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When Arabs talk about how great a person is, relative to others, they talk about the person's family (birth or descent, or nasab) and the person's or his family's achievements or attributes (hasab). So, someone who belongs to a great family with bright doctors and judges, for example, is said to be of noble descent. I'm struggling though to find an English word for hasab, i.e. for "the achievements or attributes of the individual and/or his family or ancestors".
The word can be used to shorten such a long question as: What qualities or great achievements do you or a family member have or had? One could answer: "I have a PhD, my father is a successful politician, and my grand grand grandmother was the first person to establish an orphanage in my town".
Hasab is derived from another word meaning calculation or counting. The idea was that Arabs, a long time ago, would compete against each other in terms of whose hasab was greater than others, and the competition involved each one of the competing group counting or listing all the things they prided themselves on.
Today, the pair hasab and nasab is most likely to be seen or uttered when a man asks for a woman's hand in marriage. The family of the woman would investigate or even ask the man directly about his hasab and nasab.
Some people would translate hasab as status. I think this translation may capture the essence of the Arabic word, but it misses the whole story.
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When Arabs talk about how great a person is, relative to others, they talk about the person's family (birth or descent, or nasab) and the person's or his family's achievements or attributes (hasab). So, someone who belongs to a great family with bright doctors and judges, for example, is said to be of noble descent. I'm struggling though to find an English word for hasab, i.e. for "the achievements or attributes of the individual and/or his family or ancestors".
The word can be used to shorten such a long question as: What qualities or great achievements do you or a family member have or had? One could answer: "I have a PhD, my father is a successful politician, and my grand grand grandmother was the first person to establish an orphanage in my town".
Hasab is derived from another word meaning calculation or counting. The idea was that Arabs, a long time ago, would compete against each other in terms of whose hasab was greater than others, and the competition involved each one of the competing group counting or listing all the things they prided themselves on.
Today, the pair hasab and nasab is most likely to be seen or uttered when a man asks for a woman's hand in marriage. The family of the woman would investigate or even ask the man directly about his hasab and nasab.
Some people would translate hasab as status. I think this translation may capture the essence of the Arabic word, but it misses the whole story.
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Just as Western civilisation has largely rejected the Old Testament (non-)ethical principle of blaming / punishing descendants for the sins of their ancestors, so we also tend to avoid according higher status to people whose ancestors did "good" things (a person's value lies in what they themselves think, say, and do, not what their parents did). You could refer to someone having an illustrious pedigree, for example. But don't assume all Westerners would necessarily hold that in high regard.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
We don't do either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a word for the concept. After all, it's a word inherited from long ago.
– Sara
5 hours ago
There might be a single-word term, but most likely it would be at least "dated" and/or likely to be used facetiously, and/or otherwise used somewhat differently from how it was in earlier times. We have expressions like from a noble family, with an impeccable family history, but personally I can't think of a single-word term for [current] high social status arising from ancestral heritage, rather than personal achievements. Except maybe high-born, but that certainly wouldn't command universal respect in most Western societies today.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
Hasab is just a catch-all term for all and everything you can pride yourself on regardless of who did them. I understand that people should only be judged on the quality of their actions or on who they are. I'm just looking for the best possible fit to include in a publication.
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When Arabs talk about how great a person is, relative to others, they talk about the person's family (birth or descent, or nasab) and the person's or his family's achievements or attributes (hasab). So, someone who belongs to a great family with bright doctors and judges, for example, is said to be of noble descent. I'm struggling though to find an English word for hasab, i.e. for "the achievements or attributes of the individual and/or his family or ancestors".
The word can be used to shorten such a long question as: What qualities or great achievements do you or a family member have or had? One could answer: "I have a PhD, my father is a successful politician, and my grand grand grandmother was the first person to establish an orphanage in my town".
Hasab is derived from another word meaning calculation or counting. The idea was that Arabs, a long time ago, would compete against each other in terms of whose hasab was greater than others, and the competition involved each one of the competing group counting or listing all the things they prided themselves on.
Today, the pair hasab and nasab is most likely to be seen or uttered when a man asks for a woman's hand in marriage. The family of the woman would investigate or even ask the man directly about his hasab and nasab.
Some people would translate hasab as status. I think this translation may capture the essence of the Arabic word, but it misses the whole story.
word-request phrase-request
asked 5 hours ago
Sara
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When Arabs talk about how great a person is, relative to others, they talk about the person's family (birth or descent, or nasab) and the person's or his family's achievements or attributes (hasab). So, someone who belongs to a great family with bright doctors and judges, for example, is said to be of noble descent. I'm struggling though to find an English word for hasab, i.e. for "the achievements or attributes of the individual and/or his family or ancestors".
