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So I'm thinking of increasing my Internet connection by 40Â Mbit/s, also doubling it. This is because in the furthest corners in my apartment I have 1Â Mbit/s. So when I increase will I get 41Â Mbit/s or 2Â Mbit/s in those areas?
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So I'm thinking of increasing my Internet connection by 40Â Mbit/s, also doubling it. This is because in the furthest corners in my apartment I have 1Â Mbit/s. So when I increase will I get 41Â Mbit/s or 2Â Mbit/s in those areas?
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You will likely still get 1Mbps in that location... Even if you increase your internet speeds to 1Gbps, you will only likely only get 1Mbps in that location. This is a WiFi issue, not a internet speed issue.
– acejavelin
yesterday
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I don't understand this at all, there must be some hidden variables you don't mention. What do you mean by "increasing my internet"? Is that the listed speed from your ISP? And "furthest corner", are you using WiFi? What kind of wifi setup do you have? Is the wifi router supplied by your ISP?
– pipe
13 hours ago
I'm more curious how big your apartment is and what kind of WiFi gear you have that you're only getting 1mb in the 'furthest reaches' .. I think you need to get whatever gear my neighbors have since I have no problem getting their signal in the far reaches of my house (or the park across the street for that matter).
– txtechhelp
3 hours ago
@txtechhelp It's quite common actually. We had one where the signal was lost completely 20 feet laterally 1 floor up. Our current one gets less than 1Mbps at a similar distance. Maybe it is the difference between old and/or cheap equipment as opposed to new and expensive equipment. Our WiFi, by the way, is rated much higher and we get much higher when standing next to it. But it is very slow and choppy farther away.
– Aaron
2 hours ago
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Interference from neighbors will wreak havoc with your speeds in apartment buildings. There are too many competing access points in such spaces.
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So I'm thinking of increasing my Internet connection by 40Â Mbit/s, also doubling it. This is because in the furthest corners in my apartment I have 1Â Mbit/s. So when I increase will I get 41Â Mbit/s or 2Â Mbit/s in those areas?
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So I'm thinking of increasing my Internet connection by 40Â Mbit/s, also doubling it. This is because in the furthest corners in my apartment I have 1Â Mbit/s. So when I increase will I get 41Â Mbit/s or 2Â Mbit/s in those areas?
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You will likely still get 1Mbps in that location... Even if you increase your internet speeds to 1Gbps, you will only likely only get 1Mbps in that location. This is a WiFi issue, not a internet speed issue.
– acejavelin
yesterday
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I don't understand this at all, there must be some hidden variables you don't mention. What do you mean by "increasing my internet"? Is that the listed speed from your ISP? And "furthest corner", are you using WiFi? What kind of wifi setup do you have? Is the wifi router supplied by your ISP?
– pipe
13 hours ago
I'm more curious how big your apartment is and what kind of WiFi gear you have that you're only getting 1mb in the 'furthest reaches' .. I think you need to get whatever gear my neighbors have since I have no problem getting their signal in the far reaches of my house (or the park across the street for that matter).
– txtechhelp
3 hours ago
@txtechhelp It's quite common actually. We had one where the signal was lost completely 20 feet laterally 1 floor up. Our current one gets less than 1Mbps at a similar distance. Maybe it is the difference between old and/or cheap equipment as opposed to new and expensive equipment. Our WiFi, by the way, is rated much higher and we get much higher when standing next to it. But it is very slow and choppy farther away.
– Aaron
2 hours ago
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Interference from neighbors will wreak havoc with your speeds in apartment buildings. There are too many competing access points in such spaces.
– Brian
36 mins ago
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You will likely still get 1Mbps in that location... Even if you increase your internet speeds to 1Gbps, you will only likely only get 1Mbps in that location. This is a WiFi issue, not a internet speed issue.
– acejavelin
yesterday
3
I don't understand this at all, there must be some hidden variables you don't mention. What do you mean by "increasing my internet"? Is that the listed speed from your ISP? And "furthest corner", are you using WiFi? What kind of wifi setup do you have? Is the wifi router supplied by your ISP?
– pipe
13 hours ago
I'm more curious how big your apartment is and what kind of WiFi gear you have that you're only getting 1mb in the 'furthest reaches' .. I think you need to get whatever gear my neighbors have since I have no problem getting their signal in the far reaches of my house (or the park across the street for that matter).
– txtechhelp
3 hours ago
@txtechhelp It's quite common actually. We had one where the signal was lost completely 20 feet laterally 1 floor up. Our current one gets less than 1Mbps at a similar distance. Maybe it is the difference between old and/or cheap equipment as opposed to new and expensive equipment. Our WiFi, by the way, is rated much higher and we get much higher when standing next to it. But it is very slow and choppy farther away.
– Aaron
2 hours ago
1
Interference from neighbors will wreak havoc with your speeds in apartment buildings. There are too many competing access points in such spaces.
– Brian
36 mins ago
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You will likely still get 1Mbps in that location... Even if you increase your internet speeds to 1Gbps, you will only likely only get 1Mbps in that location. This is a WiFi issue, not a internet speed issue.
– acejavelin
yesterday
You will likely still get 1Mbps in that location... Even if you increase your internet speeds to 1Gbps, you will only likely only get 1Mbps in that location. This is a WiFi issue, not a internet speed issue.
– acejavelin
yesterday
3
3
I don't understand this at all, there must be some hidden variables you don't mention. What do you mean by "increasing my internet"? Is that the listed speed from your ISP? And "furthest corner", are you using WiFi? What kind of wifi setup do you have? Is the wifi router supplied by your ISP?
