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I’ve come across some German badges, medals & awards etc but I’m struggling to identify this one.
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I’ve come across some German badges, medals & awards etc but I’m struggling to identify this one.
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world-war-two identification german
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According to the site unionemilitare.com, this is an
DISTINTIVO CONVEGNO ITALO-TEDESCO, ROMA MAGGIO 1938.
Translation: ITALIAN-GERMAN CONFERENCE (or MEETING) BADGE, ROME MAY 1938.
The site has a badge very similar to yours:
The site provides the following additional information:
Distintivo smaltato e numerato assegnato agli organizzatori del
Convegno Nazionale Bande Cori Fisarmoniche Danzatori Popolari
organizzato a Roma - p.zza di Siena - nel maggio del 1938 ( XVI E.F.)
dall'O.N.D. (Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro) e dal P.N.F. Il distintivo fu
realizzato in ottone e "smalto livellato" dalla ditta " Castelli
Cerosa S.A." di Milano...
Translation: Enameled and numbered badge assigned to the organizers of the National Convention Bande Cori Accordion Folk Dancers organized in Rome - Piazza di Siena - in May 1938 (XVI EF) from the UN (National Opera Dopolavoro) and the PNF The badge was made of brass and "level glaze" from the company "Castelli Cerosa SA" of Milan
For the letters on the badge:
- PNF stands for Partito Nazionale Fascista, (National Fascist Party)
- OND stands for Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro (National Recreational
Club), "the Italian Fascist leisure and recreational organization for
adults."
The performance took place during a state visit to Italy by Hitler, starting May 3rd 1938 and lasting 6 days. Hitler visited Naples on the 5th and went to Florence on the 9th but seems to have spent the rest of the time in Rome.
Confirming the meaning of Cri 114 (OPs picture) and D 174 is difficult. As there is also a badge B.A. 21 (see this forum in Italian for image), it is possible Cri = Cori (choirs), D = Danzatore (dancers) and B.A. = Bande Accordion. However, I can find no solid evidence to confirm this.
answered 2 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
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@MarkC.Wallace I've only found speculation on this so far, still trying to dig this up. Someone did contact the manufacturer about this but it appears they never got a reply. My guess is different groups of singers / performers were assigned different letters, with the numbers being for each individual in that group - but that's only a guess (so it stays as a comment for now).
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Those numbering appear to be stamped subsequent to manufacture, as the characters are slightly mis-aligned. (The "4" above is crooked, and the 1 and 7 are off alignment.) My best guess is that they are seating assignments stamped by hand on the medals by the organizers after delivery. That would also explain why the manufacturer cannot answer the question.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
Another possibility: If the "D" is for Deutschland, the "ri" of "Cri" could stand for "Regno d'Italia", Italian for "Kingdom of Italy". I haven't figured out what the "C" would stand for in that case.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
@PieterGeerkens I'm thinking Cri = Cori, B.A. = Bande Accordion, D = Danzatore.
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Ah! "Choir(s)", "Accordion Band", "Dancers". Very good. I love Google Translate
– Pieter Geerkens
58 mins ago
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According to the site unionemilitare.com, this is an
DISTINTIVO CONVEGNO ITALO-TEDESCO, ROMA MAGGIO 1938.
Translation: ITALIAN-GERMAN CONFERENCE (or MEETING) BADGE, ROME MAY 1938.
The site has a badge very similar to yours:
The site provides the following additional information:
Distintivo smaltato e numerato assegnato agli organizzatori del
Convegno Nazionale Bande Cori Fisarmoniche Danzatori Popolari
organizzato a Roma - p.zza di Siena - nel maggio del 1938 ( XVI E.F.)
dall'O.N.D. (Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro) e dal P.N.F. Il distintivo fu
realizzato in ottone e "smalto livellato" dalla ditta " Castelli
Cerosa S.A." di Milano...
Translation: Enameled and numbered badge assigned to the organizers of the National Convention Bande Cori Accordion Folk Dancers organized in Rome - Piazza di Siena - in May 1938 (XVI EF) from the UN (National Opera Dopolavoro) and the PNF The badge was made of brass and "level glaze" from the company "Castelli Cerosa SA" of Milan
For the letters on the badge:
- PNF stands for Partito Nazionale Fascista, (National Fascist Party)
- OND stands for Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro (National Recreational
Club), "the Italian Fascist leisure and recreational organization for
adults."