The word can be used to shorten such a long question as: What qualities or great achievements do you or a family member have or had? One could answer: "I have a PhD, my father is a successful politician, and my grand grand grandmother was the first person to establish an orphanage in my town".
Hasab is derived from another word meaning calculation or counting. The idea was that Arabs, a long time ago, would compete against each other in terms of whose hasab was greater than others, and the competition involved each one of the competing group counting or listing all the things they prided themselves on.
Today, the pair hasab and nasab is most likely to be seen or uttered when a man asks for a woman's hand in marriage. The family of the woman would investigate or even ask the man directly about his hasab and nasab.
Some people would translate hasab as status. I think this translation may capture the essence of the Arabic word, but it misses the whole story.
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Just as Western civilisation has largely rejected the Old Testament (non-)ethical principle of blaming / punishing descendants for the sins of their ancestors, so we also tend to avoid according higher status to people whose ancestors did "good" things (a person's value lies in what they themselves think, say, and do, not what their parents did). You could refer to someone having an illustrious pedigree, for example. But don't assume all Westerners would necessarily hold that in high regard.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
We don't do either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a word for the concept. After all, it's a word inherited from long ago.
– Sara
5 hours ago
There might be a single-word term, but most likely it would be at least "dated" and/or likely to be used facetiously, and/or otherwise used somewhat differently from how it was in earlier times. We have expressions like from a noble family, with an impeccable family history, but personally I can't think of a single-word term for [current] high social status arising from ancestral heritage, rather than personal achievements. Except maybe high-born, but that certainly wouldn't command universal respect in most Western societies today.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
Hasab is just a catch-all term for all and everything you can pride yourself on regardless of who did them. I understand that people should only be judged on the quality of their actions or on who they are. I'm just looking for the best possible fit to include in a publication.
– Sara
4 hours ago
add a comment |Â
Just as Western civilisation has largely rejected the Old Testament (non-)ethical principle of blaming / punishing descendants for the sins of their ancestors, so we also tend to avoid according higher status to people whose ancestors did "good" things (a person's value lies in what they themselves think, say, and do, not what their parents did). You could refer to someone having an illustrious pedigree, for example. But don't assume all Westerners would necessarily hold that in high regard.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
We don't do either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a word for the concept. After all, it's a word inherited from long ago.
– Sara
5 hours ago
There might be a single-word term, but most likely it would be at least "dated" and/or likely to be used facetiously, and/or otherwise used somewhat differently from how it was in earlier times. We have expressions like from a noble family, with an impeccable family history, but personally I can't think of a single-word term for [current] high social status arising from ancestral heritage, rather than personal achievements. Except maybe high-born, but that certainly wouldn't command universal respect in most Western societies today.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
Hasab is just a catch-all term for all and everything you can pride yourself on regardless of who did them. I understand that people should only be judged on the quality of their actions or on who they are. I'm just looking for the best possible fit to include in a publication.
– Sara
4 hours ago
Just as Western civilisation has largely rejected the Old Testament (non-)ethical principle of blaming / punishing descendants for the sins of their ancestors, so we also tend to avoid according higher status to people whose ancestors did "good" things (a person's value lies in what they themselves think, say, and do, not what their parents did). You could refer to someone having an illustrious pedigree, for example. But don't assume all Westerners would necessarily hold that in high regard.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
Just as Western civilisation has largely rejected the Old Testament (non-)ethical principle of blaming / punishing descendants for the sins of their ancestors, so we also tend to avoid according higher status to people whose ancestors did "good" things (a person's value lies in what they themselves think, say, and do, not what their parents did). You could refer to someone having an illustrious pedigree, for example. But don't assume all Westerners would necessarily hold that in high regard.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
We don't do either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a word for the concept. After all, it's a word inherited from long ago.
– Sara
5 hours ago
We don't do either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a word for the concept. After all, it's a word inherited from long ago.