– pipe
13 hours ago
I don't understand this at all, there must be some hidden variables you don't mention. What do you mean by "increasing my internet"? Is that the listed speed from your ISP? And "furthest corner", are you using WiFi? What kind of wifi setup do you have? Is the wifi router supplied by your ISP?
– pipe
13 hours ago
I'm more curious how big your apartment is and what kind of WiFi gear you have that you're only getting 1mb in the 'furthest reaches' .. I think you need to get whatever gear my neighbors have since I have no problem getting their signal in the far reaches of my house (or the park across the street for that matter).
– txtechhelp
3 hours ago
I'm more curious how big your apartment is and what kind of WiFi gear you have that you're only getting 1mb in the 'furthest reaches' .. I think you need to get whatever gear my neighbors have since I have no problem getting their signal in the far reaches of my house (or the park across the street for that matter).
– txtechhelp
3 hours ago
@txtechhelp It's quite common actually. We had one where the signal was lost completely 20 feet laterally 1 floor up. Our current one gets less than 1Mbps at a similar distance. Maybe it is the difference between old and/or cheap equipment as opposed to new and expensive equipment. Our WiFi, by the way, is rated much higher and we get much higher when standing next to it. But it is very slow and choppy farther away.
– Aaron
2 hours ago
@txtechhelp It's quite common actually. We had one where the signal was lost completely 20 feet laterally 1 floor up. Our current one gets less than 1Mbps at a similar distance. Maybe it is the difference between old and/or cheap equipment as opposed to new and expensive equipment. Our WiFi, by the way, is rated much higher and we get much higher when standing next to it. But it is very slow and choppy farther away.
– Aaron
2 hours ago
1
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Interference from neighbors will wreak havoc with your speeds in apartment buildings. There are too many competing access points in such spaces.
– Brian
36 mins ago
Interference from neighbors will wreak havoc with your speeds in apartment buildings. There are too many competing access points in such spaces.
– Brian
36 mins ago
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If you increase your WAN speed, your WiFi will stay the same bottleneck it is now. To improve speed "in the furthest corners" you need to improve WiFi connectivity first.
Your water tap is somewhat clogged. It won't matter if you double the cross section of the pipe to the waterworks, until you fix the tap. Similar situation.
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The water analogy doesn't truly work as doubling the water pressure would indeed double the amount of water flowing from the tap.
– JonathanReez
15 hours ago
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@JonathanReez How do you double the pressure? I'm talking about doubling the pipe. You don't get double voltage just by using a thicker wire to your electric outlet. Similarly you don't get double pressure just by using a thicker pipe.
– Kamil Maciorowski
14 hours ago
If you don't like the water example, imagine you want a really strong 100 link chain. The supplies you can buy (for whatever contrived reason you prefer) are 25 titanium links, 50 stainless steel links, and 25 rusty iron links. After you put your chain together you notice it breaks rather easily, you don't go upgrade the steal links to titanium while still maintaining the rusty iron links.
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Just for clarity there are two links / connections here, not one:
- From your ISP to your house.
- It has bandwidth of 40 Mbit/s
- From your router to the WiFi device(s) "in the furthest corners of your apartment"
- It has bandwidth of 1 Mbit/s
The bottleneck here is link #2.
Doubling the speed of link #1 will not affect link #2 at all, unless you reduce it to less than the speed of link #2 (at which point, link #1 will become the bottleneck).
Think of it like pipes (as per Kamil's answer), or roads...
A highway / motorway might have 3 lanes in each direction, while a back road will have one lane for both directions with passing places. You can't get more cars down that back road by making the motorway leading up to it larger.
In this situation you want to look into moving your WiFi access point (often built into the router), or if that isn't possible, look into getting WiFi range extenders. Another option could be to purchase high gain antenna(s), but please check that the router or device can swap it's antenna first.
If the 40 Mbit/s connection is adequate for everything you need, there is no reason to upgrade that link - it won't help with this problem. If you have been advised that it will help, then unfortunately that advice was incorrect.
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Then, there's the tinfoil hat theory: tomsguide.com/us/aluminum-foil-wi-fi-extension,news-26097.html
– K7AAY
23 hours ago
would increasing the power to the antenna potentially help? Although this runs into regulatory concerns depending on the location and power.
– PeterL
22 hours ago
Potentially, or getting a high-gain antenna... if your devices have removable antennae. I've update my answer.
– Attie
22 hours ago
1
@Attie high-gains antennas may lead to your radiated power exceeding the allowed limits, depending on the TX power setting, the frequency, and the region.
– jcaron
21 hours ago
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@PeterL No. increasing transmit power would work for broadcast, like TV, but wifi is not a broadcast it's 2-directional communication. You need to increase power to the router wifi antenna AND to your phone wifi antenna just the same. Otherwise, your phone will hear the router, but the router won't hear back. If you're thinking about high-gain antenna, it could help because the gain works for both transmit and receive. But this gain doesn't come for free - high gain vs low-gain antennae is sniper vs shotgun. You get more power when you aim it well, but then you sidestep and you get even less.
– Agent_L
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To answer your question, it increases mostly rationally (the latter) - if you imagine it as waves bouncing around your house, an increase by 20% just means that the signal is 20% stronger to get through walls, etc. What it is near the router means nothing, since it still has to travel through the air!
However, this is not perfect either, as when it travels we can't imagine that no energy is absorbed by the surroundings, but the absorption doesn't increase rationally. So I'd estimate it would go from around 1mbps to 1.8mbps, although it may vary.
