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In my Tonal Harmony book by Kostka and Payne, it says: when rhythms are notated, it is customary to use beams,ties and dots in such a way that the metric accent is emphasized rather than obscured.



What does this mean? I always thought the first note in a measure has to be played with forte accent, how are ties and beams related to this concept?






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    In my Tonal Harmony book by Kostka and Payne, it says: when rhythms are notated, it is customary to use beams,ties and dots in such a way that the metric accent is emphasized rather than obscured.



    What does this mean? I always thought the first note in a measure has to be played with forte accent, how are ties and beams related to this concept?






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      In my Tonal Harmony book by Kostka and Payne, it says: when rhythms are notated, it is customary to use beams,ties and dots in such a way that the metric accent is emphasized rather than obscured.



      What does this mean? I always thought the first note in a measure has to be played with forte accent, how are ties and beams related to this concept?






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      In my Tonal Harmony book by Kostka and Payne, it says: when rhythms are notated, it is customary to use beams,ties and dots in such a way that the metric accent is emphasized rather than obscured.



      What does this mean? I always thought the first note in a measure has to be played with forte accent, how are ties and beams related to this concept?






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          As an example think of 6/8 meter versus 3/4. The barring helps you visually understand the pulse.



          In 6/8 you have two pulses and get two barred groups...



          enter image description here



          In 3/4 you have three pulses and get three barred groups...



          enter image description here



          ...see how the barring visually reinforces the number of pulses?



          Normal 4/4 would be...



          enter image description here



          ...but I suppose you could do something like...



          > > >
          _____ _____ ___
          | | | | | | | |


          ...to visually emphasize a pattern with off beat accents






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            Your initial thought (emphasize downbeat) is incorrect in general. Yes, much of the time some emphasis, rather gentle, is added, but lots of music has multi-bar phrasing which is best performed with almost no accent on any of the base meter beats.



            I am not familiar with the book in question, but I might guess that what they mean to say is that phrasing marks should bring out the desired emphasis patterns (not the base metrics).






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              It's very dependent on the sort of music in question. Dance music would hardly be dance music if the dancers could not discern where beat 1 is ! Hence - emphasised.
              – Tim
              5 hours ago







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              @Tim well, yes for a walz or tango, no for some thundering rave DJ club. :-)
              – Carl Witthoft
              4 hours ago






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              At a thundering rave, isn't every beat the emphasised beat 1?
              – Tim
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              @Tim, yep, that was my point.
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            As an example think of 6/8 meter versus 3/4. The barring helps you visually understand the pulse.



            In 6/8 you have two pulses and get two barred groups...



            enter image description here



            In 3/4 you have three pulses and get three barred groups...



            enter image description here



            ...see how the barring visually reinforces the number of pulses?



            Normal 4/4 would be...



            enter image description here



            ...but I suppose you could do something like...



            > > >
            _____ _____ ___
            | | | | | | | |


            ...to visually emphasize a pattern with off beat accents






            share|improve this answer
























              up vote
              4
              down vote













              As an example think of 6/8 meter versus 3/4. The barring helps you visually understand the pulse.



              In 6/8 you have two pulses and get two barred groups...



              enter image description here



              In 3/4 you have three pulses and get three barred groups...



              enter image description here



              ...see how the barring visually reinforces the number of pulses?



              Normal 4/4 would be...



              enter image description here



              ...but I suppose you could do something like...



              > > >
              _____ _____ ___
              | | | | | | | |


              ...to visually emphasize a pattern with off beat accents






              share|improve this answer






















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                As an example think of 6/8 meter versus 3/4. The barring helps you visually understand the pulse.



                In 6/8 you have two pulses and get two barred groups...



                enter image description here



                In 3/4 you have three pulses and get three barred groups...



                enter image description here



                ...see how the barring visually reinforces the number of pulses?



                Normal 4/4 would be...



                enter image description here



                ...but I suppose you could do something like...



                > > >
                _____ _____ ___
                | | | | | | | |


                ...to visually emphasize a pattern with off beat accents






                share|improve this answer












                As an example think of 6/8 meter versus 3/4. The barring helps you visually understand the pulse.



                In 6/8 you have two pulses and get two barred groups...



                enter image description here



                In 3/4 you have three pulses and get three barred groups...



                enter image description here



                ...see how the barring visually reinforces the number of pulses?



                Normal 4/4 would be...



                enter image description here



                ...but I suppose you could do something like...



                > > >
                _____ _____ ___
                | | | | | | | |


                ...to visually emphasize a pattern with off beat accents







                share|improve this answer












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                    Your initial thought (emphasize downbeat) is incorrect in general. Yes, much of the time some emphasis, rather gentle, is added, but lots of music has multi-bar phrasing which is best performed with almost no accent on any of the base meter beats.



