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From what I know, you can use a Spell Scroll if the spell is on your class's list.
Rangers gain the Spellcasting feature at second level (getting spell slots to cast 1st level spells at that point), but they are technically Rangers already at level 1.
So, could a level 1 Ranger cast spells from Ranger spell scrolls ? (if so, I suppose he would need to roll even for first level Ranger spell scrolls)
The answer to this question also applies for level 1 Paladins.
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From what I know, you can use a Spell Scroll if the spell is on your class's list.
Rangers gain the Spellcasting feature at second level (getting spell slots to cast 1st level spells at that point), but they are technically Rangers already at level 1.
So, could a level 1 Ranger cast spells from Ranger spell scrolls ? (if so, I suppose he would need to roll even for first level Ranger spell scrolls)
The answer to this question also applies for level 1 Paladins.
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From what I know, you can use a Spell Scroll if the spell is on your class's list.
Rangers gain the Spellcasting feature at second level (getting spell slots to cast 1st level spells at that point), but they are technically Rangers already at level 1.
So, could a level 1 Ranger cast spells from Ranger spell scrolls ? (if so, I suppose he would need to roll even for first level Ranger spell scrolls)
The answer to this question also applies for level 1 Paladins.
dnd-5e spells magic-items class-feature ranger
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Gael L
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From what I know, you can use a Spell Scroll if the spell is on your class's list.
Rangers gain the Spellcasting feature at second level (getting spell slots to cast 1st level spells at that point), but they are technically Rangers already at level 1.
So, could a level 1 Ranger cast spells from Ranger spell scrolls ? (if so, I suppose he would need to roll even for first level Ranger spell scrolls)
The answer to this question also applies for level 1 Paladins.
dnd-5e spells magic-items class-feature ranger
dnd-5e spells magic-items class-feature ranger
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Yes, but the Ranger must pass an ability check to cast the spell
Spell Scroll
A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a
mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can
read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material
components. (SRD, V 5.1, p. 242. DMG p. 200)
That's the constraint; is it on my class spell list? But here's the kicker:
If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.
At level 1, you can't normally cast a level 1 spell. Therefore, the Ranger must pass (DC = 11) ability check for a level 1 spell to be cast from the scroll. (And DC = 12 for a 2d level scroll spell, etc)
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That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation !
– Gael L
1 hour ago
@GaelL I can see an argument for "no" since one can argue that the paladin or ranger has not yet 'unlocked' spell casting, but I think RAW supports my position here.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
That's what I was thinking as well - it may be worth including the potential "no" reasoning to close the loop. Not yet being a spellcaster may mean not having a spell list yet.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
@NautArch Note however the class features text for ranger and paladin. What you get at level 2 is Spell Slots. Spell casting ability, Wisdom, comes before the other features that are laid out in sequential order.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
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That's a fair analysis, but still a logical leap. Just thought it might be worth including this potential issue in your answer, but it's your call.
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It's possible, but there's a reason why it's not.
The answer posited by KorvinStarmast gives great reasons as to why it may be possible and is well supported with regard to Rangers having a spell list in general.
No Spellcasting Ability, no spellcasting
But there is another, equally valid, way of looking at it was well in that the Spellcasting Ability is not yet active for a Ranger until Level 2:
By the time you reach 2nd level, you have learned to use the magical essence of nature to cast spells...
This implies that until Level 2, there is no spellcasting ability - and without that ability there is no way to cast a spell because you don't have access yet to that Ranger list of spells. No ability=No List access
Since at Level 1, you are not yet a caster and do not have access to the spell list, then there is no way you can cast a spell.
Up to the DM
Ultimately, this can be a DM call. There's good reasoning either way and whatever you feel makes sense, can make sense.
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Yes, but the Ranger must pass an ability check to cast the spell
Spell Scroll
A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a
mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can
read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material
components. (SRD, V 5.1, p. 242. DMG p. 200)
That's the constraint; is it on my class spell list? But here's the kicker:
If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.
At level 1, you can't normally cast a level 1 spell. Therefore, the Ranger must pass (DC = 11) ability check for a level 1 spell to be cast from the scroll. (And DC = 12 for a 2d level scroll spell, etc)
answered 1 hour ago
KorvinStarmast
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That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation !
– Gael L
1 hour ago
@GaelL I can see an argument for "no" since one can argue that the paladin or ranger has not yet 'unlocked' spell casting, but I think RAW supports my position here.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
That's what I was thinking as well - it may be worth including the potential "no" reasoning to close the loop. Not yet being a spellcaster may mean not having a spell list yet.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
@NautArch Note however the class features text for ranger and paladin. What you get at level 2 is Spell Slots. Spell casting ability, Wisdom, comes before the other features that are laid out in sequential order.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
1
That's a fair analysis, but still a logical leap. Just thought it might be worth including this potential issue in your answer, but it's your call.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
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Yes, but the Ranger must pass an ability check to cast the spell
Spell Scroll
A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a
mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can
read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material
components. (SRD, V 5.1, p. 242. DMG p. 200)
That's the constraint; is it on my class spell list? But here's the kicker:
If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.
At level 1, you can't normally cast a level 1 spell. Therefore, the Ranger must pass (DC = 11) ability check for a level 1 spell to be cast from the scroll. (And DC = 12 for a 2d level scroll spell, etc)
answered 1 hour ago
KorvinStarmast
66.4k15206365
That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation !
– Gael L
1 hour ago
@GaelL I can see an argument for "no" since one can argue that the paladin or ranger has not yet 'unlocked' spell casting, but I think RAW supports my position here.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
That's what I was thinking as well - it may be worth including the potential "no" reasoning to close the loop. Not yet being a spellcaster may mean not having a spell list yet.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
@NautArch Note however the class features text for ranger and paladin. What you get at level 2 is Spell Slots. Spell casting ability, Wisdom, comes before the other features that are laid out in sequential order.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
1
That's a fair analysis, but still a logical leap. Just thought it might be worth including this potential issue in your answer, but it's your call.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
up vote
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up vote
8
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Yes, but the Ranger must pass an ability check to cast the spell
Spell Scroll
A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a
mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can
read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material
components. (SRD, V 5.1, p. 242. DMG p. 200)
That's the constraint; is it on my class spell list? But here's the kicker:
If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.
At level 1, you can't normally cast a level 1 spell. Therefore, the Ranger must pass (DC = 11) ability check for a level 1 spell to be cast from the scroll. (And DC = 12 for a 2d level scroll spell, etc)
answered 1 hour ago
KorvinStarmast
66.4k15206365
Yes, but the Ranger must pass an ability check to cast the spell
Spell Scroll
A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a
mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can
read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material
components. (SRD, V 5.1, p. 242. DMG p. 200)
That's the constraint; is it on my class spell list? But here's the kicker:
If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.
At level 1, you can't normally cast a level 1 spell. Therefore, the Ranger must pass (DC = 11) ability check for a level 1 spell to be cast from the scroll. (And DC = 12 for a 2d level scroll spell, etc)
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That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation !
– Gael L
1 hour ago
@GaelL I can see an argument for "no" since one can argue that the paladin or ranger has not yet 'unlocked' spell casting, but I think RAW supports my position here.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
That's what I was thinking as well - it may be worth including the potential "no" reasoning to close the loop. Not yet being a spellcaster may mean not having a spell list yet.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
@NautArch Note however the class features text for ranger and paladin. What you get at level 2 is Spell Slots. Spell casting ability, Wisdom, comes before the other features that are laid out in sequential order.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
1
That's a fair analysis, but still a logical leap. Just thought it might be worth including this potential issue in your answer, but it's your call.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation !
– Gael L
1 hour ago
@GaelL I can see an argument for "no" since one can argue that the paladin or ranger has not yet 'unlocked' spell casting, but I think RAW supports my position here.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
That's what I was thinking as well - it may be worth including the potential "no" reasoning to close the loop. Not yet being a spellcaster may mean not having a spell list yet.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
@NautArch Note however the class features text for ranger and paladin. What you get at level 2 is Spell Slots. Spell casting ability, Wisdom, comes before the other features that are laid out in sequential order.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
1
That's a fair analysis, but still a logical leap. Just thought it might be worth including this potential issue in your answer, but it's your call.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation !
– Gael L
1 hour ago
That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation !
– Gael L
1 hour ago
@GaelL I can see an argument for "no" since one can argue that the paladin or ranger has not yet 'unlocked' spell casting, but I think RAW supports my position here.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
@GaelL I can see an argument for "no" since one can argue that the paladin or ranger has not yet 'unlocked' spell casting, but I think RAW supports my position here.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
That's what I was thinking as well - it may be worth including the potential "no" reasoning to close the loop. Not yet being a spellcaster may mean not having a spell list yet.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
That's what I was thinking as well - it may be worth including the potential "no" reasoning to close the loop. Not yet being a spellcaster may mean not having a spell list yet.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
@NautArch Note however the class features text for ranger and paladin. What you get at level 2 is Spell Slots. Spell casting ability, Wisdom, comes before the other features that are laid out in sequential order.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
@NautArch Note however the class features text for ranger and paladin. What you get at level 2 is Spell Slots. Spell casting ability, Wisdom, comes before the other features that are laid out in sequential order.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
1
1
That's a fair analysis, but still a logical leap. Just thought it might be worth including this potential issue in your answer, but it's your call.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
That's a fair analysis, but still a logical leap. Just thought it might be worth including this potential issue in your answer, but it's your call.