It may just be wiser to consider wireless boosters; they're only $20-30 (depending on what router and ISP you use) or buying a better router. Increasing what comes out of the socket may be useful to some extent, but it's a waste of money compared to buying a stronger router, which will not increase your maximum internet speed (i.e when you are next to the router, the speed will be the same as before), but it will extend the range in which the signal is usable. TPLink makes good ones for $70; they generally have 4+ 3-axis flexible antennas, meaning you can push the signal in multiple directions.
Hope this helped.
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Internet Boosters are snake oil. Please do not suggest that anyone actually spend money on software, that claims to increase your download speeds, the magicial software unicorns you describe do not exist.
– Ramhound
yesterday
3
I mean physical boosters, which have super-strong receivers and re-transmit signal. We got a pair and they work fine; you can hook them up with Ethernet-in from the router, and they just act as a second transmitter. See: amazon.co.uk/dp/B005O7ZUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9ROSBb4RBTWQF (this is an expensive one, but you can find perfectly functional ones for around £15 on eBay or Amazon).
– Geza Kerecsenyi
yesterday
2
Your first two paragraphs are incorrect. They would only be increasing the connection speed at the access point. Without signal boosters, the strength of the wireless signal would still the be exact same at the furthest corners, therefore not improving upload/download speeds.
– DrZoo
23 hours ago
6
It won't increase though. Increasing the bandwidth you're allowed from your network to your ISP's network doesn't increase the voltage going to your router's antenna. Furthermore, what's near the router does matter, since radio doesn't perfectly penetrate everything - a clear line-of-sight between router & client will be vastly better than one through a dozen plaster walls suffused with varying kinds of conduit & wiring. The router is 100% not transmitting at 20mbps, it's transmitting at ~2.4 or ~5 GHz, and changing the traffic your router can send/receive from the ISP doesn't change that.
– Delioth
23 hours ago
4
@Acccumulation - Nearly every item on that page is either a “Range Extenders†or a “network extenderâ€Â. The author originally suggested a “internet booster†they later modified their answer to clarify what they meant.
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If you increase your WAN speed, your WiFi will stay the same bottleneck it is now. To improve speed "in the furthest corners" you need to improve WiFi connectivity first.
Your water tap is somewhat clogged. It won't matter if you double the cross section of the pipe to the waterworks, until you fix the tap. Similar situation.
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Kamil Maciorowski
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The water analogy doesn't truly work as doubling the water pressure would indeed double the amount of water flowing from the tap.
– JonathanReez
15 hours ago
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@JonathanReez How do you double the pressure? I'm talking about doubling the pipe. You don't get double voltage just by using a thicker wire to your electric outlet. Similarly you don't get double pressure just by using a thicker pipe.
– Kamil Maciorowski
14 hours ago
If you don't like the water example, imagine you want a really strong 100 link chain. The supplies you can buy (for whatever contrived reason you prefer) are 25 titanium links, 50 stainless steel links, and 25 rusty iron links. After you put your chain together you notice it breaks rather easily, you don't go upgrade the steal links to titanium while still maintaining the rusty iron links.
– Dean MacGregor
1 hour ago
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up vote
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If you increase your WAN speed, your WiFi will stay the same bottleneck it is now. To improve speed "in the furthest corners" you need to improve WiFi connectivity first.
Your water tap is somewhat clogged. It won't matter if you double the cross section of the pipe to the waterworks, until you fix the tap. Similar situation.
answered yesterday
Kamil Maciorowski
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The water analogy doesn't truly work as doubling the water pressure would indeed double the amount of water flowing from the tap.
– JonathanReez
15 hours ago
27
@JonathanReez How do you double the pressure? I'm talking about doubling the pipe. You don't get double voltage just by using a thicker wire to your electric outlet. Similarly you don't get double pressure just by using a thicker pipe.
– Kamil Maciorowski
14 hours ago
If you don't like the water example, imagine you want a really strong 100 link chain. The supplies you can buy (for whatever contrived reason you prefer) are 25 titanium links, 50 stainless steel links, and 25 rusty iron links. After you put your chain together you notice it breaks rather easily, you don't go upgrade the steal links to titanium while still maintaining the rusty iron links.
– Dean MacGregor
1 hour ago
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up vote
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If you increase your WAN speed, your WiFi will stay the same bottleneck it is now. To improve speed "in the furthest corners" you need to improve WiFi connectivity first.
Your water tap is somewhat clogged. It won't matter if you double the cross section of the pipe to the waterworks, until you fix the tap. Similar situation.
answered yesterday
Kamil Maciorowski
20.6k144869
If you increase your WAN speed, your WiFi will stay the same bottleneck it is now. To improve speed "in the furthest corners" you need to improve WiFi connectivity first.
Your water tap is somewhat clogged. It won't matter if you double the cross section of the pipe to the waterworks, until you fix the tap. Similar situation.
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The water analogy doesn't truly work as doubling the water pressure would indeed double the amount of water flowing from the tap.
– JonathanReez
15 hours ago
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@JonathanReez How do you double the pressure? I'm talking about doubling the pipe. You don't get double voltage just by using a thicker wire to your electric outlet. Similarly you don't get double pressure just by using a thicker pipe.
– Kamil Maciorowski
14 hours ago
If you don't like the water example, imagine you want a really strong 100 link chain. The supplies you can buy (for whatever contrived reason you prefer) are 25 titanium links, 50 stainless steel links, and 25 rusty iron links. After you put your chain together you notice it breaks rather easily, you don't go upgrade the steal links to titanium while still maintaining the rusty iron links.
– Dean MacGregor
1 hour ago
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The water analogy doesn't truly work as doubling the water pressure would indeed double the amount of water flowing from the tap.
