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Is it okay to take off with weight more than the POH max gross weight?
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I wonder if i could take off with weight more than the gross weight stated in the POH of my aircraft as long as i take off with a higher speed?
i think i have done it once by mistake.
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I wonder if i could take off with weight more than the gross weight stated in the POH of my aircraft as long as i take off with a higher speed?
i think i have done it once by mistake.
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I think you will find your takeoff occurs at a similar speed, but it takes longer to accelerate to that speed, and your rate of climb will be much lower. Hence you run the risk of running out of runway, or not being able to clear obstacles once airborne. Or not being able to stop on the remaining runway if the takeoff had to be aborted. All made worse by hot weather when engine performance is reduced. For long overwater ferry flights, the planes are often equipped with ferry tanks to provide extra fuel, and are allowed to takeoff at over gross weight with some approval process needed.
– CrossRoads
49 mins ago
I disagree with this a bit @CrossRoads, stall speed and climb speeds will increase with weight.
– GdD
9 mins ago
My rate of climb always seems to be lower when I am heavier, once I get to the same airspeed. What are you calling climb speed? I didn't mention stall speed.
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2 mins ago
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I wonder if i could take off with weight more than the gross weight stated in the POH of my aircraft as long as i take off with a higher speed?
i think i have done it once by mistake.
general-aviation takeoff weight-and-balance aircraft-limitations poh
general-aviation takeoff weight-and-balance aircraft-limitations poh
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I think you will find your takeoff occurs at a similar speed, but it takes longer to accelerate to that speed, and your rate of climb will be much lower. Hence you run the risk of running out of runway, or not being able to clear obstacles once airborne. Or not being able to stop on the remaining runway if the takeoff had to be aborted. All made worse by hot weather when engine performance is reduced. For long overwater ferry flights, the planes are often equipped with ferry tanks to provide extra fuel, and are allowed to takeoff at over gross weight with some approval process needed.
– CrossRoads
49 mins ago
I disagree with this a bit @CrossRoads, stall speed and climb speeds will increase with weight.
– GdD
9 mins ago
My rate of climb always seems to be lower when I am heavier, once I get to the same airspeed. What are you calling climb speed? I didn't mention stall speed.
– CrossRoads
2 mins ago
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I think you will find your takeoff occurs at a similar speed, but it takes longer to accelerate to that speed, and your rate of climb will be much lower. Hence you run the risk of running out of runway, or not being able to clear obstacles once airborne. Or not being able to stop on the remaining runway if the takeoff had to be aborted. All made worse by hot weather when engine performance is reduced. For long overwater ferry flights, the planes are often equipped with ferry tanks to provide extra fuel, and are allowed to takeoff at over gross weight with some approval process needed.
– CrossRoads
49 mins ago
I disagree with this a bit @CrossRoads, stall speed and climb speeds will increase with weight.
– GdD
9 mins ago
My rate of climb always seems to be lower when I am heavier, once I get to the same airspeed. What are you calling climb speed? I didn't mention stall speed.
– CrossRoads
2 mins ago
I think you will find your takeoff occurs at a similar speed, but it takes longer to accelerate to that speed, and your rate of climb will be much lower. Hence you run the risk of running out of runway, or not being able to clear obstacles once airborne. Or not being able to stop on the remaining runway if the takeoff had to be aborted. All made worse by hot weather when engine performance is reduced. For long overwater ferry flights, the planes are often equipped with ferry tanks to provide extra fuel, and are allowed to takeoff at over gross weight with some approval process needed.
– CrossRoads
49 mins ago
I think you will find your takeoff occurs at a similar speed, but it takes longer to accelerate to that speed, and your rate of climb will be much lower. Hence you run the risk of running out of runway, or not being able to clear obstacles once airborne. Or not being able to stop on the remaining runway if the takeoff had to be aborted. All made worse by hot weather when engine performance is reduced. For long overwater ferry flights, the planes are often equipped with ferry tanks to provide extra fuel, and are allowed to takeoff at over gross weight with some approval process needed.
– CrossRoads
49 mins ago
I disagree with this a bit @CrossRoads, stall speed and climb speeds will increase with weight.
– GdD
9 mins ago
I disagree with this a bit @CrossRoads, stall speed and climb speeds will increase with weight.
