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Infinite combos in Magic are awesome (if you're a Johnny). Planeswalker ultimate abilities are awesome (if you're a Timmy). Combining the two would be even more awesome. Then you could have a billion emblems from Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, or Kiora, the Crashing Wave. Because dealing a billion damage isn't as cool as doing it every time you cast a spell. And getting a billion krakens isn't as cool as getting them every turn.
What's the fewest number of cards (besides the planeswalker) that allows you to activate a planeswalker's ultimate ability an arbitrary number of times?
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Infinite combos in Magic are awesome (if you're a Johnny). Planeswalker ultimate abilities are awesome (if you're a Timmy). Combining the two would be even more awesome. Then you could have a billion emblems from Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, or Kiora, the Crashing Wave. Because dealing a billion damage isn't as cool as doing it every time you cast a spell. And getting a billion krakens isn't as cool as getting them every turn.
What's the fewest number of cards (besides the planeswalker) that allows you to activate a planeswalker's ultimate ability an arbitrary number of times?
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Infinite combos in Magic are awesome (if you're a Johnny). Planeswalker ultimate abilities are awesome (if you're a Timmy). Combining the two would be even more awesome. Then you could have a billion emblems from Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, or Kiora, the Crashing Wave. Because dealing a billion damage isn't as cool as doing it every time you cast a spell. And getting a billion krakens isn't as cool as getting them every turn.
What's the fewest number of cards (besides the planeswalker) that allows you to activate a planeswalker's ultimate ability an arbitrary number of times?
magic-the-gathering
asked 3 hours ago
Zags
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Infinite combos in Magic are awesome (if you're a Johnny). Planeswalker ultimate abilities are awesome (if you're a Timmy). Combining the two would be even more awesome. Then you could have a billion emblems from Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, or Kiora, the Crashing Wave. Because dealing a billion damage isn't as cool as doing it every time you cast a spell. And getting a billion krakens isn't as cool as getting them every turn.
What's the fewest number of cards (besides the planeswalker) that allows you to activate a planeswalker's ultimate ability an arbitrary number of times?
magic-the-gathering
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3 cards, in addition to the walker(s) you want to be hitting the ultimate of:
- Tezzeret the Seeker
- The Chain Veil
- Everflowing Chalice
Chalice needs at least 4 counters, to pay for the veil, tezzeret +1 untaps both chalice and veil allowing infinite uses of veil which resets both tezzeret and the other walker(s), letting you rebuild the + abilities on those walkers until they ultimate again and again.
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
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Plus lands to pay for them.
– Acccumulation
2 hours ago
@Andrew Good answer. Only works on planeswalkers with a +1 that doesn't kill your or your opponent though.
– Zags
1 hour ago
So, basically, those cards plust 8 mana are needed (8 mana for the 4 kicks of 2 each). With the 8 mana play chalice, use Tezzeret +1 untap chalice, produce 4 mana with chalice to pay for veil, use +1 to untap both, repeat
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33 mins ago
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The simplest combo in general is 3 cards: Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers.
Explanation
There are 3 card combos around the The Chain Veil (all you need to add is infinite mana and artifact untapping, such Astral Cornucopia with 4 counters and Filigree Sages, or the combo suggested by @Andrew). However, these combos only work for planeswalkers with a "+x" ability that won't kill either you or your opponent in the process of using them repeatedly, so it's incompatible with planeswalkers like Chandra, Bold Pyromancer, Sarkhan the Mad, and Jace Beleren.
Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and a Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers. Gilder Bairn creates infinite mana with Gemstone Array (provided you have a way to tap the Bairn) and can also pump a planeswalker to have enough counters to use its ultimate the turn it enters the battlefield. Banishing Knack provides both a way to tap the Bairn and a way to bounce and replay the planeswalker, which causes it to be a new object and thus resets the count on how many times it has used a loyalty ability this turn. In order for this to work, you need sufficient starting counters on the Gemstone Array and some cheap permanent you can cast repeatedly to bounce with the Bairn while building up infinite mana on the Gemstone Array, noting that the planeswalker you plan to play can be this permanent. The number of starting counters you need on the array to combo off is 7 + [the cost of your cheapest non-land permanent].