– JonathanReez
15 hours ago
27
@JonathanReez How do you double the pressure? I'm talking about doubling the pipe. You don't get double voltage just by using a thicker wire to your electric outlet. Similarly you don't get double pressure just by using a thicker pipe.
– Kamil Maciorowski
14 hours ago
If you don't like the water example, imagine you want a really strong 100 link chain. The supplies you can buy (for whatever contrived reason you prefer) are 25 titanium links, 50 stainless steel links, and 25 rusty iron links. After you put your chain together you notice it breaks rather easily, you don't go upgrade the steal links to titanium while still maintaining the rusty iron links.
– Dean MacGregor
1 hour ago
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The water analogy doesn't truly work as doubling the water pressure would indeed double the amount of water flowing from the tap.
– JonathanReez
15 hours ago
The water analogy doesn't truly work as doubling the water pressure would indeed double the amount of water flowing from the tap.
– JonathanReez
15 hours ago
27
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@JonathanReez How do you double the pressure? I'm talking about doubling the pipe. You don't get double voltage just by using a thicker wire to your electric outlet. Similarly you don't get double pressure just by using a thicker pipe.
– Kamil Maciorowski
14 hours ago
@JonathanReez How do you double the pressure? I'm talking about doubling the pipe. You don't get double voltage just by using a thicker wire to your electric outlet. Similarly you don't get double pressure just by using a thicker pipe.
– Kamil Maciorowski
14 hours ago
If you don't like the water example, imagine you want a really strong 100 link chain. The supplies you can buy (for whatever contrived reason you prefer) are 25 titanium links, 50 stainless steel links, and 25 rusty iron links. After you put your chain together you notice it breaks rather easily, you don't go upgrade the steal links to titanium while still maintaining the rusty iron links.
– Dean MacGregor
1 hour ago
If you don't like the water example, imagine you want a really strong 100 link chain. The supplies you can buy (for whatever contrived reason you prefer) are 25 titanium links, 50 stainless steel links, and 25 rusty iron links. After you put your chain together you notice it breaks rather easily, you don't go upgrade the steal links to titanium while still maintaining the rusty iron links.
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1 hour ago
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Just for clarity there are two links / connections here, not one:
- From your ISP to your house.
- It has bandwidth of 40 Mbit/s
- From your router to the WiFi device(s) "in the furthest corners of your apartment"
- It has bandwidth of 1 Mbit/s
The bottleneck here is link #2.
Doubling the speed of link #1 will not affect link #2 at all, unless you reduce it to less than the speed of link #2 (at which point, link #1 will become the bottleneck).
Think of it like pipes (as per Kamil's answer), or roads...
A highway / motorway might have 3 lanes in each direction, while a back road will have one lane for both directions with passing places. You can't get more cars down that back road by making the motorway leading up to it larger.
In this situation you want to look into moving your WiFi access point (often built into the router), or if that isn't possible, look into getting WiFi range extenders. Another option could be to purchase high gain antenna(s), but please check that the router or device can swap it's antenna first.
If the 40 Mbit/s connection is adequate for everything you need, there is no reason to upgrade that link - it won't help with this problem. If you have been advised that it will help, then unfortunately that advice was incorrect.
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Attie
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Then, there's the tinfoil hat theory: tomsguide.com/us/aluminum-foil-wi-fi-extension,news-26097.html
– K7AAY
23 hours ago
would increasing the power to the antenna potentially help? Although this runs into regulatory concerns depending on the location and power.
– PeterL
22 hours ago
Potentially, or getting a high-gain antenna... if your devices have removable antennae. I've update my answer.
– Attie
22 hours ago
1
@Attie high-gains antennas may lead to your radiated power exceeding the allowed limits, depending on the TX power setting, the frequency, and the region.
– jcaron
21 hours ago
2
@PeterL No. increasing transmit power would work for broadcast, like TV, but wifi is not a broadcast it's 2-directional communication. You need to increase power to the router wifi antenna AND to your phone wifi antenna just the same. Otherwise, your phone will hear the router, but the router won't hear back. If you're thinking about high-gain antenna, it could help because the gain works for both transmit and receive. But this gain doesn't come for free - high gain vs low-gain antennae is sniper vs shotgun. You get more power when you aim it well, but then you sidestep and you get even less.
– Agent_L
13 hours ago
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Just for clarity there are two links / connections here, not one:
- From your ISP to your house.
- It has bandwidth of 40 Mbit/s
- From your router to the WiFi device(s) "in the furthest corners of your apartment"
- It has bandwidth of 1 Mbit/s
The bottleneck here is link #2.
Doubling the speed of link #1 will not affect link #2 at all, unless you reduce it to less than the speed of link #2 (at which point, link #1 will become the bottleneck).
Think of it like pipes (as per Kamil's answer), or roads...
A highway / motorway might have 3 lanes in each direction, while a back road will have one lane for both directions with passing places. You can't get more cars down that back road by making the motorway leading up to it larger.
In this situation you want to look into moving your WiFi access point (often built into the router), or if that isn't possible, look into getting WiFi range extenders. Another option could be to purchase high gain antenna(s), but please check that the router or device can swap it's antenna first.
If the 40 Mbit/s connection is adequate for everything you need, there is no reason to upgrade that link - it won't help with this problem. If you have been advised that it will help, then unfortunately that advice was incorrect.
answered yesterday
Attie
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Then, there's the tinfoil hat theory: tomsguide.com/us/aluminum-foil-wi-fi-extension,news-26097.html
– K7AAY
23 hours ago
would increasing the power to the antenna potentially help? Although this runs into regulatory concerns depending on the location and power.
