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I'm looking into upgrading my heated bed and replacing it with a silicone bed. I know nearly nothing about electronics, so I would like someone more knowledgeable to confirm if what I have theorized is correct or I'm going to burn my house down trying it.
Basically, I'm considering setting up a 200W@12V heater, and I am using this premium ramps, which reportedly has Toshiba TK72E12N1, S1X MOSFETs.
I did some basic math following Tom's guide, if that is correct, I would be pulling 16A current. Assuming I plug the heatbed directly to the ramps, that would mean the mosfets are losing approximately (considering 20% more resistance than the datasheet says as per Tom's advice) about 1.2W, which means the mosfet would heat up about 100C above room temperature, so the total temp would be around 125C, which is bellow the graded 150C in the sheet.
According to this math, I'm thinking I can just plug that heater to my ramps without any issues. Should this cause any issues? Will it set a fire or melt down something? Anything else I should consider?
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I'm looking into upgrading my heated bed and replacing it with a silicone bed. I know nearly nothing about electronics, so I would like someone more knowledgeable to confirm if what I have theorized is correct or I'm going to burn my house down trying it.
Basically, I'm considering setting up a 200W@12V heater, and I am using this premium ramps, which reportedly has Toshiba TK72E12N1, S1X MOSFETs.
I did some basic math following Tom's guide, if that is correct, I would be pulling 16A current. Assuming I plug the heatbed directly to the ramps, that would mean the mosfets are losing approximately (considering 20% more resistance than the datasheet says as per Tom's advice) about 1.2W, which means the mosfet would heat up about 100C above room temperature, so the total temp would be around 125C, which is bellow the graded 150C in the sheet.
According to this math, I'm thinking I can just plug that heater to my ramps without any issues. Should this cause any issues? Will it set a fire or melt down something? Anything else I should consider?
heated-bed ramps-1.4 safety cooling
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I'm looking into upgrading my heated bed and replacing it with a silicone bed. I know nearly nothing about electronics, so I would like someone more knowledgeable to confirm if what I have theorized is correct or I'm going to burn my house down trying it.
Basically, I'm considering setting up a 200W@12V heater, and I am using this premium ramps, which reportedly has Toshiba TK72E12N1, S1X MOSFETs.
I did some basic math following Tom's guide, if that is correct, I would be pulling 16A current. Assuming I plug the heatbed directly to the ramps, that would mean the mosfets are losing approximately (considering 20% more resistance than the datasheet says as per Tom's advice) about 1.2W, which means the mosfet would heat up about 100C above room temperature, so the total temp would be around 125C, which is bellow the graded 150C in the sheet.
According to this math, I'm thinking I can just plug that heater to my ramps without any issues. Should this cause any issues? Will it set a fire or melt down something? Anything else I should consider?
heated-bed ramps-1.4 safety cooling
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I'm looking into upgrading my heated bed and replacing it with a silicone bed. I know nearly nothing about electronics, so I would like someone more knowledgeable to confirm if what I have theorized is correct or I'm going to burn my house down trying it.
Basically, I'm considering setting up a 200W@12V heater, and I am using this premium ramps, which reportedly has Toshiba TK72E12N1, S1X MOSFETs.
I did some basic math following Tom's guide, if that is correct, I would be pulling 16A current. Assuming I plug the heatbed directly to the ramps, that would mean the mosfets are losing approximately (considering 20% more resistance than the datasheet says as per Tom's advice) about 1.2W, which means the mosfet would heat up about 100C above room temperature, so the total temp would be around 125C, which is bellow the graded 150C in the sheet.
According to this math, I'm thinking I can just plug that heater to my ramps without any issues. Should this cause any issues? Will it set a fire or melt down something? Anything else I should consider?
heated-bed ramps-1.4 safety cooling
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The heated bed port on your board has a 11A fuse. It will not work for a heated bed requiring 16A of current, no matter how good the MOSFETs might be. Note that the terminal block might also not be rated for that much current. You'd have to check, because often it is not the MOSFET itself that catches fire but the wiring or terminal blocks.
Also, keep in mind RAMPS only drives the gate with 5V. The value specified in the datasheet (for 10V) plus 20% is probably a bit optimistic. The datasheet doesn't specify the resistance at 5V, so you're guessing at what the resistance might be. Since you're already running the part quite close to its limits, and considering ambient temperature might rise above 25C, I'd be cautious. The designers of that board only intended it for use at 11A, probably with good reason...
answered 1 hour ago
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Addendum: One might get away with more load if one uses a larger heatsink and a board cooling fan, but even that won't stop an 11 A fuse from blowing under 16 A load. Replacing fuses with higher rated ones or shorting them is a fire that just waits to happen.
