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Do I get copy of my opponents creature with helm of the host?
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I know I can't equip Helm of the host to my opponents creatures. The scenario I was wandering about was, if I somehow get control of my opponents Trostani Discordant, like with The Eldest Reborn, I equip it on my first mainstep. At the beginning of my combat step, I get another copy. In the endstep, Trostani triggers and my opponent gains control of it, still equipped with Helm. What happens next? I would think, that on my opponents combat step nothing happens (since I am the controller of the Helm), and that I get another copy on my combatstep, but I am not sure.
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I know I can't equip Helm of the host to my opponents creatures. The scenario I was wandering about was, if I somehow get control of my opponents Trostani Discordant, like with The Eldest Reborn, I equip it on my first mainstep. At the beginning of my combat step, I get another copy. In the endstep, Trostani triggers and my opponent gains control of it, still equipped with Helm. What happens next? I would think, that on my opponents combat step nothing happens (since I am the controller of the Helm), and that I get another copy on my combatstep, but I am not sure.
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I know I can't equip Helm of the host to my opponents creatures. The scenario I was wandering about was, if I somehow get control of my opponents Trostani Discordant, like with The Eldest Reborn, I equip it on my first mainstep. At the beginning of my combat step, I get another copy. In the endstep, Trostani triggers and my opponent gains control of it, still equipped with Helm. What happens next? I would think, that on my opponents combat step nothing happens (since I am the controller of the Helm), and that I get another copy on my combatstep, but I am not sure.
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I know I can't equip Helm of the host to my opponents creatures. The scenario I was wandering about was, if I somehow get control of my opponents Trostani Discordant, like with The Eldest Reborn, I equip it on my first mainstep. At the beginning of my combat step, I get another copy. In the endstep, Trostani triggers and my opponent gains control of it, still equipped with Helm. What happens next? I would think, that on my opponents combat step nothing happens (since I am the controller of the Helm), and that I get another copy on my combatstep, but I am not sure.
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Yes, that all works the way you expect. You will get copies of your opponent's creature at the beginning of your combat step.
The most relevant rule here is rule 301.5d:
An Equipment’s controller is separate from the equipped creature’s controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the creature doesn’t change control of the Equipment, and vice versa. Only the Equipment’s controller can activate its abilities. However, if the Equipment grants an ability to the equipped creature (with “gains†or “hasâ€Â), the equipped creature’s controller is the only one who can activate that ability.
So, even after you no longer control the creature, you still control the equipment and it stays atached to the creature.
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You are correct, you will get a copy of the creature on your combat step, and your opponent will not get one on theirs.
Helm of the Host doesn't have any restriction that you must be the controller of the equipped creature in order to get a copy of it. You, as the controller of the Helm, are the one that creates the creature token.
It doesn't matter that the token is a copy of a creature your opponent controls; you will be the controller (and owner) of the token:
110.2a If an effect instructs a player to put an object onto the battlefield, that object enters the battlefield under that player’s control unless the effect states otherwise.
110.5a The player who creates a token is its owner. The token enters the battlefield under that player’s control.
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Yes, that all works the way you expect. You will get copies of your opponent's creature at the beginning of your combat step.
The most relevant rule here is rule 301.5d:
An Equipment’s controller is separate from the equipped creature’s controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the creature doesn’t change control of the Equipment, and vice versa. Only the Equipment’s controller can activate its abilities. However, if the Equipment grants an ability to the equipped creature (with “gains†or “hasâ€Â), the equipped creature’s controller is the only one who can activate that ability.
So, even after you no longer control the creature, you still control the equipment and it stays atached to the creature.
answered 24 mins ago
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Yes, that all works the way you expect. You will get copies of your opponent's creature at the beginning of your combat step.
