integral kernel function for the SU(N) group

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It is well know that the Haar probability measure for the $U(N)$ group, given by
$$
beginalign
dX_U(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N
beginvmatrix
1 & 1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
e^ilambda_1 & e^ilambda_2 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^ilambda_N \
e^i2lambda_1 & e^i2lambda_2 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^i2lambda_N \
vdots & vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_2 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_N \
endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N \
& = frac1N!(2pi)^N prod_1leq j<kleq N |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N
endalign
$$

can also be expressed as a determinantal point process
$$ dX_U(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N det_NXN(S_N(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N $$
where
$$S_N(x,y)=fracsinfracN(x-y)2sinfracx-y2$$
is the integral kernel function for the $U(N)$ group (a proof of this fact can be found, for example, in section 4.1 of this paper); similar kernels have also been found for the special orthogonal and symplectic groups.



My question is whether any analogous kernel function is know for the $SU(N)$ group ? (or if it can be proved that it doesn't exist).



If such a function $K(x,y)$ exists, it would allow one to express the $SU(N)$ Haar probability measure
$$
beginalign
dX_SU(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1
beginvmatrix
1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
e^ilambda_1 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
e^i2lambda_1 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^-i2(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^-i(N-1)(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
& = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 prod_1leq j<kleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 prod_1leq jleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1)|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
endalign
$$

in the form of
$$ dX_SU(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 det_(N-1)X(N-1)(K(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N-1 text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 $$










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    It is well know that the Haar probability measure for the $U(N)$ group, given by
    $$
    beginalign
    dX_U(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N
    beginvmatrix
    1 & 1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
    e^ilambda_1 & e^ilambda_2 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^ilambda_N \
    e^i2lambda_1 & e^i2lambda_2 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^i2lambda_N \
    vdots & vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
    e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_2 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_N \
    endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N \
    & = frac1N!(2pi)^N prod_1leq j<kleq N |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N
    endalign
    $$

    can also be expressed as a determinantal point process
    $$ dX_U(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N det_NXN(S_N(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N $$
    where
    $$S_N(x,y)=fracsinfracN(x-y)2sinfracx-y2$$
    is the integral kernel function for the $U(N)$ group (a proof of this fact can be found, for example, in section 4.1 of this paper); similar kernels have also been found for the special orthogonal and symplectic groups.



    My question is whether any analogous kernel function is know for the $SU(N)$ group ? (or if it can be proved that it doesn't exist).



    If such a function $K(x,y)$ exists, it would allow one to express the $SU(N)$ Haar probability measure
    $$
    beginalign
    dX_SU(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1
    beginvmatrix
    1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
    e^ilambda_1 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
    e^i2lambda_1 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^-i2(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
    vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
    e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^-i(N-1)(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
    endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
    & = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 prod_1leq j<kleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 prod_1leq jleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1)|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
    endalign
    $$

    in the form of
    $$ dX_SU(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 det_(N-1)X(N-1)(K(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N-1 text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 $$










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      It is well know that the Haar probability measure for the $U(N)$ group, given by
      $$
      beginalign
      dX_U(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N
      beginvmatrix
      1 & 1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
      e^ilambda_1 & e^ilambda_2 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^ilambda_N \
      e^i2lambda_1 & e^i2lambda_2 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^i2lambda_N \
      vdots & vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
      e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_2 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_N \
      endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N \
      & = frac1N!(2pi)^N prod_1leq j<kleq N |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N
      endalign
      $$

      can also be expressed as a determinantal point process
      $$ dX_U(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N det_NXN(S_N(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N $$
      where
      $$S_N(x,y)=fracsinfracN(x-y)2sinfracx-y2$$
      is the integral kernel function for the $U(N)$ group (a proof of this fact can be found, for example, in section 4.1 of this paper); similar kernels have also been found for the special orthogonal and symplectic groups.



      My question is whether any analogous kernel function is know for the $SU(N)$ group ? (or if it can be proved that it doesn't exist).