– Sara
5 hours ago
There might be a single-word term, but most likely it would be at least "dated" and/or likely to be used facetiously, and/or otherwise used somewhat differently from how it was in earlier times. We have expressions like from a noble family, with an impeccable family history, but personally I can't think of a single-word term for [current] high social status arising from ancestral heritage, rather than personal achievements. Except maybe high-born, but that certainly wouldn't command universal respect in most Western societies today.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
There might be a single-word term, but most likely it would be at least "dated" and/or likely to be used facetiously, and/or otherwise used somewhat differently from how it was in earlier times. We have expressions like from a noble family, with an impeccable family history, but personally I can't think of a single-word term for [current] high social status arising from ancestral heritage, rather than personal achievements. Except maybe high-born, but that certainly wouldn't command universal respect in most Western societies today.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
Hasab is just a catch-all term for all and everything you can pride yourself on regardless of who did them. I understand that people should only be judged on the quality of their actions or on who they are. I'm just looking for the best possible fit to include in a publication.
– Sara
4 hours ago
Hasab is just a catch-all term for all and everything you can pride yourself on regardless of who did them. I understand that people should only be judged on the quality of their actions or on who they are. I'm just looking for the best possible fit to include in a publication.
– Sara
4 hours ago
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The best approximation I can think of is
You and your family's legacy.
It's often only used at the end of someone's life, when considering a future after they are deceased, though.
Another idea is
Your family's heritage.
This refers to the reputation, wealth, example, and anything else you got from your family's prior achievements, but does not refer to your achievements. If anything it implies that a lot is to be expected from you.
In the case of a marriage or trying to impress someone generally, I think you will need to use two concepts
His accomplishments and family heritage.
Or possibly
His and his family's notoriety and reputation.
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
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+1 I was thinking of answering with legacy myself when I noticed you had already provided this answer.
– Jason Bassford
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Another possibility is pedigree:
[Merriam-Webster]
1 : a register recording a line of ancestors
// The pedigree traces the family back to the 18th century.
2a : an ancestral line : LINEAGE
// That horse has an impressive pedigree.
b : the origin and the history of something
// Democracy's pedigree stretches back to ancient Greece.
broadly : BACKGROUND, HISTORY
3a : a distinguished ancestry
// actions spoke louder than pedigrees in the trenches
—Dixon Wecter
b : the recorded purity of breed of an individual or strain
// vouch for a horse's pedigree
Although I am more used to hearing it in the context of animals, I am certainly not unaware of its use with respect to people and "what they bring to the table" in terms of family achievement and social class.
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The best approximation I can think of is
You and your family's legacy.
It's often only used at the end of someone's life, when considering a future after they are deceased, though.
Another idea is
Your family's heritage.
This refers to the reputation, wealth, example, and anything else you got from your family's prior achievements, but does not refer to your achievements. If anything it implies that a lot is to be expected from you.
In the case of a marriage or trying to impress someone generally, I think you will need to use two concepts
His accomplishments and family heritage.
Or possibly
His and his family's notoriety and reputation.
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
1,909114
+1 I was thinking of answering with legacy myself when I noticed you had already provided this answer.
– Jason Bassford
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
The best approximation I can think of is
You and your family's legacy.
It's often only used at the end of someone's life, when considering a future after they are deceased, though.
Another idea is
Your family's heritage.
This refers to the reputation, wealth, example, and anything else you got from your family's prior achievements, but does not refer to your achievements. If anything it implies that a lot is to be expected from you.
In the case of a marriage or trying to impress someone generally, I think you will need to use two concepts
His accomplishments and family heritage.
Or possibly
His and his family's notoriety and reputation.
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
1,909114
+1 I was thinking of answering with legacy myself when I noticed you had already provided this answer.
– Jason Bassford
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
The best approximation I can think of is
You and your family's legacy.
It's often only used at the end of someone's life, when considering a future after they are deceased, though.
Another idea is
Your family's heritage.
This refers to the reputation, wealth, example, and anything else you got from your family's prior achievements, but does not refer to your achievements. If anything it implies that a lot is to be expected from you.
In the case of a marriage or trying to impress someone generally, I think you will need to use two concepts
His accomplishments and family heritage.
Or possibly
His and his family's notoriety and reputation.
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
1,909114
The best approximation I can think of is
You and your family's legacy.
It's often only used at the end of someone's life, when considering a future after they are deceased, though.
Another idea is
Your family's heritage.
This refers to the reputation, wealth, example, and anything else you got from your family's prior achievements, but does not refer to your achievements. If anything it implies that a lot is to be expected from you.
In the case of a marriage or trying to impress someone generally, I think you will need to use two concepts
His accomplishments and family heritage.
Or possibly
His and his family's notoriety and reputation.
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
1,909114
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
1,909114
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
1,909114
answered 2 hours ago
farnsy
1,909114
1,909114
+1 I was thinking of answering with legacy myself when I noticed you had already provided this answer.