– PeterL
22 hours ago
Potentially, or getting a high-gain antenna... if your devices have removable antennae. I've update my answer.
– Attie
22 hours ago
1
@Attie high-gains antennas may lead to your radiated power exceeding the allowed limits, depending on the TX power setting, the frequency, and the region.
– jcaron
21 hours ago
2
@PeterL No. increasing transmit power would work for broadcast, like TV, but wifi is not a broadcast it's 2-directional communication. You need to increase power to the router wifi antenna AND to your phone wifi antenna just the same. Otherwise, your phone will hear the router, but the router won't hear back. If you're thinking about high-gain antenna, it could help because the gain works for both transmit and receive. But this gain doesn't come for free - high gain vs low-gain antennae is sniper vs shotgun. You get more power when you aim it well, but then you sidestep and you get even less.
– Agent_L
13 hours ago
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up vote
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Just for clarity there are two links / connections here, not one:
- From your ISP to your house.
- It has bandwidth of 40 Mbit/s
- From your router to the WiFi device(s) "in the furthest corners of your apartment"
- It has bandwidth of 1 Mbit/s
The bottleneck here is link #2.
Doubling the speed of link #1 will not affect link #2 at all, unless you reduce it to less than the speed of link #2 (at which point, link #1 will become the bottleneck).
Think of it like pipes (as per Kamil's answer), or roads...
A highway / motorway might have 3 lanes in each direction, while a back road will have one lane for both directions with passing places. You can't get more cars down that back road by making the motorway leading up to it larger.
In this situation you want to look into moving your WiFi access point (often built into the router), or if that isn't possible, look into getting WiFi range extenders. Another option could be to purchase high gain antenna(s), but please check that the router or device can swap it's antenna first.
If the 40 Mbit/s connection is adequate for everything you need, there is no reason to upgrade that link - it won't help with this problem. If you have been advised that it will help, then unfortunately that advice was incorrect.
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Attie
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Just for clarity there are two links / connections here, not one:
- From your ISP to your house.
- It has bandwidth of 40 Mbit/s
- From your router to the WiFi device(s) "in the furthest corners of your apartment"
- It has bandwidth of 1 Mbit/s
The bottleneck here is link #2.
Doubling the speed of link #1 will not affect link #2 at all, unless you reduce it to less than the speed of link #2 (at which point, link #1 will become the bottleneck).
Think of it like pipes (as per Kamil's answer), or roads...
A highway / motorway might have 3 lanes in each direction, while a back road will have one lane for both directions with passing places. You can't get more cars down that back road by making the motorway leading up to it larger.
In this situation you want to look into moving your WiFi access point (often built into the router), or if that isn't possible, look into getting WiFi range extenders. Another option could be to purchase high gain antenna(s), but please check that the router or device can swap it's antenna first.
If the 40 Mbit/s connection is adequate for everything you need, there is no reason to upgrade that link - it won't help with this problem. If you have been advised that it will help, then unfortunately that advice was incorrect.
answered yesterday
Attie
9,59032337
edited 22 hours ago
answered yesterday
Attie
9,59032337
answered yesterday
Attie
9,59032337
answered yesterday
Attie
9,59032337
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Then, there's the tinfoil hat theory: tomsguide.com/us/aluminum-foil-wi-fi-extension,news-26097.html
– K7AAY
23 hours ago
would increasing the power to the antenna potentially help? Although this runs into regulatory concerns depending on the location and power.
– PeterL
22 hours ago
Potentially, or getting a high-gain antenna... if your devices have removable antennae. I've update my answer.
– Attie
22 hours ago
1
@Attie high-gains antennas may lead to your radiated power exceeding the allowed limits, depending on the TX power setting, the frequency, and the region.
– jcaron
21 hours ago
2
@PeterL No. increasing transmit power would work for broadcast, like TV, but wifi is not a broadcast it's 2-directional communication. You need to increase power to the router wifi antenna AND to your phone wifi antenna just the same. Otherwise, your phone will hear the router, but the router won't hear back. If you're thinking about high-gain antenna, it could help because the gain works for both transmit and receive. But this gain doesn't come for free - high gain vs low-gain antennae is sniper vs shotgun. You get more power when you aim it well, but then you sidestep and you get even less.
– Agent_L
13 hours ago
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Then, there's the tinfoil hat theory: tomsguide.com/us/aluminum-foil-wi-fi-extension,news-26097.html
– K7AAY
23 hours ago
would increasing the power to the antenna potentially help? Although this runs into regulatory concerns depending on the location and power.
– PeterL
22 hours ago
Potentially, or getting a high-gain antenna... if your devices have removable antennae. I've update my answer.
– Attie
22 hours ago
1
@Attie high-gains antennas may lead to your radiated power exceeding the allowed limits, depending on the TX power setting, the frequency, and the region.
– jcaron
21 hours ago
2
@PeterL No. increasing transmit power would work for broadcast, like TV, but wifi is not a broadcast it's 2-directional communication. You need to increase power to the router wifi antenna AND to your phone wifi antenna just the same. Otherwise, your phone will hear the router, but the router won't hear back. If you're thinking about high-gain antenna, it could help because the gain works for both transmit and receive. But this gain doesn't come for free - high gain vs low-gain antennae is sniper vs shotgun. You get more power when you aim it well, but then you sidestep and you get even less.
– Agent_L
13 hours ago
1
1
Then, there's the tinfoil hat theory: tomsguide.com/us/aluminum-foil-wi-fi-extension,news-26097.html
– K7AAY
23 hours ago
Then, there's the tinfoil hat theory: tomsguide.com/us/aluminum-foil-wi-fi-extension,news-26097.html
– K7AAY
23 hours ago
would increasing the power to the antenna potentially help? Although this runs into regulatory concerns depending on the location and power.