The performance took place during a state visit to Italy by Hitler, starting May 3rd 1938 and lasting 6 days. Hitler visited Naples on the 5th and went to Florence on the 9th but seems to have spent the rest of the time in Rome.
Confirming the meaning of Cri 114 (OPs picture) and D 174 is difficult. As there is also a badge B.A. 21 (see this forum in Italian for image), it is possible Cri = Cori (choirs), D = Danzatore (dancers) and B.A. = Bande Accordion. However, I can find no solid evidence to confirm this.
answered 2 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
28.8k7145199
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@MarkC.Wallace I've only found speculation on this so far, still trying to dig this up. Someone did contact the manufacturer about this but it appears they never got a reply. My guess is different groups of singers / performers were assigned different letters, with the numbers being for each individual in that group - but that's only a guess (so it stays as a comment for now).
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Those numbering appear to be stamped subsequent to manufacture, as the characters are slightly mis-aligned. (The "4" above is crooked, and the 1 and 7 are off alignment.) My best guess is that they are seating assignments stamped by hand on the medals by the organizers after delivery. That would also explain why the manufacturer cannot answer the question.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
Another possibility: If the "D" is for Deutschland, the "ri" of "Cri" could stand for "Regno d'Italia", Italian for "Kingdom of Italy". I haven't figured out what the "C" would stand for in that case.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
@PieterGeerkens I'm thinking Cri = Cori, B.A. = Bande Accordion, D = Danzatore.
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Ah! "Choir(s)", "Accordion Band", "Dancers". Very good. I love Google Translate
– Pieter Geerkens
58 mins ago
 |Â
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up vote
4
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According to the site unionemilitare.com, this is an
DISTINTIVO CONVEGNO ITALO-TEDESCO, ROMA MAGGIO 1938.
Translation: ITALIAN-GERMAN CONFERENCE (or MEETING) BADGE, ROME MAY 1938.
The site has a badge very similar to yours:
The site provides the following additional information:
Distintivo smaltato e numerato assegnato agli organizzatori del
Convegno Nazionale Bande Cori Fisarmoniche Danzatori Popolari
organizzato a Roma - p.zza di Siena - nel maggio del 1938 ( XVI E.F.)
dall'O.N.D. (Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro) e dal P.N.F. Il distintivo fu
realizzato in ottone e "smalto livellato" dalla ditta " Castelli
Cerosa S.A." di Milano...
Translation: Enameled and numbered badge assigned to the organizers of the National Convention Bande Cori Accordion Folk Dancers organized in Rome - Piazza di Siena - in May 1938 (XVI EF) from the UN (National Opera Dopolavoro) and the PNF The badge was made of brass and "level glaze" from the company "Castelli Cerosa SA" of Milan
For the letters on the badge:
- PNF stands for Partito Nazionale Fascista, (National Fascist Party)
- OND stands for Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro (National Recreational
Club), "the Italian Fascist leisure and recreational organization for
adults."
The performance took place during a state visit to Italy by Hitler, starting May 3rd 1938 and lasting 6 days. Hitler visited Naples on the 5th and went to Florence on the 9th but seems to have spent the rest of the time in Rome.
Confirming the meaning of Cri 114 (OPs picture) and D 174 is difficult. As there is also a badge B.A. 21 (see this forum in Italian for image), it is possible Cri = Cori (choirs), D = Danzatore (dancers) and B.A. = Bande Accordion. However, I can find no solid evidence to confirm this.
answered 2 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
28.8k7145199
1
@MarkC.Wallace I've only found speculation on this so far, still trying to dig this up. Someone did contact the manufacturer about this but it appears they never got a reply. My guess is different groups of singers / performers were assigned different letters, with the numbers being for each individual in that group - but that's only a guess (so it stays as a comment for now).
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Those numbering appear to be stamped subsequent to manufacture, as the characters are slightly mis-aligned. (The "4" above is crooked, and the 1 and 7 are off alignment.) My best guess is that they are seating assignments stamped by hand on the medals by the organizers after delivery. That would also explain why the manufacturer cannot answer the question.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
Another possibility: If the "D" is for Deutschland, the "ri" of "Cri" could stand for "Regno d'Italia", Italian for "Kingdom of Italy". I haven't figured out what the "C" would stand for in that case.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
@PieterGeerkens I'm thinking Cri = Cori, B.A. = Bande Accordion, D = Danzatore.