– Jason Bassford
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
+1 I was thinking of answering with legacy myself when I noticed you had already provided this answer.
– Jason Bassford
8 mins ago
+1 I was thinking of answering with legacy myself when I noticed you had already provided this answer.
– Jason Bassford
8 mins ago
+1 I was thinking of answering with legacy myself when I noticed you had already provided this answer.
– Jason Bassford
8 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Another possibility is pedigree:
[Merriam-Webster]
1 : a register recording a line of ancestors
// The pedigree traces the family back to the 18th century.
2a : an ancestral line : LINEAGE
// That horse has an impressive pedigree.
b : the origin and the history of something
// Democracy's pedigree stretches back to ancient Greece.
broadly : BACKGROUND, HISTORY
3a : a distinguished ancestry
// actions spoke louder than pedigrees in the trenches
—Dixon Wecter
b : the recorded purity of breed of an individual or strain
// vouch for a horse's pedigree
Although I am more used to hearing it in the context of animals, I am certainly not unaware of its use with respect to people and "what they bring to the table" in terms of family achievement and social class.
answered 1 min ago
Jason Bassford
9,7451929
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Another possibility is pedigree:
[Merriam-Webster]
1 : a register recording a line of ancestors
// The pedigree traces the family back to the 18th century.
2a : an ancestral line : LINEAGE
// That horse has an impressive pedigree.
b : the origin and the history of something
// Democracy's pedigree stretches back to ancient Greece.
broadly : BACKGROUND, HISTORY
3a : a distinguished ancestry
// actions spoke louder than pedigrees in the trenches
—Dixon Wecter
b : the recorded purity of breed of an individual or strain
// vouch for a horse's pedigree
Although I am more used to hearing it in the context of animals, I am certainly not unaware of its use with respect to people and "what they bring to the table" in terms of family achievement and social class.
answered 1 min ago
Jason Bassford
9,7451929
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Another possibility is pedigree:
[Merriam-Webster]
1 : a register recording a line of ancestors
// The pedigree traces the family back to the 18th century.
2a : an ancestral line : LINEAGE
// That horse has an impressive pedigree.
b : the origin and the history of something
// Democracy's pedigree stretches back to ancient Greece.
broadly : BACKGROUND, HISTORY
3a : a distinguished ancestry
// actions spoke louder than pedigrees in the trenches
—Dixon Wecter
b : the recorded purity of breed of an individual or strain
// vouch for a horse's pedigree
Although I am more used to hearing it in the context of animals, I am certainly not unaware of its use with respect to people and "what they bring to the table" in terms of family achievement and social class.
answered 1 min ago
Jason Bassford
9,7451929
Another possibility is pedigree:
[Merriam-Webster]
1 : a register recording a line of ancestors
// The pedigree traces the family back to the 18th century.
2a : an ancestral line : LINEAGE
// That horse has an impressive pedigree.
b : the origin and the history of something
// Democracy's pedigree stretches back to ancient Greece.
broadly : BACKGROUND, HISTORY
3a : a distinguished ancestry
// actions spoke louder than pedigrees in the trenches
—Dixon Wecter
b : the recorded purity of breed of an individual or strain
// vouch for a horse's pedigree
Although I am more used to hearing it in the context of animals, I am certainly not unaware of its use with respect to people and "what they bring to the table" in terms of family achievement and social class.
answered 1 min ago
Jason Bassford
9,7451929
answered 1 min ago
Jason Bassford
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Just as Western civilisation has largely rejected the Old Testament (non-)ethical principle of blaming / punishing descendants for the sins of their ancestors, so we also tend to avoid according higher status to people whose ancestors did "good" things (a person's value lies in what they themselves think, say, and do, not what their parents did). You could refer to someone having an illustrious pedigree, for example. But don't assume all Westerners would necessarily hold that in high regard.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
We don't do either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a word for the concept. After all, it's a word inherited from long ago.
– Sara
5 hours ago
There might be a single-word term, but most likely it would be at least "dated" and/or likely to be used facetiously, and/or otherwise used somewhat differently from how it was in earlier times. We have expressions like from a noble family, with an impeccable family history, but personally I can't think of a single-word term for [current] high social status arising from ancestral heritage, rather than personal achievements. Except maybe high-born, but that certainly wouldn't command universal respect in most Western societies today.
– FumbleFingers
5 hours ago
Hasab is just a catch-all term for all and everything you can pride yourself on regardless of who did them. I understand that people should only be judged on the quality of their actions or on who they are. I'm just looking for the best possible fit to include in a publication.
– Sara
4 hours ago