– PeterL
22 hours ago
would increasing the power to the antenna potentially help? Although this runs into regulatory concerns depending on the location and power.
– PeterL
22 hours ago
Potentially, or getting a high-gain antenna... if your devices have removable antennae. I've update my answer.
– Attie
22 hours ago
Potentially, or getting a high-gain antenna... if your devices have removable antennae. I've update my answer.
– Attie
22 hours ago
1
1
@Attie high-gains antennas may lead to your radiated power exceeding the allowed limits, depending on the TX power setting, the frequency, and the region.
– jcaron
21 hours ago
@Attie high-gains antennas may lead to your radiated power exceeding the allowed limits, depending on the TX power setting, the frequency, and the region.
– jcaron
21 hours ago
2
2
@PeterL No. increasing transmit power would work for broadcast, like TV, but wifi is not a broadcast it's 2-directional communication. You need to increase power to the router wifi antenna AND to your phone wifi antenna just the same. Otherwise, your phone will hear the router, but the router won't hear back. If you're thinking about high-gain antenna, it could help because the gain works for both transmit and receive. But this gain doesn't come for free - high gain vs low-gain antennae is sniper vs shotgun. You get more power when you aim it well, but then you sidestep and you get even less.
– Agent_L
13 hours ago
@PeterL No. increasing transmit power would work for broadcast, like TV, but wifi is not a broadcast it's 2-directional communication. You need to increase power to the router wifi antenna AND to your phone wifi antenna just the same. Otherwise, your phone will hear the router, but the router won't hear back. If you're thinking about high-gain antenna, it could help because the gain works for both transmit and receive. But this gain doesn't come for free - high gain vs low-gain antennae is sniper vs shotgun. You get more power when you aim it well, but then you sidestep and you get even less.
– Agent_L
13 hours ago
 |Â
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To answer your question, it increases mostly rationally (the latter) - if you imagine it as waves bouncing around your house, an increase by 20% just means that the signal is 20% stronger to get through walls, etc. What it is near the router means nothing, since it still has to travel through the air!
However, this is not perfect either, as when it travels we can't imagine that no energy is absorbed by the surroundings, but the absorption doesn't increase rationally. So I'd estimate it would go from around 1mbps to 1.8mbps, although it may vary.
It may just be wiser to consider wireless boosters; they're only $20-30 (depending on what router and ISP you use) or buying a better router. Increasing what comes out of the socket may be useful to some extent, but it's a waste of money compared to buying a stronger router, which will not increase your maximum internet speed (i.e when you are next to the router, the speed will be the same as before), but it will extend the range in which the signal is usable. TPLink makes good ones for $70; they generally have 4+ 3-axis flexible antennas, meaning you can push the signal in multiple directions.
Hope this helped.
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Geza Kerecsenyi
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Internet Boosters are snake oil. Please do not suggest that anyone actually spend money on software, that claims to increase your download speeds, the magicial software unicorns you describe do not exist.
– Ramhound
yesterday
3
I mean physical boosters, which have super-strong receivers and re-transmit signal. We got a pair and they work fine; you can hook them up with Ethernet-in from the router, and they just act as a second transmitter. See: amazon.co.uk/dp/B005O7ZUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9ROSBb4RBTWQF (this is an expensive one, but you can find perfectly functional ones for around £15 on eBay or Amazon).
– Geza Kerecsenyi
yesterday
2
Your first two paragraphs are incorrect. They would only be increasing the connection speed at the access point. Without signal boosters, the strength of the wireless signal would still the be exact same at the furthest corners, therefore not improving upload/download speeds.
– DrZoo
23 hours ago
6
It won't increase though. Increasing the bandwidth you're allowed from your network to your ISP's network doesn't increase the voltage going to your router's antenna. Furthermore, what's near the router does matter, since radio doesn't perfectly penetrate everything - a clear line-of-sight between router & client will be vastly better than one through a dozen plaster walls suffused with varying kinds of conduit & wiring. The router is 100% not transmitting at 20mbps, it's transmitting at ~2.4 or ~5 GHz, and changing the traffic your router can send/receive from the ISP doesn't change that.
– Delioth
23 hours ago
4
@Acccumulation - Nearly every item on that page is either a “Range Extenders†or a “network extenderâ€Â. The author originally suggested a “internet booster†they later modified their answer to clarify what they meant.
– Ramhound
22 hours ago
 |Â
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up vote
-7
down vote
To answer your question, it increases mostly rationally (the latter) - if you imagine it as waves bouncing around your house, an increase by 20% just means that the signal is 20% stronger to get through walls, etc. What it is near the router means nothing, since it still has to travel through the air!
However, this is not perfect either, as when it travels we can't imagine that no energy is absorbed by the surroundings, but the absorption doesn't increase rationally. So I'd estimate it would go from around 1mbps to 1.8mbps, although it may vary.
It may just be wiser to consider wireless boosters; they're only $20-30 (depending on what router and ISP you use) or buying a better router. Increasing what comes out of the socket may be useful to some extent, but it's a waste of money compared to buying a stronger router, which will not increase your maximum internet speed (i.e when you are next to the router, the speed will be the same as before), but it will extend the range in which the signal is usable. TPLink makes good ones for $70; they generally have 4+ 3-axis flexible antennas, meaning you can push the signal in multiple directions.
