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The flag of Iceland, shown below, is described blazon as "Azure, a cross gules fimbriated argent", indicating that the fimbriation is silver. Argentum means silver in Latin.
Does this mean that originally the flag was fimbriated in silver, or was it always white?
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The flag of Iceland, shown below, is described blazon as "Azure, a cross gules fimbriated argent", indicating that the fimbriation is silver. Argentum means silver in Latin.
Does this mean that originally the flag was fimbriated in silver, or was it always white?
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The flag of Iceland, shown below, is described blazon as "Azure, a cross gules fimbriated argent", indicating that the fimbriation is silver. Argentum means silver in Latin.
Does this mean that originally the flag was fimbriated in silver, or was it always white?
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The flag of Iceland, shown below, is described blazon as "Azure, a cross gules fimbriated argent", indicating that the fimbriation is silver. Argentum means silver in Latin.
Does this mean that originally the flag was fimbriated in silver, or was it always white?
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Silver means white.
The art and science of classic European flag design is called "Heraldry". Classic heraldry refers to color as "Tincture". Tinctures are separated into 5 colors:
- Azure (blue)
- Gules (red)
- Purpure (purple)
- Sable (black)
- Vert (green)
and 2 metals:
- Or (yellow)
- Argent (white)
In classic medieval sculpting artworks depicting heraldry (like a family crest on a wall), the two metals Or and Argent should be depicted with Gold- or Silver plating if possible. If material (or budget) don't permit, then one can resort to yellow or white paint. You can't silver-plate a flag (at least not with the techniques available in the medieval age), so a silver flag would be a white flag.
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Hmm, ok, well you could use silver thread. Is the intent of the flag that it be silver or white?
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
@TylerDurden In classic heraldry, there is no difference between white and silver. If you wonder if anyone ever seriously intended for people to manufacture flags from silver thread and fly them, then the answer is likely no.
– Philipp♦
22 mins ago
@TylerDurden England: "argent, a cross gules": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England. Scotland: "Azure, a saltire argent": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland. The white stripes in the US arms are "argent." Argent just means white in the context of heraldic blazons.
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No.
The flag has always been red, blue and white like snow:
The civil national flag of Icelanders is blue as the sky with a snow-white cross, and a fiery-red cross inside the white cross. The arms of the cross extend to the edge of the flag, and their combined width is ​2â„9, but the red cross ​1â„9 of the combined width of the flag. The blue areas are right angled rectangles, the rectilinear surfaces are parallel and the outer rectilinear surfaces as wide as them, but twice the length. The dimensions between the width and length are 18:25.
The term argentum is here mixing the terminology of vexillology with that of heraldry. Can be done, is not forbidden, but a bit outdated and pretentious –– and leads to confusion, as evidenced here.
Unlike the German flag that really has to be described as containing (ideally) gold the Icelandic one is properly just white like snow. (Compare the German flag again with that of Belgium to see the distinction).
In heraldry the tincture white is commonly described as argent
Metals
The metals are or and argent, representing gold and silver, respectively, although in practice they are often depicted as yellow and white.
Or (Ger. Gelb, Gold, or golden) derives its name from the Latin aurum, "gold". It may be depicted using either yellow or metallic gold, at the artist's discretion; "yellow" has no separate existence in heraldry, and is never used to represent any tincture other than or.
Argent (Ger. Weiß, Weiss, Silber, or silbern) is similarly derived from the Latin argentum, "silver". Although sometimes depicted as metallic silver or faint grey, it is more often represented by white, in part because of the tendency for silver paint to oxidize and darken over time, and in part because of the pleasing effect of white against a contrasting colour. Notwithstanding the widespread use of white for argent, some heraldic authorities have suggested the existence of white as a distinct heraldic colour.
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The word for white in Latin is "albus", not argentum. Argentum means silver.
– Tyler Durden
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@TylerDurden Yep. And in heraldry the proper word for red is not rouge but gueules, which now designates as a French word the moth of an animal. This is Medieval tradition, not modern linguistics.
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Silver means white.
The art and science of classic European flag design is called "Heraldry". Classic heraldry refers to color as "Tincture". Tinctures are separated into 5 colors:
- Azure (blue)
- Gules (red)
- Purpure (purple)
- Sable (black)
- Vert (green)
and 2 metals:
- Or (yellow)
- Argent (white)
In classic medieval sculpting artworks depicting heraldry (like a family crest on a wall), the two metals Or and Argent should be depicted with Gold- or Silver plating if possible. If material (or budget) don't permit, then one can resort to yellow or white paint. You can't silver-plate a flag (at least not with the techniques available in the medieval age), so a silver flag would be a white flag.
answered 1 hour ago
Philipp♦
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Hmm, ok, well you could use silver thread. Is the intent of the flag that it be silver or white?