– GdD
9 mins ago
My rate of climb always seems to be lower when I am heavier, once I get to the same airspeed. What are you calling climb speed? I didn't mention stall speed.
– CrossRoads
2 mins ago
My rate of climb always seems to be lower when I am heavier, once I get to the same airspeed. What are you calling climb speed? I didn't mention stall speed.
– CrossRoads
2 mins ago
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Are you a qualified Test Pilot with insurance covering you for crashing this aircraft? The Max Gross Weight quoted in the POH tells you how far the factory Test Pilots have taken the airplane - any further and you are doing the experimenting. (An obvious concern is that with too much weight, the wings will fold in flight. But there are other concerns.)
There are margins, but you don't know what they are. So you might already have been flying within those margins, and thus got away with it. But if you don't know what the margins are then you can't guarantee to stay within them.
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Can you take off over gross weight? Yes, it's possible on any airplane, dependent on how far over you are, the density altitude, how much runway you have, what obstacles are in the area and other factors. It's very easy to go above gross in a Cessna 152 with full fuel and 2 passengers, and probably happens more often than people realize or own up to. That doesn't make it a good idea, which is why pilots are trained to do weight and balance plus performance calculations before every flight.
Besides the safety angle, taking off over gross weight could land you in trouble with the FAA even if nothing goes wrong, you can lose your ticket for that. If there was an incident your insurance may not cover damage or litigation costs.
answered 3 hours ago
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This pretty much boils down to, Can you? Yes. Should you? No.
– FreeMan
55 mins ago
Close @FreeMan, more Can you? Maybe. Should you? No.
– GdD
11 mins ago
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2 Answers
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active
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active
oldest
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up vote
4
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Are you a qualified Test Pilot with insurance covering you for crashing this aircraft? The Max Gross Weight quoted in the POH tells you how far the factory Test Pilots have taken the airplane - any further and you are doing the experimenting. (An obvious concern is that with too much weight, the wings will fold in flight. But there are other concerns.)
There are margins, but you don't know what they are. So you might already have been flying within those margins, and thus got away with it. But if you don't know what the margins are then you can't guarantee to stay within them.
answered 4 hours ago
RAC
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Are you a qualified Test Pilot with insurance covering you for crashing this aircraft? The Max Gross Weight quoted in the POH tells you how far the factory Test Pilots have taken the airplane - any further and you are doing the experimenting. (An obvious concern is that with too much weight, the wings will fold in flight. But there are other concerns.)
There are margins, but you don't know what they are. So you might already have been flying within those margins, and thus got away with it. But if you don't know what the margins are then you can't guarantee to stay within them.
answered 4 hours ago
RAC
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up vote
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Are you a qualified Test Pilot with insurance covering you for crashing this aircraft? The Max Gross Weight quoted in the POH tells you how far the factory Test Pilots have taken the airplane - any further and you are doing the experimenting. (An obvious concern is that with too much weight, the wings will fold in flight. But there are other concerns.)
There are margins, but you don't know what they are. So you might already have been flying within those margins, and thus got away with it. But if you don't know what the margins are then you can't guarantee to stay within them.
answered 4 hours ago
RAC
1,90737
Are you a qualified Test Pilot with insurance covering you for crashing this aircraft? The Max Gross Weight quoted in the POH tells you how far the factory Test Pilots have taken the airplane - any further and you are doing the experimenting. (An obvious concern is that with too much weight, the wings will fold in flight. But there are other concerns.)
There are margins, but you don't know what they are. So you might already have been flying within those margins, and thus got away with it. But if you don't know what the margins are then you can't guarantee to stay within them.
answered 4 hours ago
RAC
1,90737
answered 4 hours ago
RAC
1,90737
answered 4 hours ago
RAC
1,90737
answered 4 hours ago
RAC
1,90737
1,90737
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Can you take off over gross weight? Yes, it's possible on any airplane, dependent on how far over you are, the density altitude, how much runway you have, what obstacles are in the area and other factors. It's very easy to go above gross in a Cessna 152 with full fuel and 2 passengers, and probably happens more often than people realize or own up to. That doesn't make it a good idea, which is why pilots are trained to do weight and balance plus performance calculations before every flight.