Hope this helped.
answered yesterday
Geza Kerecsenyi
369
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Internet Boosters are snake oil. Please do not suggest that anyone actually spend money on software, that claims to increase your download speeds, the magicial software unicorns you describe do not exist.
– Ramhound
yesterday
3
I mean physical boosters, which have super-strong receivers and re-transmit signal. We got a pair and they work fine; you can hook them up with Ethernet-in from the router, and they just act as a second transmitter. See: amazon.co.uk/dp/B005O7ZUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9ROSBb4RBTWQF (this is an expensive one, but you can find perfectly functional ones for around £15 on eBay or Amazon).
– Geza Kerecsenyi
yesterday
2
Your first two paragraphs are incorrect. They would only be increasing the connection speed at the access point. Without signal boosters, the strength of the wireless signal would still the be exact same at the furthest corners, therefore not improving upload/download speeds.
– DrZoo
23 hours ago
6
It won't increase though. Increasing the bandwidth you're allowed from your network to your ISP's network doesn't increase the voltage going to your router's antenna. Furthermore, what's near the router does matter, since radio doesn't perfectly penetrate everything - a clear line-of-sight between router & client will be vastly better than one through a dozen plaster walls suffused with varying kinds of conduit & wiring. The router is 100% not transmitting at 20mbps, it's transmitting at ~2.4 or ~5 GHz, and changing the traffic your router can send/receive from the ISP doesn't change that.
– Delioth
23 hours ago
4
@Acccumulation - Nearly every item on that page is either a “Range Extenders†or a “network extenderâ€Â. The author originally suggested a “internet booster†they later modified their answer to clarify what they meant.
– Ramhound
22 hours ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
up vote
-7
down vote
up vote
-7
down vote
To answer your question, it increases mostly rationally (the latter) - if you imagine it as waves bouncing around your house, an increase by 20% just means that the signal is 20% stronger to get through walls, etc. What it is near the router means nothing, since it still has to travel through the air!
However, this is not perfect either, as when it travels we can't imagine that no energy is absorbed by the surroundings, but the absorption doesn't increase rationally. So I'd estimate it would go from around 1mbps to 1.8mbps, although it may vary.
It may just be wiser to consider wireless boosters; they're only $20-30 (depending on what router and ISP you use) or buying a better router. Increasing what comes out of the socket may be useful to some extent, but it's a waste of money compared to buying a stronger router, which will not increase your maximum internet speed (i.e when you are next to the router, the speed will be the same as before), but it will extend the range in which the signal is usable. TPLink makes good ones for $70; they generally have 4+ 3-axis flexible antennas, meaning you can push the signal in multiple directions.
Hope this helped.
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Geza Kerecsenyi
369
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To answer your question, it increases mostly rationally (the latter) - if you imagine it as waves bouncing around your house, an increase by 20% just means that the signal is 20% stronger to get through walls, etc. What it is near the router means nothing, since it still has to travel through the air!
However, this is not perfect either, as when it travels we can't imagine that no energy is absorbed by the surroundings, but the absorption doesn't increase rationally. So I'd estimate it would go from around 1mbps to 1.8mbps, although it may vary.
It may just be wiser to consider wireless boosters; they're only $20-30 (depending on what router and ISP you use) or buying a better router. Increasing what comes out of the socket may be useful to some extent, but it's a waste of money compared to buying a stronger router, which will not increase your maximum internet speed (i.e when you are next to the router, the speed will be the same as before), but it will extend the range in which the signal is usable. TPLink makes good ones for $70; they generally have 4+ 3-axis flexible antennas, meaning you can push the signal in multiple directions.
Hope this helped.
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369
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9
Internet Boosters are snake oil. Please do not suggest that anyone actually spend money on software, that claims to increase your download speeds, the magicial software unicorns you describe do not exist.
– Ramhound
yesterday
3
I mean physical boosters, which have super-strong receivers and re-transmit signal. We got a pair and they work fine; you can hook them up with Ethernet-in from the router, and they just act as a second transmitter. See: amazon.co.uk/dp/B005O7ZUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9ROSBb4RBTWQF (this is an expensive one, but you can find perfectly functional ones for around £15 on eBay or Amazon).
– Geza Kerecsenyi
yesterday
2
Your first two paragraphs are incorrect. They would only be increasing the connection speed at the access point. Without signal boosters, the strength of the wireless signal would still the be exact same at the furthest corners, therefore not improving upload/download speeds.
– DrZoo
23 hours ago
6
It won't increase though. Increasing the bandwidth you're allowed from your network to your ISP's network doesn't increase the voltage going to your router's antenna. Furthermore, what's near the router does matter, since radio doesn't perfectly penetrate everything - a clear line-of-sight between router & client will be vastly better than one through a dozen plaster walls suffused with varying kinds of conduit & wiring. The router is 100% not transmitting at 20mbps, it's transmitting at ~2.4 or ~5 GHz, and changing the traffic your router can send/receive from the ISP doesn't change that.
– Delioth
23 hours ago
4
@Acccumulation - Nearly every item on that page is either a “Range Extenders†or a “network extenderâ€Â. The author originally suggested a “internet booster†they later modified their answer to clarify what they meant.
– Ramhound
22 hours ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
9
Internet Boosters are snake oil. Please do not suggest that anyone actually spend money on software, that claims to increase your download speeds, the magicial software unicorns you describe do not exist.
– Ramhound
yesterday
3
I mean physical boosters, which have super-strong receivers and re-transmit signal. We got a pair and they work fine; you can hook them up with Ethernet-in from the router, and they just act as a second transmitter. See: amazon.co.uk/dp/B005O7ZUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9ROSBb4RBTWQF (this is an expensive one, but you can find perfectly functional ones for around £15 on eBay or Amazon).