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Ah! "Choir(s)", "Accordion Band", "Dancers". Very good. I love Google Translate
– Pieter Geerkens
58 mins ago
 |Â
show 2 more comments
up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
According to the site unionemilitare.com, this is an
DISTINTIVO CONVEGNO ITALO-TEDESCO, ROMA MAGGIO 1938.
Translation: ITALIAN-GERMAN CONFERENCE (or MEETING) BADGE, ROME MAY 1938.
The site has a badge very similar to yours:
The site provides the following additional information:
Distintivo smaltato e numerato assegnato agli organizzatori del
Convegno Nazionale Bande Cori Fisarmoniche Danzatori Popolari
organizzato a Roma - p.zza di Siena - nel maggio del 1938 ( XVI E.F.)
dall'O.N.D. (Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro) e dal P.N.F. Il distintivo fu
realizzato in ottone e "smalto livellato" dalla ditta " Castelli
Cerosa S.A." di Milano...
Translation: Enameled and numbered badge assigned to the organizers of the National Convention Bande Cori Accordion Folk Dancers organized in Rome - Piazza di Siena - in May 1938 (XVI EF) from the UN (National Opera Dopolavoro) and the PNF The badge was made of brass and "level glaze" from the company "Castelli Cerosa SA" of Milan
For the letters on the badge:
- PNF stands for Partito Nazionale Fascista, (National Fascist Party)
- OND stands for Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro (National Recreational
Club), "the Italian Fascist leisure and recreational organization for
adults."
The performance took place during a state visit to Italy by Hitler, starting May 3rd 1938 and lasting 6 days. Hitler visited Naples on the 5th and went to Florence on the 9th but seems to have spent the rest of the time in Rome.
Confirming the meaning of Cri 114 (OPs picture) and D 174 is difficult. As there is also a badge B.A. 21 (see this forum in Italian for image), it is possible Cri = Cori (choirs), D = Danzatore (dancers) and B.A. = Bande Accordion. However, I can find no solid evidence to confirm this.
answered 2 hours ago
Lars Bosteen
28.8k7145199
According to the site unionemilitare.com, this is an
DISTINTIVO CONVEGNO ITALO-TEDESCO, ROMA MAGGIO 1938.
Translation: ITALIAN-GERMAN CONFERENCE (or MEETING) BADGE, ROME MAY 1938.
The site has a badge very similar to yours:
The site provides the following additional information:
Distintivo smaltato e numerato assegnato agli organizzatori del
Convegno Nazionale Bande Cori Fisarmoniche Danzatori Popolari
organizzato a Roma - p.zza di Siena - nel maggio del 1938 ( XVI E.F.)
dall'O.N.D. (Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro) e dal P.N.F. Il distintivo fu
realizzato in ottone e "smalto livellato" dalla ditta " Castelli
Cerosa S.A." di Milano...
Translation: Enameled and numbered badge assigned to the organizers of the National Convention Bande Cori Accordion Folk Dancers organized in Rome - Piazza di Siena - in May 1938 (XVI EF) from the UN (National Opera Dopolavoro) and the PNF The badge was made of brass and "level glaze" from the company "Castelli Cerosa SA" of Milan
For the letters on the badge:
- PNF stands for Partito Nazionale Fascista, (National Fascist Party)
- OND stands for Opera Nazionale Dopolavoro (National Recreational
Club), "the Italian Fascist leisure and recreational organization for
adults."
The performance took place during a state visit to Italy by Hitler, starting May 3rd 1938 and lasting 6 days. Hitler visited Naples on the 5th and went to Florence on the 9th but seems to have spent the rest of the time in Rome.
Confirming the meaning of Cri 114 (OPs picture) and D 174 is difficult. As there is also a badge B.A. 21 (see this forum in Italian for image), it is possible Cri = Cori (choirs), D = Danzatore (dancers) and B.A. = Bande Accordion. However, I can find no solid evidence to confirm this.
answered 2 hours ago
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@MarkC.Wallace I've only found speculation on this so far, still trying to dig this up. Someone did contact the manufacturer about this but it appears they never got a reply. My guess is different groups of singers / performers were assigned different letters, with the numbers being for each individual in that group - but that's only a guess (so it stays as a comment for now).