Special Cases
There are fewer-card combos with particular planeswalkers, the clear winner of which is 1 card plus the planeswalker: Doubling Season with Jace, Cunning Castaway.
You can also do this in Commander with 2 cards if Teferi, Temporal Archmage is your commander. All you need is The Chain Veil and Gilded Lotus on the battlefield (as well as 2 lands) and Teferi in the command zone. This works because The Chain Veil activations apply to later instances of Teferi that will be cast, so by repeatedly killing him via his "-1" ability to untap The Chain Veil and your mana sources, and replaying him from the command zone, you are gaining more mana than you are spending on the extra commander tax. As an added bonus, you get to draw your deck while doing this.
answered 3 hours ago
Zags
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Note that Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures
– Benjamin Cosman
3 hours ago
Voltaic Construct + Gilded Lotus isn't an infinite mana combo, and Voltaic Construct can't untap Chain Veil anyway.
– DenisS
3 hours ago
@BenjaminCosman Whoops; I misremebered the ability. This has been removed
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2 Answers
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3 cards, in addition to the walker(s) you want to be hitting the ultimate of:
- Tezzeret the Seeker
- The Chain Veil
- Everflowing Chalice
Chalice needs at least 4 counters, to pay for the veil, tezzeret +1 untaps both chalice and veil allowing infinite uses of veil which resets both tezzeret and the other walker(s), letting you rebuild the + abilities on those walkers until they ultimate again and again.
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
3,414327
Plus lands to pay for them.
– Acccumulation
2 hours ago
@Andrew Good answer. Only works on planeswalkers with a +1 that doesn't kill your or your opponent though.
– Zags
1 hour ago
So, basically, those cards plust 8 mana are needed (8 mana for the 4 kicks of 2 each). With the 8 mana play chalice, use Tezzeret +1 untap chalice, produce 4 mana with chalice to pay for veil, use +1 to untap both, repeat
– DarkCygnus
33 mins ago
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3 cards, in addition to the walker(s) you want to be hitting the ultimate of:
- Tezzeret the Seeker
- The Chain Veil
- Everflowing Chalice
Chalice needs at least 4 counters, to pay for the veil, tezzeret +1 untaps both chalice and veil allowing infinite uses of veil which resets both tezzeret and the other walker(s), letting you rebuild the + abilities on those walkers until they ultimate again and again.
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
3,414327
Plus lands to pay for them.
– Acccumulation
2 hours ago
@Andrew Good answer. Only works on planeswalkers with a +1 that doesn't kill your or your opponent though.
– Zags
1 hour ago
So, basically, those cards plust 8 mana are needed (8 mana for the 4 kicks of 2 each). With the 8 mana play chalice, use Tezzeret +1 untap chalice, produce 4 mana with chalice to pay for veil, use +1 to untap both, repeat
– DarkCygnus
33 mins ago
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3
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up vote
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3 cards, in addition to the walker(s) you want to be hitting the ultimate of:
- Tezzeret the Seeker
- The Chain Veil
- Everflowing Chalice
Chalice needs at least 4 counters, to pay for the veil, tezzeret +1 untaps both chalice and veil allowing infinite uses of veil which resets both tezzeret and the other walker(s), letting you rebuild the + abilities on those walkers until they ultimate again and again.
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
3,414327
3 cards, in addition to the walker(s) you want to be hitting the ultimate of:
- Tezzeret the Seeker
- The Chain Veil
- Everflowing Chalice
Chalice needs at least 4 counters, to pay for the veil, tezzeret +1 untaps both chalice and veil allowing infinite uses of veil which resets both tezzeret and the other walker(s), letting you rebuild the + abilities on those walkers until they ultimate again and again.