Besides the safety angle, taking off over gross weight could land you in trouble with the FAA even if nothing goes wrong, you can lose your ticket for that. If there was an incident your insurance may not cover damage or litigation costs.
answered 3 hours ago
GdD
27.7k276118
This pretty much boils down to, Can you? Yes. Should you? No.
– FreeMan
55 mins ago
Close @FreeMan, more Can you? Maybe. Should you? No.
– GdD
11 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
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Can you take off over gross weight? Yes, it's possible on any airplane, dependent on how far over you are, the density altitude, how much runway you have, what obstacles are in the area and other factors. It's very easy to go above gross in a Cessna 152 with full fuel and 2 passengers, and probably happens more often than people realize or own up to. That doesn't make it a good idea, which is why pilots are trained to do weight and balance plus performance calculations before every flight.
Besides the safety angle, taking off over gross weight could land you in trouble with the FAA even if nothing goes wrong, you can lose your ticket for that. If there was an incident your insurance may not cover damage or litigation costs.
answered 3 hours ago
GdD
27.7k276118
This pretty much boils down to, Can you? Yes. Should you? No.
– FreeMan
55 mins ago
Close @FreeMan, more Can you? Maybe. Should you? No.
– GdD
11 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
Can you take off over gross weight? Yes, it's possible on any airplane, dependent on how far over you are, the density altitude, how much runway you have, what obstacles are in the area and other factors. It's very easy to go above gross in a Cessna 152 with full fuel and 2 passengers, and probably happens more often than people realize or own up to. That doesn't make it a good idea, which is why pilots are trained to do weight and balance plus performance calculations before every flight.
Besides the safety angle, taking off over gross weight could land you in trouble with the FAA even if nothing goes wrong, you can lose your ticket for that. If there was an incident your insurance may not cover damage or litigation costs.
answered 3 hours ago
GdD
27.7k276118
Can you take off over gross weight? Yes, it's possible on any airplane, dependent on how far over you are, the density altitude, how much runway you have, what obstacles are in the area and other factors. It's very easy to go above gross in a Cessna 152 with full fuel and 2 passengers, and probably happens more often than people realize or own up to. That doesn't make it a good idea, which is why pilots are trained to do weight and balance plus performance calculations before every flight.
Besides the safety angle, taking off over gross weight could land you in trouble with the FAA even if nothing goes wrong, you can lose your ticket for that. If there was an incident your insurance may not cover damage or litigation costs.
answered 3 hours ago
GdD
27.7k276118
edited 3 hours ago
answered 3 hours ago
GdD
27.7k276118
answered 3 hours ago
GdD
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answered 3 hours ago
GdD
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27.7k276118
This pretty much boils down to, Can you? Yes. Should you? No.
– FreeMan
55 mins ago
Close @FreeMan, more Can you? Maybe. Should you? No.
– GdD
11 mins ago
add a comment |Â
This pretty much boils down to, Can you? Yes. Should you? No.
– FreeMan
55 mins ago
Close @FreeMan, more Can you? Maybe. Should you? No.
– GdD
11 mins ago
This pretty much boils down to, Can you? Yes. Should you? No.
– FreeMan
55 mins ago
This pretty much boils down to, Can you? Yes. Should you? No.
– FreeMan
55 mins ago
Close @FreeMan, more Can you? Maybe. Should you? No.
– GdD
11 mins ago
Close @FreeMan, more Can you? Maybe. Should you? No.
– GdD
11 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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I think you will find your takeoff occurs at a similar speed, but it takes longer to accelerate to that speed, and your rate of climb will be much lower. Hence you run the risk of running out of runway, or not being able to clear obstacles once airborne. Or not being able to stop on the remaining runway if the takeoff had to be aborted. All made worse by hot weather when engine performance is reduced. For long overwater ferry flights, the planes are often equipped with ferry tanks to provide extra fuel, and are allowed to takeoff at over gross weight with some approval process needed.
– CrossRoads
49 mins ago
I disagree with this a bit @CrossRoads, stall speed and climb speeds will increase with weight.
– GdD
9 mins ago
My rate of climb always seems to be lower when I am heavier, once I get to the same airspeed. What are you calling climb speed? I didn't mention stall speed.
– CrossRoads
2 mins ago