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Those numbering appear to be stamped subsequent to manufacture, as the characters are slightly mis-aligned. (The "4" above is crooked, and the 1 and 7 are off alignment.) My best guess is that they are seating assignments stamped by hand on the medals by the organizers after delivery. That would also explain why the manufacturer cannot answer the question.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
Another possibility: If the "D" is for Deutschland, the "ri" of "Cri" could stand for "Regno d'Italia", Italian for "Kingdom of Italy". I haven't figured out what the "C" would stand for in that case.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
@PieterGeerkens I'm thinking Cri = Cori, B.A. = Bande Accordion, D = Danzatore.
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Ah! "Choir(s)", "Accordion Band", "Dancers". Very good. I love Google Translate
– Pieter Geerkens
58 mins ago
 |Â
show 2 more comments
1
@MarkC.Wallace I've only found speculation on this so far, still trying to dig this up. Someone did contact the manufacturer about this but it appears they never got a reply. My guess is different groups of singers / performers were assigned different letters, with the numbers being for each individual in that group - but that's only a guess (so it stays as a comment for now).
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Those numbering appear to be stamped subsequent to manufacture, as the characters are slightly mis-aligned. (The "4" above is crooked, and the 1 and 7 are off alignment.) My best guess is that they are seating assignments stamped by hand on the medals by the organizers after delivery. That would also explain why the manufacturer cannot answer the question.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
Another possibility: If the "D" is for Deutschland, the "ri" of "Cri" could stand for "Regno d'Italia", Italian for "Kingdom of Italy". I haven't figured out what the "C" would stand for in that case.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
@PieterGeerkens I'm thinking Cri = Cori, B.A. = Bande Accordion, D = Danzatore.
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
@LarsBosteen: Ah! "Choir(s)", "Accordion Band", "Dancers". Very good. I love Google Translate
– Pieter Geerkens
58 mins ago
1
1
@MarkC.Wallace I've only found speculation on this so far, still trying to dig this up. Someone did contact the manufacturer about this but it appears they never got a reply. My guess is different groups of singers / performers were assigned different letters, with the numbers being for each individual in that group - but that's only a guess (so it stays as a comment for now).
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
@MarkC.Wallace I've only found speculation on this so far, still trying to dig this up. Someone did contact the manufacturer about this but it appears they never got a reply. My guess is different groups of singers / performers were assigned different letters, with the numbers being for each individual in that group - but that's only a guess (so it stays as a comment for now).
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
1
@LarsBosteen: Those numbering appear to be stamped subsequent to manufacture, as the characters are slightly mis-aligned. (The "4" above is crooked, and the 1 and 7 are off alignment.) My best guess is that they are seating assignments stamped by hand on the medals by the organizers after delivery. That would also explain why the manufacturer cannot answer the question.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
@LarsBosteen: Those numbering appear to be stamped subsequent to manufacture, as the characters are slightly mis-aligned. (The "4" above is crooked, and the 1 and 7 are off alignment.) My best guess is that they are seating assignments stamped by hand on the medals by the organizers after delivery. That would also explain why the manufacturer cannot answer the question.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
1
Another possibility: If the "D" is for Deutschland, the "ri" of "Cri" could stand for "Regno d'Italia", Italian for "Kingdom of Italy". I haven't figured out what the "C" would stand for in that case.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
Another possibility: If the "D" is for Deutschland, the "ri" of "Cri" could stand for "Regno d'Italia", Italian for "Kingdom of Italy". I haven't figured out what the "C" would stand for in that case.
– Pieter Geerkens
1 hour ago
1
1
@PieterGeerkens I'm thinking Cri = Cori, B.A. = Bande Accordion, D = Danzatore.
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
@PieterGeerkens I'm thinking Cri = Cori, B.A. = Bande Accordion, D = Danzatore.
– Lars Bosteen
1 hour ago
1
1
@LarsBosteen: Ah! "Choir(s)", "Accordion Band", "Dancers". Very good. I love Google Translate
– Pieter Geerkens
58 mins ago
@LarsBosteen: Ah! "Choir(s)", "Accordion Band", "Dancers". Very good. I love Google Translate
– Pieter Geerkens
58 mins ago
 |Â
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