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よㆠafter (negated) short form of verb
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In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よã†ã€Â万全ã®注æ„Âを払ã£ãŸ。
I assume èµ·ã“ã•ãªã„よㆠis the negative short form of èµ·ã“ã™ followed by よã†. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, よㆠfollowing the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
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In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よã†ã€Â万全ã®注æ„Âを払ã£ãŸ。
I assume èµ·ã“ã•ãªã„よㆠis the negative short form of èµ·ã“ã™ followed by よã†. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, よㆠfollowing the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
grammar meaning
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Stephane C
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What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
– Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ã“ã—ã¾ã›ん.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
– Locksleyu
3 hours ago
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In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よã†ã€Â万全ã®注æ„Âを払ã£ãŸ。
I assume èµ·ã“ã•ãªã„よㆠis the negative short form of èµ·ã“ã™ followed by よã†. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, よㆠfollowing the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
grammar meaning
asked 3 hours ago
Stephane C
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In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よã†ã€Â万全ã®注æ„Âを払ã£ãŸ。
I assume èµ·ã“ã•ãªã„よㆠis the negative short form of èµ·ã“ã™ followed by よã†. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, よㆠfollowing the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
grammar meaning
grammar meaning
asked 3 hours ago
Stephane C
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asked 3 hours ago
Stephane C
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asked 3 hours ago
Stephane C
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Stephane C
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Stephane C
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What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
– Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ã“ã—ã¾ã›ん.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
– Locksleyu
3 hours ago
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What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
– Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ã“ã—ã¾ã›ん.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
– Locksleyu
3 hours ago
What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
– Leebo
3 hours ago
What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
– Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ã“ã—ã¾ã›ん.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ã“ã—ã¾ã›ん.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
– Locksleyu
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
– Locksleyu
3 hours ago
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I always assumed this was the same as よã†ã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
answered 3 hours ago
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That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for 「よã†〠or 「よã†ã«〠to mean 'so that'."
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
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@StephaneC Using simply よㆠrather than よã†ã« is a little more formal.
– Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
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“よㆆindicates purposes, and it’s directly translated as “so as to~â€Â.
In the sentence “事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よ㆓, “起ã“ã•ãªã„†is the negative form of “起ã“㙓, followed by “ãªã„(means “notâ€Â).
The following word â€Âよㆆmeans “so as toâ€Â.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as “so as not to cause an accidentâ€Â.
To say “so as not to do somethingâ€Â, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by “ãªã„“, and put “よ㆓ at the end.
For example,
風邪を***ã²ã‹ãªã„よã†***ã€Â気を付ã‘ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試験ã§***失敗ã—ãªã„よã†***ã€ÂãŸãÂÂã•ん勉強ã—ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
“よ㆓ sounds quite polite and formal, so “よã†ãǠis more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
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2 Answers
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active
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up vote
2
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accepted
I always assumed this was the same as よã†ã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
answered 3 hours ago
ignorantFid
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That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for 「よã†〠or 「よã†ã«〠to mean 'so that'."
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply よㆠrather than よã†ã« is a little more formal.
– Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
I always assumed this was the same as よã†ã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
answered 3 hours ago
ignorantFid
1,392921
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for 「よã†〠or 「よã†ã«〠to mean 'so that'."
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply よㆠrather than よã†ã« is a little more formal.
– Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
I always assumed this was the same as よã†ã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
answered 3 hours ago
ignorantFid
1,392921
I always assumed this was the same as よã†ã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
answered 3 hours ago
ignorantFid
1,392921
answered 3 hours ago
ignorantFid
1,392921
answered 3 hours ago
ignorantFid
1,392921
answered 3 hours ago
ignorantFid
1,392921
1,392921
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for 「よã†〠or 「よã†ã«〠to mean 'so that'."
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply よㆠrather than よã†ã« is a little more formal.
– Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for 「よã†〠or 「よã†ã«〠to mean 'so that'."
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply よㆠrather than よã†ã« is a little more formal.
– Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for 「よã†〠or 「よã†ã«〠to mean 'so that'."
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for 「よã†〠or 「よã†ã«〠to mean 'so that'."
– ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
2
@StephaneC Using simply よㆠrather than よã†ã« is a little more formal.
– Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
@StephaneC Using simply よㆠrather than よã†ã« is a little more formal.
– Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
“よㆆindicates purposes, and it’s directly translated as “so as to~â€Â.
In the sentence “事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よ㆓, “起ã“ã•ãªã„†is the negative form of “起ã“㙓, followed by “ãªã„(means “notâ€Â).
The following word â€Âよㆆmeans “so as toâ€Â.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as “so as not to cause an accidentâ€Â.
To say “so as not to do somethingâ€Â, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by “ãªã„“, and put “よ㆓ at the end.
For example,
風邪を***ã²ã‹ãªã„よã†***ã€Â気を付ã‘ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試験ã§***失敗ã—ãªã„よã†***ã€ÂãŸãÂÂã•ん勉強ã—ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
“よ㆓ sounds quite polite and formal, so “よã†ãǠis more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
answered 21 mins ago
Kana
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“よㆆindicates purposes, and it’s directly translated as “so as to~â€Â.
In the sentence “事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よ㆓, “起ã“ã•ãªã„†is the negative form of “起ã“㙓, followed by “ãªã„(means “notâ€Â).
The following word â€Âよㆆmeans “so as toâ€Â.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as “so as not to cause an accidentâ€Â.
To say “so as not to do somethingâ€Â, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by “ãªã„“, and put “よ㆓ at the end.
For example,
風邪を***ã²ã‹ãªã„よã†***ã€Â気を付ã‘ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試験ã§***失敗ã—ãªã„よã†***ã€ÂãŸãÂÂã•ん勉強ã—ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
“よ㆓ sounds quite polite and formal, so “よã†ãǠis more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
answered 21 mins ago
Kana
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up vote
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“よㆆindicates purposes, and it’s directly translated as “so as to~â€Â.
In the sentence “事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よ㆓, “起ã“ã•ãªã„†is the negative form of “起ã“㙓, followed by “ãªã„(means “notâ€Â).
The following word â€Âよㆆmeans “so as toâ€Â.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as “so as not to cause an accidentâ€Â.
To say “so as not to do somethingâ€Â, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by “ãªã„“, and put “よ㆓ at the end.
For example,
風邪を***ã²ã‹ãªã„よã†***ã€Â気を付ã‘ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試験ã§***失敗ã—ãªã„よã†***ã€ÂãŸãÂÂã•ん勉強ã—ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
“よ㆓ sounds quite polite and formal, so “よã†ãǠis more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
answered 21 mins ago
Kana
113
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“よㆆindicates purposes, and it’s directly translated as “so as to~â€Â.
In the sentence “事故を起ã“ã•ãªã„よ㆓, “起ã“ã•ãªã„†is the negative form of “起ã“㙓, followed by “ãªã„(means “notâ€Â).
The following word â€Âよㆆmeans “so as toâ€Â.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as “so as not to cause an accidentâ€Â.
To say “so as not to do somethingâ€Â, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by “ãªã„“, and put “よ㆓ at the end.
For example,
風邪を***ã²ã‹ãªã„よã†***ã€Â気を付ã‘ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試験ã§***失敗ã—ãªã„よã†***ã€ÂãŸãÂÂã•ん勉強ã—ã¦下ã•ã„。
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
“よ㆓ sounds quite polite and formal, so “よã†ãǠis more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
answered 21 mins ago
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What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
– Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ã“ã—ã¾ã›ん.
– Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
– Locksleyu
3 hours ago