      If such a function $K(x,y)$ exists, it would allow one to express the $SU(N)$ Haar probability measure
      $$
      beginalign
      dX_SU(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1
      beginvmatrix
      1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
      e^ilambda_1 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
      e^i2lambda_1 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^-i2(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
      vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
      e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^-i(N-1)(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
      endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
      & = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 prod_1leq j<kleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 prod_1leq jleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1)|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
      endalign
      $$

      in the form of
      $$ dX_SU(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 det_(N-1)X(N-1)(K(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N-1 text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 $$










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      It is well know that the Haar probability measure for the $U(N)$ group, given by
      $$
      beginalign
      dX_U(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N
      beginvmatrix
      1 & 1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
      e^ilambda_1 & e^ilambda_2 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^ilambda_N \
      e^i2lambda_1 & e^i2lambda_2 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^i2lambda_N \
      vdots & vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
      e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_2 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^i(N-1)lambda_N \
      endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N \
      & = frac1N!(2pi)^N prod_1leq j<kleq N |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N
      endalign
      $$

      can also be expressed as a determinantal point process
      $$ dX_U(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N det_NXN(S_N(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N $$
      where
      $$S_N(x,y)=fracsinfracN(x-y)2sinfracx-y2$$
      is the integral kernel function for the $U(N)$ group (a proof of this fact can be found, for example, in section 4.1 of this paper); similar kernels have also been found for the special orthogonal and symplectic groups.



      My question is whether any analogous kernel function is know for the $SU(N)$ group ? (or if it can be proved that it doesn't exist).



      If such a function $K(x,y)$ exists, it would allow one to express the $SU(N)$ Haar probability measure
      $$
      beginalign
      dX_SU(N) & = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1
      beginvmatrix
      1 & cdots & 1 & 1 \
      e^ilambda_1 & cdots & e^ilambda_N-1 & e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
      e^i2lambda_1 & cdots & e^i2lambda_N-1 & e^-i2(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
      vdots & ddots & vdots & vdots \
      e^i(N-1)lambda_1 & cdots & e^i(N-1)lambda_N-1 & e^-i(N-1)(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1) \
      endvmatrix^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
      & = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 prod_1leq j<kleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^ilambda_k|^2 prod_1leq jleq N-1 |e^ilambda_j-e^-i(lambda_1+ldots+lambda_N-1)|^2 dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 \
      endalign
      $$

      in the form of
      $$ dX_SU(N) = frac1N!(2pi)^N-1 det_(N-1)X(N-1)(K(lambda_j,lambda_k))_1leq j,kleq N-1 text dlambda_1dots dlambda_N-1 $$







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          The integral kernel for $rm U,(N)$, due to Dyson, has been generalized by Katz and Sarnak to other compact groups (Random Matrices, Frobenius Eigenvalues, and Monodromy, page 121). Their result has the general form
          $$dmu=frac1n!det_ntimes n[L_N(lambda_i,lambda_j)]prod_i=1^nfracdlambda_isigmapi,;;lambda_iin[0,sigmapi],;;1leq ileq n,$$
          $$S_N(x)=fracsin(Nx/2)sin(x/2),;;
          L_N(x,y)=tfrac12sigma[S_rho N+tau(x-y)+varepsilon S_rho N+tau(x+y)].$$

          The coefficients are tabulated as follows:



          The group $rm SU,(N)$ is conspicuously missing from this table... I would assume there is a reason for this (Katz and Sarnak discuss $rm SU,(N)$ at various other points in their text). My surmise is that there is no way to incorporate the delta function $deltabigl(sum_i=1^N lambda_ibigr)$ into an $(N-1)times(N-1)$ determinant.