– Geza Kerecsenyi
yesterday
2
Your first two paragraphs are incorrect. They would only be increasing the connection speed at the access point. Without signal boosters, the strength of the wireless signal would still the be exact same at the furthest corners, therefore not improving upload/download speeds.
– DrZoo
23 hours ago
6
It won't increase though. Increasing the bandwidth you're allowed from your network to your ISP's network doesn't increase the voltage going to your router's antenna. Furthermore, what's near the router does matter, since radio doesn't perfectly penetrate everything - a clear line-of-sight between router & client will be vastly better than one through a dozen plaster walls suffused with varying kinds of conduit & wiring. The router is 100% not transmitting at 20mbps, it's transmitting at ~2.4 or ~5 GHz, and changing the traffic your router can send/receive from the ISP doesn't change that.
– Delioth
23 hours ago
4
@Acccumulation - Nearly every item on that page is either a “Range Extenders†or a “network extenderâ€Â. The author originally suggested a “internet booster†they later modified their answer to clarify what they meant.
– Ramhound
22 hours ago
9
9
Internet Boosters are snake oil. Please do not suggest that anyone actually spend money on software, that claims to increase your download speeds, the magicial software unicorns you describe do not exist.
– Ramhound
yesterday
Internet Boosters are snake oil. Please do not suggest that anyone actually spend money on software, that claims to increase your download speeds, the magicial software unicorns you describe do not exist.
– Ramhound
yesterday
3
3
I mean physical boosters, which have super-strong receivers and re-transmit signal. We got a pair and they work fine; you can hook them up with Ethernet-in from the router, and they just act as a second transmitter. See: amazon.co.uk/dp/B005O7ZUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9ROSBb4RBTWQF (this is an expensive one, but you can find perfectly functional ones for around £15 on eBay or Amazon).
– Geza Kerecsenyi
yesterday
I mean physical boosters, which have super-strong receivers and re-transmit signal. We got a pair and they work fine; you can hook them up with Ethernet-in from the router, and they just act as a second transmitter. See: amazon.co.uk/dp/B005O7ZUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9ROSBb4RBTWQF (this is an expensive one, but you can find perfectly functional ones for around £15 on eBay or Amazon).
– Geza Kerecsenyi
yesterday
2
2
Your first two paragraphs are incorrect. They would only be increasing the connection speed at the access point. Without signal boosters, the strength of the wireless signal would still the be exact same at the furthest corners, therefore not improving upload/download speeds.
– DrZoo
23 hours ago
Your first two paragraphs are incorrect. They would only be increasing the connection speed at the access point. Without signal boosters, the strength of the wireless signal would still the be exact same at the furthest corners, therefore not improving upload/download speeds.
– DrZoo
23 hours ago
6
6
It won't increase though. Increasing the bandwidth you're allowed from your network to your ISP's network doesn't increase the voltage going to your router's antenna. Furthermore, what's near the router does matter, since radio doesn't perfectly penetrate everything - a clear line-of-sight between router & client will be vastly better than one through a dozen plaster walls suffused with varying kinds of conduit & wiring. The router is 100% not transmitting at 20mbps, it's transmitting at ~2.4 or ~5 GHz, and changing the traffic your router can send/receive from the ISP doesn't change that.
– Delioth
23 hours ago
It won't increase though. Increasing the bandwidth you're allowed from your network to your ISP's network doesn't increase the voltage going to your router's antenna. Furthermore, what's near the router does matter, since radio doesn't perfectly penetrate everything - a clear line-of-sight between router & client will be vastly better than one through a dozen plaster walls suffused with varying kinds of conduit & wiring. The router is 100% not transmitting at 20mbps, it's transmitting at ~2.4 or ~5 GHz, and changing the traffic your router can send/receive from the ISP doesn't change that.
– Delioth
23 hours ago
4
4
@Acccumulation - Nearly every item on that page is either a “Range Extenders†or a “network extenderâ€Â. The author originally suggested a “internet booster†they later modified their answer to clarify what they meant.
– Ramhound
22 hours ago
@Acccumulation - Nearly every item on that page is either a “Range Extenders†or a “network extenderâ€Â. The author originally suggested a “internet booster†they later modified their answer to clarify what they meant.
– Ramhound
22 hours ago
 |Â
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You will likely still get 1Mbps in that location... Even if you increase your internet speeds to 1Gbps, you will only likely only get 1Mbps in that location. This is a WiFi issue, not a internet speed issue.
– acejavelin
yesterday
3
I don't understand this at all, there must be some hidden variables you don't mention. What do you mean by "increasing my internet"? Is that the listed speed from your ISP? And "furthest corner", are you using WiFi? What kind of wifi setup do you have? Is the wifi router supplied by your ISP?
– pipe
13 hours ago
I'm more curious how big your apartment is and what kind of WiFi gear you have that you're only getting 1mb in the 'furthest reaches' .. I think you need to get whatever gear my neighbors have since I have no problem getting their signal in the far reaches of my house (or the park across the street for that matter).
– txtechhelp
3 hours ago
@txtechhelp It's quite common actually. We had one where the signal was lost completely 20 feet laterally 1 floor up. Our current one gets less than 1Mbps at a similar distance. Maybe it is the difference between old and/or cheap equipment as opposed to new and expensive equipment. Our WiFi, by the way, is rated much higher and we get much higher when standing next to it. But it is very slow and choppy farther away.
– Aaron
2 hours ago
1
Interference from neighbors will wreak havoc with your speeds in apartment buildings. There are too many competing access points in such spaces.
– Brian
36 mins ago