The most relevant rule here is rule 301.5d:
An Equipment’s controller is separate from the equipped creature’s controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the creature doesn’t change control of the Equipment, and vice versa. Only the Equipment’s controller can activate its abilities. However, if the Equipment grants an ability to the equipped creature (with “gains†or “hasâ€Â), the equipped creature’s controller is the only one who can activate that ability.
So, even after you no longer control the creature, you still control the equipment and it stays atached to the creature.
answered 24 mins ago
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Yes, that all works the way you expect. You will get copies of your opponent's creature at the beginning of your combat step.
The most relevant rule here is rule 301.5d:
An Equipment’s controller is separate from the equipped creature’s controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the creature doesn’t change control of the Equipment, and vice versa. Only the Equipment’s controller can activate its abilities. However, if the Equipment grants an ability to the equipped creature (with “gains†or “hasâ€Â), the equipped creature’s controller is the only one who can activate that ability.
So, even after you no longer control the creature, you still control the equipment and it stays atached to the creature.
answered 24 mins ago
murgatroid99♦
43.7k7105182
Yes, that all works the way you expect. You will get copies of your opponent's creature at the beginning of your combat step.
The most relevant rule here is rule 301.5d:
An Equipment’s controller is separate from the equipped creature’s controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the creature doesn’t change control of the Equipment, and vice versa. Only the Equipment’s controller can activate its abilities. However, if the Equipment grants an ability to the equipped creature (with “gains†or “hasâ€Â), the equipped creature’s controller is the only one who can activate that ability.
So, even after you no longer control the creature, you still control the equipment and it stays atached to the creature.
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You are correct, you will get a copy of the creature on your combat step, and your opponent will not get one on theirs.
Helm of the Host doesn't have any restriction that you must be the controller of the equipped creature in order to get a copy of it. You, as the controller of the Helm, are the one that creates the creature token.
It doesn't matter that the token is a copy of a creature your opponent controls; you will be the controller (and owner) of the token:
110.2a If an effect instructs a player to put an object onto the battlefield, that object enters the battlefield under that player’s control unless the effect states otherwise.
110.5a The player who creates a token is its owner. The token enters the battlefield under that player’s control.
answered 21 mins ago
GendoIkari
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You are correct, you will get a copy of the creature on your combat step, and your opponent will not get one on theirs.
Helm of the Host doesn't have any restriction that you must be the controller of the equipped creature in order to get a copy of it. You, as the controller of the Helm, are the one that creates the creature token.
It doesn't matter that the token is a copy of a creature your opponent controls; you will be the controller (and owner) of the token:
110.2a If an effect instructs a player to put an object onto the battlefield, that object enters the battlefield under that player’s control unless the effect states otherwise.
110.5a The player who creates a token is its owner. The token enters the battlefield under that player’s control.
answered 21 mins ago
GendoIkari
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You are correct, you will get a copy of the creature on your combat step, and your opponent will not get one on theirs.
Helm of the Host doesn't have any restriction that you must be the controller of the equipped creature in order to get a copy of it. You, as the controller of the Helm, are the one that creates the creature token.
It doesn't matter that the token is a copy of a creature your opponent controls; you will be the controller (and owner) of the token:
110.2a If an effect instructs a player to put an object onto the battlefield, that object enters the battlefield under that player’s control unless the effect states otherwise.
110.5a The player who creates a token is its owner. The token enters the battlefield under that player’s control.
answered 21 mins ago
GendoIkari
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You are correct, you will get a copy of the creature on your combat step, and your opponent will not get one on theirs.
Helm of the Host doesn't have any restriction that you must be the controller of the equipped creature in order to get a copy of it. You, as the controller of the Helm, are the one that creates the creature token.
It doesn't matter that the token is a copy of a creature your opponent controls; you will be the controller (and owner) of the token:
110.2a If an effect instructs a player to put an object onto the battlefield, that object enters the battlefield under that player’s control unless the effect states otherwise.
110.5a The player who creates a token is its owner. The token enters the battlefield under that player’s control.
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