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
@TylerDurden In classic heraldry, there is no difference between white and silver. If you wonder if anyone ever seriously intended for people to manufacture flags from silver thread and fly them, then the answer is likely no.
– Philipp♦
22 mins ago
@TylerDurden England: "argent, a cross gules": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England. Scotland: "Azure, a saltire argent": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland. The white stripes in the US arms are "argent." Argent just means white in the context of heraldic blazons.
– phoog
17 mins ago
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Silver means white.
The art and science of classic European flag design is called "Heraldry". Classic heraldry refers to color as "Tincture". Tinctures are separated into 5 colors:
- Azure (blue)
- Gules (red)
- Purpure (purple)
- Sable (black)
- Vert (green)
and 2 metals:
- Or (yellow)
- Argent (white)
In classic medieval sculpting artworks depicting heraldry (like a family crest on a wall), the two metals Or and Argent should be depicted with Gold- or Silver plating if possible. If material (or budget) don't permit, then one can resort to yellow or white paint. You can't silver-plate a flag (at least not with the techniques available in the medieval age), so a silver flag would be a white flag.
answered 1 hour ago
Philipp♦
36.5k14108135
Hmm, ok, well you could use silver thread. Is the intent of the flag that it be silver or white?
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
@TylerDurden In classic heraldry, there is no difference between white and silver. If you wonder if anyone ever seriously intended for people to manufacture flags from silver thread and fly them, then the answer is likely no.
– Philipp♦
22 mins ago
@TylerDurden England: "argent, a cross gules": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England. Scotland: "Azure, a saltire argent": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland. The white stripes in the US arms are "argent." Argent just means white in the context of heraldic blazons.
– phoog
17 mins ago
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up vote
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Silver means white.
The art and science of classic European flag design is called "Heraldry". Classic heraldry refers to color as "Tincture". Tinctures are separated into 5 colors:
- Azure (blue)
- Gules (red)
- Purpure (purple)
- Sable (black)
- Vert (green)
and 2 metals:
- Or (yellow)
- Argent (white)
In classic medieval sculpting artworks depicting heraldry (like a family crest on a wall), the two metals Or and Argent should be depicted with Gold- or Silver plating if possible. If material (or budget) don't permit, then one can resort to yellow or white paint. You can't silver-plate a flag (at least not with the techniques available in the medieval age), so a silver flag would be a white flag.
answered 1 hour ago
Philipp♦
36.5k14108135
Silver means white.
The art and science of classic European flag design is called "Heraldry". Classic heraldry refers to color as "Tincture". Tinctures are separated into 5 colors:
- Azure (blue)
- Gules (red)
- Purpure (purple)
- Sable (black)
- Vert (green)
and 2 metals:
- Or (yellow)
- Argent (white)
In classic medieval sculpting artworks depicting heraldry (like a family crest on a wall), the two metals Or and Argent should be depicted with Gold- or Silver plating if possible. If material (or budget) don't permit, then one can resort to yellow or white paint. You can't silver-plate a flag (at least not with the techniques available in the medieval age), so a silver flag would be a white flag.
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Hmm, ok, well you could use silver thread. Is the intent of the flag that it be silver or white?
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
@TylerDurden In classic heraldry, there is no difference between white and silver. If you wonder if anyone ever seriously intended for people to manufacture flags from silver thread and fly them, then the answer is likely no.
– Philipp♦
22 mins ago
@TylerDurden England: "argent, a cross gules": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England. Scotland: "Azure, a saltire argent": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland. The white stripes in the US arms are "argent." Argent just means white in the context of heraldic blazons.
– phoog
17 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Hmm, ok, well you could use silver thread. Is the intent of the flag that it be silver or white?
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
@TylerDurden In classic heraldry, there is no difference between white and silver. If you wonder if anyone ever seriously intended for people to manufacture flags from silver thread and fly them, then the answer is likely no.
– Philipp♦
22 mins ago
@TylerDurden England: "argent, a cross gules": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England. Scotland: "Azure, a saltire argent": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland. The white stripes in the US arms are "argent." Argent just means white in the context of heraldic blazons.
– phoog
17 mins ago
Hmm, ok, well you could use silver thread. Is the intent of the flag that it be silver or white?
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
Hmm, ok, well you could use silver thread. Is the intent of the flag that it be silver or white?