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            The integral kernel for $rm U,(N)$, due to Dyson, has been generalized by Katz and Sarnak to other compact groups (Random Matrices, Frobenius Eigenvalues, and Monodromy, page 121). Their result has the general form
            $$dmu=frac1n!det_ntimes n[L_N(lambda_i,lambda_j)]prod_i=1^nfracdlambda_isigmapi,;;lambda_iin[0,sigmapi],;;1leq ileq n,$$
            $$S_N(x)=fracsin(Nx/2)sin(x/2),;;
            L_N(x,y)=tfrac12sigma[S_rho N+tau(x-y)+varepsilon S_rho N+tau(x+y)].$$

            The coefficients are tabulated as follows:



            The group $rm SU,(N)$ is conspicuously missing from this table... I would assume there is a reason for this (Katz and Sarnak discuss $rm SU,(N)$ at various other points in their text). My surmise is that there is no way to incorporate the delta function $deltabigl(sum_i=1^N lambda_ibigr)$ into an $(N-1)times(N-1)$ determinant.






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              The integral kernel for $rm U,(N)$, due to Dyson, has been generalized by Katz and Sarnak to other compact groups (Random Matrices, Frobenius Eigenvalues, and Monodromy, page 121). Their result has the general form
              $$dmu=frac1n!det_ntimes n[L_N(lambda_i,lambda_j)]prod_i=1^nfracdlambda_isigmapi,;;lambda_iin[0,sigmapi],;;1leq ileq n,$$
              $$S_N(x)=fracsin(Nx/2)sin(x/2),;;
              L_N(x,y)=tfrac12sigma[S_rho N+tau(x-y)+varepsilon S_rho N+tau(x+y)].$$

              The coefficients are tabulated as follows:



              The group $rm SU,(N)$ is conspicuously missing from this table... I would assume there is a reason for this (Katz and Sarnak discuss $rm SU,(N)$ at various other points in their text). My surmise is that there is no way to incorporate the delta function $deltabigl(sum_i=1^N lambda_ibigr)$ into an $(N-1)times(N-1)$ determinant.






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                The integral kernel for $rm U,(N)$, due to Dyson, has been generalized by Katz and Sarnak to other compact groups (Random Matrices, Frobenius Eigenvalues, and Monodromy, page 121). Their result has the general form
                $$dmu=frac1n!det_ntimes n[L_N(lambda_i,lambda_j)]prod_i=1^nfracdlambda_isigmapi,;;lambda_iin[0,sigmapi],;;1leq ileq n,$$
                $$S_N(x)=fracsin(Nx/2)sin(x/2),;;
                L_N(x,y)=tfrac12sigma[S_rho N+tau(x-y)+varepsilon S_rho N+tau(x+y)].$$

                The coefficients are tabulated as follows:



                The group $rm SU,(N)$ is conspicuously missing from this table... I would assume there is a reason for this (Katz and Sarnak discuss $rm SU,(N)$ at various other points in their text). My surmise is that there is no way to incorporate the delta function $deltabigl(sum_i=1^N lambda_ibigr)$ into an $(N-1)times(N-1)$ determinant.






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                The integral kernel for $rm U,(N)$, due to Dyson, has been generalized by Katz and Sarnak to other compact groups (Random Matrices, Frobenius Eigenvalues, and Monodromy, page 121). Their result has the general form
                $$dmu=frac1n!det_ntimes n[L_N(lambda_i,lambda_j)]prod_i=1^nfracdlambda_isigmapi,;;lambda_iin[0,sigmapi],;;1leq ileq n,$$
                $$S_N(x)=fracsin(Nx/2)sin(x/2),;;
                L_N(x,y)=tfrac12sigma[S_rho N+tau(x-y)+varepsilon S_rho N+tau(x+y)].$$

                The coefficients are tabulated as follows:



                The group $rm SU,(N)$ is conspicuously missing from this table... I would assume there is a reason for this (Katz and Sarnak discuss $rm SU,(N)$ at various other points in their text). My surmise is that there is no way to incorporate the delta function $deltabigl(sum_i=1^N lambda_ibigr)$ into an $(N-1)times(N-1)$ determinant.







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