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
3,414327
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
3,414327
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
3,414327
answered 3 hours ago
Andrew
3,414327
3,414327
Plus lands to pay for them.
– Acccumulation
2 hours ago
@Andrew Good answer. Only works on planeswalkers with a +1 that doesn't kill your or your opponent though.
– Zags
1 hour ago
So, basically, those cards plust 8 mana are needed (8 mana for the 4 kicks of 2 each). With the 8 mana play chalice, use Tezzeret +1 untap chalice, produce 4 mana with chalice to pay for veil, use +1 to untap both, repeat
– DarkCygnus
33 mins ago
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Plus lands to pay for them.
– Acccumulation
2 hours ago
@Andrew Good answer. Only works on planeswalkers with a +1 that doesn't kill your or your opponent though.
– Zags
1 hour ago
So, basically, those cards plust 8 mana are needed (8 mana for the 4 kicks of 2 each). With the 8 mana play chalice, use Tezzeret +1 untap chalice, produce 4 mana with chalice to pay for veil, use +1 to untap both, repeat
– DarkCygnus
33 mins ago
Plus lands to pay for them.
– Acccumulation
2 hours ago
Plus lands to pay for them.
– Acccumulation
2 hours ago
@Andrew Good answer. Only works on planeswalkers with a +1 that doesn't kill your or your opponent though.
– Zags
1 hour ago
@Andrew Good answer. Only works on planeswalkers with a +1 that doesn't kill your or your opponent though.
– Zags
1 hour ago
So, basically, those cards plust 8 mana are needed (8 mana for the 4 kicks of 2 each). With the 8 mana play chalice, use Tezzeret +1 untap chalice, produce 4 mana with chalice to pay for veil, use +1 to untap both, repeat
– DarkCygnus
33 mins ago
So, basically, those cards plust 8 mana are needed (8 mana for the 4 kicks of 2 each). With the 8 mana play chalice, use Tezzeret +1 untap chalice, produce 4 mana with chalice to pay for veil, use +1 to untap both, repeat
– DarkCygnus
33 mins ago
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The simplest combo in general is 3 cards: Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers.
Explanation
There are 3 card combos around the The Chain Veil (all you need to add is infinite mana and artifact untapping, such Astral Cornucopia with 4 counters and Filigree Sages, or the combo suggested by @Andrew). However, these combos only work for planeswalkers with a "+x" ability that won't kill either you or your opponent in the process of using them repeatedly, so it's incompatible with planeswalkers like Chandra, Bold Pyromancer, Sarkhan the Mad, and Jace Beleren.
Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and a Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers. Gilder Bairn creates infinite mana with Gemstone Array (provided you have a way to tap the Bairn) and can also pump a planeswalker to have enough counters to use its ultimate the turn it enters the battlefield. Banishing Knack provides both a way to tap the Bairn and a way to bounce and replay the planeswalker, which causes it to be a new object and thus resets the count on how many times it has used a loyalty ability this turn. In order for this to work, you need sufficient starting counters on the Gemstone Array and some cheap permanent you can cast repeatedly to bounce with the Bairn while building up infinite mana on the Gemstone Array, noting that the planeswalker you plan to play can be this permanent. The number of starting counters you need on the array to combo off is 7 + [the cost of your cheapest non-land permanent].
Special Cases
There are fewer-card combos with particular planeswalkers, the clear winner of which is 1 card plus the planeswalker: Doubling Season with Jace, Cunning Castaway.
You can also do this in Commander with 2 cards if Teferi, Temporal Archmage is your commander. All you need is The Chain Veil and Gilded Lotus on the battlefield (as well as 2 lands) and Teferi in the command zone. This works because The Chain Veil activations apply to later instances of Teferi that will be cast, so by repeatedly killing him via his "-1" ability to untap The Chain Veil and your mana sources, and replaying him from the command zone, you are gaining more mana than you are spending on the extra commander tax. As an added bonus, you get to draw your deck while doing this.
answered 3 hours ago
Zags
4,05221350
Note that Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures
– Benjamin Cosman
3 hours ago
Voltaic Construct + Gilded Lotus isn't an infinite mana combo, and Voltaic Construct can't untap Chain Veil anyway.