                    I am not familiar with the book in question, but I might guess that what they mean to say is that phrasing marks should bring out the desired emphasis patterns (not the base metrics).






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                    • 2




                      It's very dependent on the sort of music in question. Dance music would hardly be dance music if the dancers could not discern where beat 1 is ! Hence - emphasised.
                      – Tim
                      5 hours ago







                    • 1




                      @Tim well, yes for a walz or tango, no for some thundering rave DJ club. :-)
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      4 hours ago






                    • 1




                      At a thundering rave, isn't every beat the emphasised beat 1?
                      – Tim
                      3 hours ago






                    • 1




                      @Tim, yep, that was my point.
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      2 hours ago














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                    Your initial thought (emphasize downbeat) is incorrect in general. Yes, much of the time some emphasis, rather gentle, is added, but lots of music has multi-bar phrasing which is best performed with almost no accent on any of the base meter beats.



                    I am not familiar with the book in question, but I might guess that what they mean to say is that phrasing marks should bring out the desired emphasis patterns (not the base metrics).






                    share|improve this answer
















                    • 2




                      It's very dependent on the sort of music in question. Dance music would hardly be dance music if the dancers could not discern where beat 1 is ! Hence - emphasised.
                      – Tim
                      5 hours ago







                    • 1




                      @Tim well, yes for a walz or tango, no for some thundering rave DJ club. :-)
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      4 hours ago






                    • 1




                      At a thundering rave, isn't every beat the emphasised beat 1?
                      – Tim
                      3 hours ago






                    • 1




                      @Tim, yep, that was my point.
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      2 hours ago












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                    Your initial thought (emphasize downbeat) is incorrect in general. Yes, much of the time some emphasis, rather gentle, is added, but lots of music has multi-bar phrasing which is best performed with almost no accent on any of the base meter beats.



                    I am not familiar with the book in question, but I might guess that what they mean to say is that phrasing marks should bring out the desired emphasis patterns (not the base metrics).






                    share|improve this answer












                    Your initial thought (emphasize downbeat) is incorrect in general. Yes, much of the time some emphasis, rather gentle, is added, but lots of music has multi-bar phrasing which is best performed with almost no accent on any of the base meter beats.



                    I am not familiar with the book in question, but I might guess that what they mean to say is that phrasing marks should bring out the desired emphasis patterns (not the base metrics).







                    share|improve this answer












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                    Carl Witthoft

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                    • 2




                      It's very dependent on the sort of music in question. Dance music would hardly be dance music if the dancers could not discern where beat 1 is ! Hence - emphasised.
                      – Tim
                      5 hours ago







                    • 1




                      @Tim well, yes for a walz or tango, no for some thundering rave DJ club. :-)
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      4 hours ago






                    • 1




                      At a thundering rave, isn't every beat the emphasised beat 1?
                      – Tim
                      3 hours ago






                    • 1




                      @Tim, yep, that was my point.
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      2 hours ago












                    • 2




                      It's very dependent on the sort of music in question. Dance music would hardly be dance music if the dancers could not discern where beat 1 is ! Hence - emphasised.
                      – Tim
                      5 hours ago







                    • 1




                      @Tim well, yes for a walz or tango, no for some thundering rave DJ club. :-)
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      4 hours ago






                    • 1




                      At a thundering rave, isn't every beat the emphasised beat 1?
                      – Tim
                      3 hours ago






                    • 1




                      @Tim, yep, that was my point.
                      – Carl Witthoft
                      2 hours ago







                    2




                    2




                    It's very dependent on the sort of music in question. Dance music would hardly be dance music if the dancers could not discern where beat 1 is ! Hence - emphasised.
                    – Tim
                    5 hours ago





                    It's very dependent on the sort of music in question. Dance music would hardly be dance music if the dancers could not discern where beat 1 is ! Hence - emphasised.
                    – Tim
                    5 hours ago





                    1




                    1




                    @Tim well, yes for a walz or tango, no for some thundering rave DJ club. :-)
                    – Carl Witthoft
                    4 hours ago




                    @Tim well, yes for a walz or tango, no for some thundering rave DJ club. :-)
                    – Carl Witthoft
                    4 hours ago




                    1




                    1




                    At a thundering rave, isn't every beat the emphasised beat 1?
                    – Tim
                    3 hours ago




                    At a thundering rave, isn't every beat the emphasised beat 1?
                    – Tim
                    3 hours ago




                    1




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                    @Tim, yep, that was my point.
                    – Carl Witthoft
                    2 hours ago




                    @Tim, yep, that was my point.
                    – Carl Witthoft
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