– NautArch
1 hour ago
 |Â
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2
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It's possible, but there's a reason why it's not.
The answer posited by KorvinStarmast gives great reasons as to why it may be possible and is well supported with regard to Rangers having a spell list in general.
No Spellcasting Ability, no spellcasting
But there is another, equally valid, way of looking at it was well in that the Spellcasting Ability is not yet active for a Ranger until Level 2:
By the time you reach 2nd level, you have learned to use the magical essence of nature to cast spells...
This implies that until Level 2, there is no spellcasting ability - and without that ability there is no way to cast a spell because you don't have access yet to that Ranger list of spells. No ability=No List access
Since at Level 1, you are not yet a caster and do not have access to the spell list, then there is no way you can cast a spell.
Up to the DM
Ultimately, this can be a DM call. There's good reasoning either way and whatever you feel makes sense, can make sense.
answered 10 mins ago
NautArch
44.6k6160307
Hmmmm, this seems like the best answer.
– Gael L
49 secs ago
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up vote
2
down vote
It's possible, but there's a reason why it's not.
The answer posited by KorvinStarmast gives great reasons as to why it may be possible and is well supported with regard to Rangers having a spell list in general.
No Spellcasting Ability, no spellcasting
But there is another, equally valid, way of looking at it was well in that the Spellcasting Ability is not yet active for a Ranger until Level 2:
By the time you reach 2nd level, you have learned to use the magical essence of nature to cast spells...
This implies that until Level 2, there is no spellcasting ability - and without that ability there is no way to cast a spell because you don't have access yet to that Ranger list of spells. No ability=No List access
Since at Level 1, you are not yet a caster and do not have access to the spell list, then there is no way you can cast a spell.
Up to the DM
Ultimately, this can be a DM call. There's good reasoning either way and whatever you feel makes sense, can make sense.
answered 10 mins ago
NautArch
44.6k6160307
Hmmmm, this seems like the best answer.
– Gael L
49 secs ago
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up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
It's possible, but there's a reason why it's not.
The answer posited by KorvinStarmast gives great reasons as to why it may be possible and is well supported with regard to Rangers having a spell list in general.
No Spellcasting Ability, no spellcasting
But there is another, equally valid, way of looking at it was well in that the Spellcasting Ability is not yet active for a Ranger until Level 2:
By the time you reach 2nd level, you have learned to use the magical essence of nature to cast spells...
This implies that until Level 2, there is no spellcasting ability - and without that ability there is no way to cast a spell because you don't have access yet to that Ranger list of spells. No ability=No List access
Since at Level 1, you are not yet a caster and do not have access to the spell list, then there is no way you can cast a spell.
Up to the DM
Ultimately, this can be a DM call. There's good reasoning either way and whatever you feel makes sense, can make sense.
answered 10 mins ago
NautArch
44.6k6160307
It's possible, but there's a reason why it's not.
The answer posited by KorvinStarmast gives great reasons as to why it may be possible and is well supported with regard to Rangers having a spell list in general.
No Spellcasting Ability, no spellcasting
But there is another, equally valid, way of looking at it was well in that the Spellcasting Ability is not yet active for a Ranger until Level 2:
By the time you reach 2nd level, you have learned to use the magical essence of nature to cast spells...
This implies that until Level 2, there is no spellcasting ability - and without that ability there is no way to cast a spell because you don't have access yet to that Ranger list of spells. No ability=No List access
Since at Level 1, you are not yet a caster and do not have access to the spell list, then there is no way you can cast a spell.
Up to the DM
Ultimately, this can be a DM call. There's good reasoning either way and whatever you feel makes sense, can make sense.
answered 10 mins ago
NautArch
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NautArch
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NautArch
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Hmmmm, this seems like the best answer.
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Hmmmm, this seems like the best answer.
– Gael L
49 secs ago
Hmmmm, this seems like the best answer.
– Gael L
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Hmmmm, this seems like the best answer.
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