ãÂÂã after (negated) short form of verb
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In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
äºÂæ ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂä¸Âå ¨ã®注æÂÂãÂÂæÂÂã£ãÂÂãÂÂ
I assume èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂã is the negative short form of èµ·ãÂÂã followed by ãÂÂãÂÂ. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, ãÂÂã following the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
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In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
äºÂæ ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂä¸Âå ¨ã®注æÂÂãÂÂæÂÂã£ãÂÂãÂÂ
I assume èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂã is the negative short form of èµ·ãÂÂã followed by ãÂÂãÂÂ. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, ãÂÂã following the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
grammar meaning
What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
â Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂã¾ãÂÂãÂÂ.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
â Locksleyu
3 hours ago
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In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
äºÂæ ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂä¸Âå ¨ã®注æÂÂãÂÂæÂÂã£ãÂÂãÂÂ
I assume èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂã is the negative short form of èµ·ãÂÂã followed by ãÂÂãÂÂ. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, ãÂÂã following the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
grammar meaning
In the sentence (found in Kanji in Context's workbook)
äºÂæ ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂä¸Âå ¨ã®注æÂÂãÂÂæÂÂã£ãÂÂãÂÂ
I assume èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂã is the negative short form of èµ·ãÂÂã followed by ãÂÂãÂÂ. But I can't find an explanation, or other occurrences, of such a construct. According to google's translation tool, the sentence means something like
I paid perfect attention so as not to cause an accident.
So, ãÂÂã following the short form of a verb indicates goal/purpose? Is that correct? If so, could you point me to a reference, or to other occurrences?
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What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
â Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂã¾ãÂÂãÂÂ.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
â Locksleyu
3 hours ago
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What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
â Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂã¾ãÂÂãÂÂ.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
â Locksleyu
3 hours ago
What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
â Leebo
3 hours ago
What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
â Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂã¾ãÂÂãÂÂ.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂã¾ãÂÂãÂÂ.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
â Locksleyu
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
â Locksleyu
3 hours ago
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I always assumed this was the same as ãÂÂãÂÂã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«ã to mean 'so that'."
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
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@StephaneC Using simply ãÂÂã rather than ãÂÂãÂÂã« is a little more formal.
â Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
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âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ indicates purposes, and itâÂÂs directly translated as âÂÂso as to~âÂÂ.
In the sentence âÂÂäºÂæÂÂ
ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂâ is the negative form of âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂ(means âÂÂnotâÂÂ).
The following word âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ means âÂÂso as toâÂÂ.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as âÂÂso as not to cause an accidentâÂÂ.
To say âÂÂso as not to do somethingâÂÂ, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂâÂÂ, and put âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ at the end.
For example,
風éªãÂÂ***ã²ãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂæ°ÂãÂÂä»ÂãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試é¨Âã§***失æÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂÃ¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ sounds quite polite and formal, so âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«â is more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
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I always assumed this was the same as ãÂÂãÂÂã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«ã to mean 'so that'."
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply ãÂÂã rather than ãÂÂãÂÂã« is a little more formal.
â Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
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up vote
2
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I always assumed this was the same as ãÂÂãÂÂã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«ã to mean 'so that'."
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply ãÂÂã rather than ãÂÂãÂÂã« is a little more formal.
â Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
I always assumed this was the same as ãÂÂãÂÂã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
I always assumed this was the same as ãÂÂãÂÂã«
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n3-grammar-%E3%82%88%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB-you-ni/
answered 3 hours ago
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That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«ã to mean 'so that'."
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply ãÂÂã rather than ãÂÂãÂÂã« is a little more formal.
â Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«ã to mean 'so that'."
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
@StephaneC Using simply ãÂÂã rather than ãÂÂãÂÂã« is a little more formal.
â Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
That would work nicely, indeed. I see nowhere mention of ã« being optional, though... Could it be that I'm obsessing over a typo? As I just started working on it, I don't know how frequent typos are in this book.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
I don't think it's a typo, I think the ã« is optional.
