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The Gemara often introduces a braysa by using the term "Tanu Rabanan" or the term "Tanya". Assuming there is a difference, what is the difference?






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          Rav Sherira Gaon, in his letter: Braysa's that were verified by Rebbe Chiya and Rebbe Oshiya are introduced by the words Tanu Rabanan. Other braysos are introduced with the word Tanya.



          Rama Mipano, Shu"s siman 25: Tanu Rabanan braysos are generally accepted by all Tannaim, Tanya braysos are the position of an individual.



          Professor Chanoch Elbek took issue with Rav sherira Gaon's principle because 1) The Talmud Yerushalmi does not use the term tanu Rabanan, only the term "tani", 2) Meseches Nedarim only uses the term tanya, not tanu Rabanan, 3) Braysos that are introduced by "tanu Rabanan" are then referred to using the term tanya. (From Professor Elbek's book Mavo LeTalmudim. You can see the excerpt here.)






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          • Based on those problems (btw, posed by whom?), why isn’t the Rama Mipano’s opinion similarly challenged?
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          Rav Sherira Gaon, in his letter: Braysa's that were verified by Rebbe Chiya and Rebbe Oshiya are introduced by the words Tanu Rabanan. Other braysos are introduced with the word Tanya.



          Rama Mipano, Shu"s siman 25: Tanu Rabanan braysos are generally accepted by all Tannaim, Tanya braysos are the position of an individual.



          Professor Chanoch Elbek took issue with Rav sherira Gaon's principle because 1) The Talmud Yerushalmi does not use the term tanu Rabanan, only the term "tani", 2) Meseches Nedarim only uses the term tanya, not tanu Rabanan, 3) Braysos that are introduced by "tanu Rabanan" are then referred to using the term tanya. (From Professor Elbek's book Mavo LeTalmudim. You can see the excerpt here.)






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          • Based on those problems (btw, posed by whom?), why isn’t the Rama Mipano’s opinion similarly challenged?
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          • @DonielF I updated the answer.
            – Gavriel
            28 mins ago














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          Rav Sherira Gaon, in his letter: Braysa's that were verified by Rebbe Chiya and Rebbe Oshiya are introduced by the words Tanu Rabanan. Other braysos are introduced with the word Tanya.



          Rama Mipano, Shu"s siman 25: Tanu Rabanan braysos are generally accepted by all Tannaim, Tanya braysos are the position of an individual.



          Professor Chanoch Elbek took issue with Rav sherira Gaon's principle because 1) The Talmud Yerushalmi does not use the term tanu Rabanan, only the term "tani", 2) Meseches Nedarim only uses the term tanya, not tanu Rabanan, 3) Braysos that are introduced by "tanu Rabanan" are then referred to using the term tanya. (From Professor Elbek's book Mavo LeTalmudim. You can see the excerpt here.)






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          • Based on those problems (btw, posed by whom?), why isn’t the Rama Mipano’s opinion similarly challenged?
            – DonielF
            41 mins ago










          • @DonielF I updated the answer.
            – Gavriel
            28 mins ago












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          Rav Sherira Gaon, in his letter: Braysa's that were verified by Rebbe Chiya and Rebbe Oshiya are introduced by the words Tanu Rabanan. Other braysos are introduced with the word Tanya.



          Rama Mipano, Shu"s siman 25: Tanu Rabanan braysos are generally accepted by all Tannaim, Tanya braysos are the position of an individual.



          Professor Chanoch Elbek took issue with Rav sherira Gaon's principle because 1) The Talmud Yerushalmi does not use the term tanu Rabanan, only the term "tani", 2) Meseches Nedarim only uses the term tanya, not tanu Rabanan, 3) Braysos that are introduced by "tanu Rabanan" are then referred to using the term tanya. (From Professor Elbek's book Mavo LeTalmudim. You can see the excerpt here.)






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          Rav Sherira Gaon, in his letter: Braysa's that were verified by Rebbe Chiya and Rebbe Oshiya are introduced by the words Tanu Rabanan. Other braysos are introduced with the word Tanya.



          Rama Mipano, Shu"s siman 25: Tanu Rabanan braysos are generally accepted by all Tannaim, Tanya braysos are the position of an individual.



          Professor Chanoch Elbek took issue with Rav sherira Gaon's principle because 1) The Talmud Yerushalmi does not use the term tanu Rabanan, only the term "tani", 2) Meseches Nedarim only uses the term tanya, not tanu Rabanan, 3) Braysos that are introduced by "tanu Rabanan" are then referred to using the term tanya. (From Professor Elbek's book Mavo LeTalmudim. You can see the excerpt here.)







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          • Based on those problems (btw, posed by whom?), why isn’t the Rama Mipano’s opinion similarly challenged?
            – DonielF
            41 mins ago










          • @DonielF I updated the answer.
            – Gavriel
            28 mins ago
















          • Based on those problems (btw, posed by whom?), why isn’t the Rama Mipano’s opinion similarly challenged?
            – DonielF
            41 mins ago










          • @DonielF I updated the answer.
            – Gavriel
            28 mins ago















          Based on those problems (btw, posed by whom?), why isn’t the Rama Mipano’s opinion similarly challenged?
          – DonielF
          41 mins ago




          Based on those problems (btw, posed by whom?), why isn’t the Rama Mipano’s opinion similarly challenged?
          – DonielF
          41 mins ago












          @DonielF I updated the answer.
          – Gavriel
          28 mins ago




          @DonielF I updated the answer.
          – Gavriel
          28 mins ago


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