– DenisS
3 hours ago
@BenjaminCosman Whoops; I misremebered the ability. This has been removed
– Zags
2 hours ago
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up vote
1
down vote
The simplest combo in general is 3 cards: Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers.
Explanation
There are 3 card combos around the The Chain Veil (all you need to add is infinite mana and artifact untapping, such Astral Cornucopia with 4 counters and Filigree Sages, or the combo suggested by @Andrew). However, these combos only work for planeswalkers with a "+x" ability that won't kill either you or your opponent in the process of using them repeatedly, so it's incompatible with planeswalkers like Chandra, Bold Pyromancer, Sarkhan the Mad, and Jace Beleren.
Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and a Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers. Gilder Bairn creates infinite mana with Gemstone Array (provided you have a way to tap the Bairn) and can also pump a planeswalker to have enough counters to use its ultimate the turn it enters the battlefield. Banishing Knack provides both a way to tap the Bairn and a way to bounce and replay the planeswalker, which causes it to be a new object and thus resets the count on how many times it has used a loyalty ability this turn. In order for this to work, you need sufficient starting counters on the Gemstone Array and some cheap permanent you can cast repeatedly to bounce with the Bairn while building up infinite mana on the Gemstone Array, noting that the planeswalker you plan to play can be this permanent. The number of starting counters you need on the array to combo off is 7 + [the cost of your cheapest non-land permanent].
Special Cases
There are fewer-card combos with particular planeswalkers, the clear winner of which is 1 card plus the planeswalker: Doubling Season with Jace, Cunning Castaway.
You can also do this in Commander with 2 cards if Teferi, Temporal Archmage is your commander. All you need is The Chain Veil and Gilded Lotus on the battlefield (as well as 2 lands) and Teferi in the command zone. This works because The Chain Veil activations apply to later instances of Teferi that will be cast, so by repeatedly killing him via his "-1" ability to untap The Chain Veil and your mana sources, and replaying him from the command zone, you are gaining more mana than you are spending on the extra commander tax. As an added bonus, you get to draw your deck while doing this.
answered 3 hours ago
Zags
4,05221350
Note that Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures
– Benjamin Cosman
3 hours ago
Voltaic Construct + Gilded Lotus isn't an infinite mana combo, and Voltaic Construct can't untap Chain Veil anyway.
– DenisS
3 hours ago
@BenjaminCosman Whoops; I misremebered the ability. This has been removed
– Zags
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
The simplest combo in general is 3 cards: Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers.
Explanation
There are 3 card combos around the The Chain Veil (all you need to add is infinite mana and artifact untapping, such Astral Cornucopia with 4 counters and Filigree Sages, or the combo suggested by @Andrew). However, these combos only work for planeswalkers with a "+x" ability that won't kill either you or your opponent in the process of using them repeatedly, so it's incompatible with planeswalkers like Chandra, Bold Pyromancer, Sarkhan the Mad, and Jace Beleren.
Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and a Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers. Gilder Bairn creates infinite mana with Gemstone Array (provided you have a way to tap the Bairn) and can also pump a planeswalker to have enough counters to use its ultimate the turn it enters the battlefield. Banishing Knack provides both a way to tap the Bairn and a way to bounce and replay the planeswalker, which causes it to be a new object and thus resets the count on how many times it has used a loyalty ability this turn. In order for this to work, you need sufficient starting counters on the Gemstone Array and some cheap permanent you can cast repeatedly to bounce with the Bairn while building up infinite mana on the Gemstone Array, noting that the planeswalker you plan to play can be this permanent. The number of starting counters you need on the array to combo off is 7 + [the cost of your cheapest non-land permanent].
Special Cases
There are fewer-card combos with particular planeswalkers, the clear winner of which is 1 card plus the planeswalker: Doubling Season with Jace, Cunning Castaway.