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
@TylerDurden In classic heraldry, there is no difference between white and silver. If you wonder if anyone ever seriously intended for people to manufacture flags from silver thread and fly them, then the answer is likely no.
– Philipp♦
22 mins ago
@TylerDurden In classic heraldry, there is no difference between white and silver. If you wonder if anyone ever seriously intended for people to manufacture flags from silver thread and fly them, then the answer is likely no.
– Philipp♦
22 mins ago
@TylerDurden England: "argent, a cross gules": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England. Scotland: "Azure, a saltire argent": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland. The white stripes in the US arms are "argent." Argent just means white in the context of heraldic blazons.
– phoog
17 mins ago
@TylerDurden England: "argent, a cross gules": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England. Scotland: "Azure, a saltire argent": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland. The white stripes in the US arms are "argent." Argent just means white in the context of heraldic blazons.
– phoog
17 mins ago
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No.
The flag has always been red, blue and white like snow:
The civil national flag of Icelanders is blue as the sky with a snow-white cross, and a fiery-red cross inside the white cross. The arms of the cross extend to the edge of the flag, and their combined width is ​2â„9, but the red cross ​1â„9 of the combined width of the flag. The blue areas are right angled rectangles, the rectilinear surfaces are parallel and the outer rectilinear surfaces as wide as them, but twice the length. The dimensions between the width and length are 18:25.
The term argentum is here mixing the terminology of vexillology with that of heraldry. Can be done, is not forbidden, but a bit outdated and pretentious –– and leads to confusion, as evidenced here.
Unlike the German flag that really has to be described as containing (ideally) gold the Icelandic one is properly just white like snow. (Compare the German flag again with that of Belgium to see the distinction).
In heraldry the tincture white is commonly described as argent
Metals
The metals are or and argent, representing gold and silver, respectively, although in practice they are often depicted as yellow and white.
Or (Ger. Gelb, Gold, or golden) derives its name from the Latin aurum, "gold". It may be depicted using either yellow or metallic gold, at the artist's discretion; "yellow" has no separate existence in heraldry, and is never used to represent any tincture other than or.
Argent (Ger. Weiß, Weiss, Silber, or silbern) is similarly derived from the Latin argentum, "silver". Although sometimes depicted as metallic silver or faint grey, it is more often represented by white, in part because of the tendency for silver paint to oxidize and darken over time, and in part because of the pleasing effect of white against a contrasting colour. Notwithstanding the widespread use of white for argent, some heraldic authorities have suggested the existence of white as a distinct heraldic colour.
answered 1 hour ago
LangLangC
30819
The word for white in Latin is "albus", not argentum. Argentum means silver.
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
1
@TylerDurden Yep. And in heraldry the proper word for red is not rouge but gueules, which now designates as a French word the moth of an animal. This is Medieval tradition, not modern linguistics.
– LangLangC
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
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No.
The flag has always been red, blue and white like snow:
The civil national flag of Icelanders is blue as the sky with a snow-white cross, and a fiery-red cross inside the white cross. The arms of the cross extend to the edge of the flag, and their combined width is ​2â„9, but the red cross ​1â„9 of the combined width of the flag. The blue areas are right angled rectangles, the rectilinear surfaces are parallel and the outer rectilinear surfaces as wide as them, but twice the length. The dimensions between the width and length are 18:25.
The term argentum is here mixing the terminology of vexillology with that of heraldry. Can be done, is not forbidden, but a bit outdated and pretentious –– and leads to confusion, as evidenced here.
Unlike the German flag that really has to be described as containing (ideally) gold the Icelandic one is properly just white like snow. (Compare the German flag again with that of Belgium to see the distinction).
In heraldry the tincture white is commonly described as argent
Metals
The metals are or and argent, representing gold and silver, respectively, although in practice they are often depicted as yellow and white.
Or (Ger. Gelb, Gold, or golden) derives its name from the Latin aurum, "gold". It may be depicted using either yellow or metallic gold, at the artist's discretion; "yellow" has no separate existence in heraldry, and is never used to represent any tincture other than or.
Argent (Ger. Weiß, Weiss, Silber, or silbern) is similarly derived from the Latin argentum, "silver". Although sometimes depicted as metallic silver or faint grey, it is more often represented by white, in part because of the tendency for silver paint to oxidize and darken over time, and in part because of the pleasing effect of white against a contrasting colour. Notwithstanding the widespread use of white for argent, some heraldic authorities have suggested the existence of white as a distinct heraldic colour.
answered 1 hour ago
LangLangC
30819
The word for white in Latin is "albus", not argentum. Argentum means silver.