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The heated bed port on your board has a 11A fuse. It will not work for a heated bed requiring 16A of current, no matter how good the MOSFETs might be. Note that the terminal block might also not be rated for that much current. You'd have to check, because often it is not the MOSFET itself that catches fire but the wiring or terminal blocks.
Also, keep in mind RAMPS only drives the gate with 5V. The value specified in the datasheet (for 10V) plus 20% is probably a bit optimistic. The datasheet doesn't specify the resistance at 5V, so you're guessing at what the resistance might be. Since you're already running the part quite close to its limits, and considering ambient temperature might rise above 25C, I'd be cautious. The designers of that board only intended it for use at 11A, probably with good reason...
answered 1 hour ago
Tom van der Zanden
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Addendum: One might get away with more load if one uses a larger heatsink and a board cooling fan, but even that won't stop an 11 A fuse from blowing under 16 A load. Replacing fuses with higher rated ones or shorting them is a fire that just waits to happen.
– Trish
1 hour ago
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The heated bed port on your board has a 11A fuse. It will not work for a heated bed requiring 16A of current, no matter how good the MOSFETs might be. Note that the terminal block might also not be rated for that much current. You'd have to check, because often it is not the MOSFET itself that catches fire but the wiring or terminal blocks.
Also, keep in mind RAMPS only drives the gate with 5V. The value specified in the datasheet (for 10V) plus 20% is probably a bit optimistic. The datasheet doesn't specify the resistance at 5V, so you're guessing at what the resistance might be. Since you're already running the part quite close to its limits, and considering ambient temperature might rise above 25C, I'd be cautious. The designers of that board only intended it for use at 11A, probably with good reason...
answered 1 hour ago
Tom van der Zanden
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Addendum: One might get away with more load if one uses a larger heatsink and a board cooling fan, but even that won't stop an 11 A fuse from blowing under 16 A load. Replacing fuses with higher rated ones or shorting them is a fire that just waits to happen.
– Trish
1 hour ago
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The heated bed port on your board has a 11A fuse. It will not work for a heated bed requiring 16A of current, no matter how good the MOSFETs might be. Note that the terminal block might also not be rated for that much current. You'd have to check, because often it is not the MOSFET itself that catches fire but the wiring or terminal blocks.
Also, keep in mind RAMPS only drives the gate with 5V. The value specified in the datasheet (for 10V) plus 20% is probably a bit optimistic. The datasheet doesn't specify the resistance at 5V, so you're guessing at what the resistance might be. Since you're already running the part quite close to its limits, and considering ambient temperature might rise above 25C, I'd be cautious. The designers of that board only intended it for use at 11A, probably with good reason...
answered 1 hour ago
Tom van der Zanden
10.3k11643
The heated bed port on your board has a 11A fuse. It will not work for a heated bed requiring 16A of current, no matter how good the MOSFETs might be. Note that the terminal block might also not be rated for that much current. You'd have to check, because often it is not the MOSFET itself that catches fire but the wiring or terminal blocks.
Also, keep in mind RAMPS only drives the gate with 5V. The value specified in the datasheet (for 10V) plus 20% is probably a bit optimistic. The datasheet doesn't specify the resistance at 5V, so you're guessing at what the resistance might be. Since you're already running the part quite close to its limits, and considering ambient temperature might rise above 25C, I'd be cautious. The designers of that board only intended it for use at 11A, probably with good reason...
answered 1 hour ago
Tom van der Zanden
10.3k11643
answered 1 hour ago
Tom van der Zanden
10.3k11643
answered 1 hour ago
Tom van der Zanden
10.3k11643
answered 1 hour ago
Tom van der Zanden
10.3k11643
10.3k11643
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Addendum: One might get away with more load if one uses a larger heatsink and a board cooling fan, but even that won't stop an 11 A fuse from blowing under 16 A load. Replacing fuses with higher rated ones or shorting them is a fire that just waits to happen.
– Trish
1 hour ago
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Addendum: One might get away with more load if one uses a larger heatsink and a board cooling fan, but even that won't stop an 11 A fuse from blowing under 16 A load. Replacing fuses with higher rated ones or shorting them is a fire that just waits to happen.
– Trish
1 hour ago
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Addendum: One might get away with more load if one uses a larger heatsink and a board cooling fan, but even that won't stop an 11 A fuse from blowing under 16 A load. Replacing fuses with higher rated ones or shorting them is a fire that just waits to happen.
– Trish
1 hour ago
Addendum: One might get away with more load if one uses a larger heatsink and a board cooling fan, but even that won't stop an 11 A fuse from blowing under 16 A load. Replacing fuses with higher rated ones or shorting them is a fire that just waits to happen.
– Trish
1 hour ago
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