You can also do this in Commander with 2 cards if Teferi, Temporal Archmage is your commander. All you need is The Chain Veil and Gilded Lotus on the battlefield (as well as 2 lands) and Teferi in the command zone. This works because The Chain Veil activations apply to later instances of Teferi that will be cast, so by repeatedly killing him via his "-1" ability to untap The Chain Veil and your mana sources, and replaying him from the command zone, you are gaining more mana than you are spending on the extra commander tax. As an added bonus, you get to draw your deck while doing this.
answered 3 hours ago
Zags
4,05221350
The simplest combo in general is 3 cards: Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers.
Explanation
There are 3 card combos around the The Chain Veil (all you need to add is infinite mana and artifact untapping, such Astral Cornucopia with 4 counters and Filigree Sages, or the combo suggested by @Andrew). However, these combos only work for planeswalkers with a "+x" ability that won't kill either you or your opponent in the process of using them repeatedly, so it's incompatible with planeswalkers like Chandra, Bold Pyromancer, Sarkhan the Mad, and Jace Beleren.
Gilder Bairn, Banishing Knack, and a Gemstone Array works for all planeswalkers. Gilder Bairn creates infinite mana with Gemstone Array (provided you have a way to tap the Bairn) and can also pump a planeswalker to have enough counters to use its ultimate the turn it enters the battlefield. Banishing Knack provides both a way to tap the Bairn and a way to bounce and replay the planeswalker, which causes it to be a new object and thus resets the count on how many times it has used a loyalty ability this turn. In order for this to work, you need sufficient starting counters on the Gemstone Array and some cheap permanent you can cast repeatedly to bounce with the Bairn while building up infinite mana on the Gemstone Array, noting that the planeswalker you plan to play can be this permanent. The number of starting counters you need on the array to combo off is 7 + [the cost of your cheapest non-land permanent].
Special Cases
There are fewer-card combos with particular planeswalkers, the clear winner of which is 1 card plus the planeswalker: Doubling Season with Jace, Cunning Castaway.
You can also do this in Commander with 2 cards if Teferi, Temporal Archmage is your commander. All you need is The Chain Veil and Gilded Lotus on the battlefield (as well as 2 lands) and Teferi in the command zone. This works because The Chain Veil activations apply to later instances of Teferi that will be cast, so by repeatedly killing him via his "-1" ability to untap The Chain Veil and your mana sources, and replaying him from the command zone, you are gaining more mana than you are spending on the extra commander tax. As an added bonus, you get to draw your deck while doing this.
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Note that Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures
– Benjamin Cosman
3 hours ago
Voltaic Construct + Gilded Lotus isn't an infinite mana combo, and Voltaic Construct can't untap Chain Veil anyway.
– DenisS
3 hours ago
@BenjaminCosman Whoops; I misremebered the ability. This has been removed
– Zags
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
Note that Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures
– Benjamin Cosman
3 hours ago
Voltaic Construct + Gilded Lotus isn't an infinite mana combo, and Voltaic Construct can't untap Chain Veil anyway.
– DenisS
3 hours ago
@BenjaminCosman Whoops; I misremebered the ability. This has been removed
– Zags
2 hours ago
Note that Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures
– Benjamin Cosman
3 hours ago
Note that Voltaic Construct only untaps artifact creatures
– Benjamin Cosman
3 hours ago
Voltaic Construct + Gilded Lotus isn't an infinite mana combo, and Voltaic Construct can't untap Chain Veil anyway.
– DenisS
3 hours ago
Voltaic Construct + Gilded Lotus isn't an infinite mana combo, and Voltaic Construct can't untap Chain Veil anyway.
– DenisS
3 hours ago
@BenjaminCosman Whoops; I misremebered the ability. This has been removed
– Zags
2 hours ago
@BenjaminCosman Whoops; I misremebered the ability. This has been removed
– Zags
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
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