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
1
@TylerDurden Yep. And in heraldry the proper word for red is not rouge but gueules, which now designates as a French word the moth of an animal. This is Medieval tradition, not modern linguistics.
– LangLangC
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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No.
The flag has always been red, blue and white like snow:
The civil national flag of Icelanders is blue as the sky with a snow-white cross, and a fiery-red cross inside the white cross. The arms of the cross extend to the edge of the flag, and their combined width is ​2â„9, but the red cross ​1â„9 of the combined width of the flag. The blue areas are right angled rectangles, the rectilinear surfaces are parallel and the outer rectilinear surfaces as wide as them, but twice the length. The dimensions between the width and length are 18:25.
The term argentum is here mixing the terminology of vexillology with that of heraldry. Can be done, is not forbidden, but a bit outdated and pretentious –– and leads to confusion, as evidenced here.
Unlike the German flag that really has to be described as containing (ideally) gold the Icelandic one is properly just white like snow. (Compare the German flag again with that of Belgium to see the distinction).
In heraldry the tincture white is commonly described as argent
Metals
The metals are or and argent, representing gold and silver, respectively, although in practice they are often depicted as yellow and white.
Or (Ger. Gelb, Gold, or golden) derives its name from the Latin aurum, "gold". It may be depicted using either yellow or metallic gold, at the artist's discretion; "yellow" has no separate existence in heraldry, and is never used to represent any tincture other than or.
Argent (Ger. Weiß, Weiss, Silber, or silbern) is similarly derived from the Latin argentum, "silver". Although sometimes depicted as metallic silver or faint grey, it is more often represented by white, in part because of the tendency for silver paint to oxidize and darken over time, and in part because of the pleasing effect of white against a contrasting colour. Notwithstanding the widespread use of white for argent, some heraldic authorities have suggested the existence of white as a distinct heraldic colour.
answered 1 hour ago
LangLangC
30819
No.
The flag has always been red, blue and white like snow:
The civil national flag of Icelanders is blue as the sky with a snow-white cross, and a fiery-red cross inside the white cross. The arms of the cross extend to the edge of the flag, and their combined width is ​2â„9, but the red cross ​1â„9 of the combined width of the flag. The blue areas are right angled rectangles, the rectilinear surfaces are parallel and the outer rectilinear surfaces as wide as them, but twice the length. The dimensions between the width and length are 18:25.
The term argentum is here mixing the terminology of vexillology with that of heraldry. Can be done, is not forbidden, but a bit outdated and pretentious –– and leads to confusion, as evidenced here.
Unlike the German flag that really has to be described as containing (ideally) gold the Icelandic one is properly just white like snow. (Compare the German flag again with that of Belgium to see the distinction).
In heraldry the tincture white is commonly described as argent
Metals
The metals are or and argent, representing gold and silver, respectively, although in practice they are often depicted as yellow and white.
Or (Ger. Gelb, Gold, or golden) derives its name from the Latin aurum, "gold". It may be depicted using either yellow or metallic gold, at the artist's discretion; "yellow" has no separate existence in heraldry, and is never used to represent any tincture other than or.
Argent (Ger. Weiß, Weiss, Silber, or silbern) is similarly derived from the Latin argentum, "silver". Although sometimes depicted as metallic silver or faint grey, it is more often represented by white, in part because of the tendency for silver paint to oxidize and darken over time, and in part because of the pleasing effect of white against a contrasting colour. Notwithstanding the widespread use of white for argent, some heraldic authorities have suggested the existence of white as a distinct heraldic colour.
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The word for white in Latin is "albus", not argentum. Argentum means silver.
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
1
@TylerDurden Yep. And in heraldry the proper word for red is not rouge but gueules, which now designates as a French word the moth of an animal. This is Medieval tradition, not modern linguistics.
– LangLangC
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
The word for white in Latin is "albus", not argentum. Argentum means silver.
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
1
@TylerDurden Yep. And in heraldry the proper word for red is not rouge but gueules, which now designates as a French word the moth of an animal. This is Medieval tradition, not modern linguistics.
– LangLangC
56 mins ago
The word for white in Latin is "albus", not argentum. Argentum means silver.
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
The word for white in Latin is "albus", not argentum. Argentum means silver.
– Tyler Durden
1 hour ago
1
1
@TylerDurden Yep. And in heraldry the proper word for red is not rouge but gueules, which now designates as a French word the moth of an animal. This is Medieval tradition, not modern linguistics.
– LangLangC
56 mins ago
@TylerDurden Yep. And in heraldry the proper word for red is not rouge but gueules, which now designates as a French word the moth of an animal. This is Medieval tradition, not modern linguistics.
– LangLangC
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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