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
The answer to this question strengthens your point.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«ã to mean 'so that'."
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
Yes, I saw that too. L'electeur's answer doesn't directly address this question, but it happens to say "...it takes the right context, namely at least two mini-sentences, for ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«ã to mean 'so that'."
â ignorantFid
3 hours ago
2
2
@StephaneC Using simply ãÂÂã rather than ãÂÂãÂÂã« is a little more formal.
â Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
@StephaneC Using simply ãÂÂã rather than ãÂÂãÂÂã« is a little more formal.
â Aeon Akechi
2 hours ago
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âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ indicates purposes, and itâÂÂs directly translated as âÂÂso as to~âÂÂ.
In the sentence âÂÂäºÂæÂÂ
ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂâ is the negative form of âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂ(means âÂÂnotâÂÂ).
The following word âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ means âÂÂso as toâÂÂ.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as âÂÂso as not to cause an accidentâÂÂ.
To say âÂÂso as not to do somethingâÂÂ, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂâÂÂ, and put âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ at the end.
For example,
風éªãÂÂ***ã²ãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂæ°ÂãÂÂä»ÂãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試é¨Âã§***失æÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂÃ¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ sounds quite polite and formal, so âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«â is more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
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âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ indicates purposes, and itâÂÂs directly translated as âÂÂso as to~âÂÂ.
In the sentence âÂÂäºÂæÂÂ
ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂâ is the negative form of âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂ(means âÂÂnotâÂÂ).
The following word âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ means âÂÂso as toâÂÂ.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as âÂÂso as not to cause an accidentâÂÂ.
To say âÂÂso as not to do somethingâÂÂ, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂâÂÂ, and put âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ at the end.
For example,
風éªãÂÂ***ã²ãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂæ°ÂãÂÂä»ÂãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試é¨Âã§***失æÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂÃ¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ sounds quite polite and formal, so âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«â is more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
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âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ indicates purposes, and itâÂÂs directly translated as âÂÂso as to~âÂÂ.
In the sentence âÂÂäºÂæÂÂ
ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂâ is the negative form of âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂ(means âÂÂnotâÂÂ).
The following word âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ means âÂÂso as toâÂÂ.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as âÂÂso as not to cause an accidentâÂÂ.
To say âÂÂso as not to do somethingâÂÂ, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂâÂÂ, and put âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ at the end.
For example,
風éªãÂÂ***ã²ãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂæ°ÂãÂÂä»ÂãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試é¨Âã§***失æÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂÃ¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ sounds quite polite and formal, so âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«â is more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
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âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ indicates purposes, and itâÂÂs directly translated as âÂÂso as to~âÂÂ.
In the sentence âÂÂäºÂæÂÂ
ãÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂâ is the negative form of âÂÂèµ·ãÂÂãÂÂâÂÂ, followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂ(means âÂÂnotâÂÂ).
The following word âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ means âÂÂso as toâÂÂ.
So, the sentence as a whole is translated as âÂÂso as not to cause an accidentâÂÂ.
To say âÂÂso as not to do somethingâÂÂ, you can say the negative form of any verb followed by âÂÂãªãÂÂâÂÂ, and put âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ at the end.
For example,
風éªãÂÂ***ã²ãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂæ°ÂãÂÂä»ÂãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to catch a cold, please take care of yourself.試é¨Âã§***失æÂÂãÂÂãªãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ***ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂÃ¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ä¸ÂãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ
=So as not to fail in the exam, please study a lot.
âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂâ sounds quite polite and formal, so âÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã«â is more common to be used in conversations ( both words have exactly the same meaning ).
Hope it helps!
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What do you mean by "negative short form"? What would be the "long form"?
â Leebo
3 hours ago
Maybe I should have said "dictionary form". The long form would be èµ·ãÂÂãÂÂã¾ãÂÂãÂÂ.
â Stephane C
3 hours ago
I've heard this form many times so I believe it is commonly used, and definitely not a mistake. Unfortunately I don't have a formal reference to prove it at the moment.
â Locksleyu
3 hours ago