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Why don't Vulcans just take the pills?
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I am well aware that this question is on border between Worldbuildning and Sci-Fi site. I decided to post it here, because I am seeking for general society/worldbuilding answer and "Vulcans" are used here to help you paint the picture:
Imagine humanoid race which starts its "sapient" era in constant ADHD frame of mind. They find solution by creating a society which fights these symptoms by excessive meditations and accent on pure logic.
And this race does very good. They evolve to space faring civilization, even mastering faster-than-light travel.
It appears logical (pun intended) to me, that somewhere during this evolution process, they have to discover some sort of cure which helps them to get to same frame of mind as long meditation sessions and/or other mind exercises.
Even if it means taking a pill every 8 hours (assuming 24 hour cycle on their planet and average need to sleep of 8 hours), this pill is still more convenient, and moreover, more logical to take that just continuing the mind exercises.
So, why do they decide not to take the pill?
Again, please note that Star-Trek Vulcans are used just for example only and solution does not have to be from Star-Trek universe
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I am well aware that this question is on border between Worldbuildning and Sci-Fi site. I decided to post it here, because I am seeking for general society/worldbuilding answer and "Vulcans" are used here to help you paint the picture:
Imagine humanoid race which starts its "sapient" era in constant ADHD frame of mind. They find solution by creating a society which fights these symptoms by excessive meditations and accent on pure logic.
And this race does very good. They evolve to space faring civilization, even mastering faster-than-light travel.
It appears logical (pun intended) to me, that somewhere during this evolution process, they have to discover some sort of cure which helps them to get to same frame of mind as long meditation sessions and/or other mind exercises.
Even if it means taking a pill every 8 hours (assuming 24 hour cycle on their planet and average need to sleep of 8 hours), this pill is still more convenient, and moreover, more logical to take that just continuing the mind exercises.
So, why do they decide not to take the pill?
Again, please note that Star-Trek Vulcans are used just for example only and solution does not have to be from Star-Trek universe
reality-check society
asked 1 hour ago
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Maybe they view the ADHD stage of life as childhood and they are considered proper adults once they are capable of controlling their mind and overcoming their natural deficiency (Similar to achieving enlightenment)
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I am well aware that this question is on border between Worldbuildning and Sci-Fi site. I decided to post it here, because I am seeking for general society/worldbuilding answer and "Vulcans" are used here to help you paint the picture:
Imagine humanoid race which starts its "sapient" era in constant ADHD frame of mind. They find solution by creating a society which fights these symptoms by excessive meditations and accent on pure logic.
And this race does very good. They evolve to space faring civilization, even mastering faster-than-light travel.
It appears logical (pun intended) to me, that somewhere during this evolution process, they have to discover some sort of cure which helps them to get to same frame of mind as long meditation sessions and/or other mind exercises.
Even if it means taking a pill every 8 hours (assuming 24 hour cycle on their planet and average need to sleep of 8 hours), this pill is still more convenient, and moreover, more logical to take that just continuing the mind exercises.
So, why do they decide not to take the pill?
Again, please note that Star-Trek Vulcans are used just for example only and solution does not have to be from Star-Trek universe
reality-check society
asked 1 hour ago
Pavel Janicek
26.2k15115193
I am well aware that this question is on border between Worldbuildning and Sci-Fi site. I decided to post it here, because I am seeking for general society/worldbuilding answer and "Vulcans" are used here to help you paint the picture:
Imagine humanoid race which starts its "sapient" era in constant ADHD frame of mind. They find solution by creating a society which fights these symptoms by excessive meditations and accent on pure logic.
And this race does very good. They evolve to space faring civilization, even mastering faster-than-light travel.
It appears logical (pun intended) to me, that somewhere during this evolution process, they have to discover some sort of cure which helps them to get to same frame of mind as long meditation sessions and/or other mind exercises.
Even if it means taking a pill every 8 hours (assuming 24 hour cycle on their planet and average need to sleep of 8 hours), this pill is still more convenient, and moreover, more logical to take that just continuing the mind exercises.
So, why do they decide not to take the pill?
Again, please note that Star-Trek Vulcans are used just for example only and solution does not have to be from Star-Trek universe
reality-check society
reality-check society
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Pavel Janicek
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Pavel Janicek
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Pavel Janicek
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Pavel Janicek
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Maybe they view the ADHD stage of life as childhood and they are considered proper adults once they are capable of controlling their mind and overcoming their natural deficiency (Similar to achieving enlightenment)
– Shadowzee
49 mins ago
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Maybe they view the ADHD stage of life as childhood and they are considered proper adults once they are capable of controlling their mind and overcoming their natural deficiency (Similar to achieving enlightenment)
– Shadowzee
49 mins ago
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Maybe they view the ADHD stage of life as childhood and they are considered proper adults once they are capable of controlling their mind and overcoming their natural deficiency (Similar to achieving enlightenment)
– Shadowzee
49 mins ago
Maybe they view the ADHD stage of life as childhood and they are considered proper adults once they are capable of controlling their mind and overcoming their natural deficiency (Similar to achieving enlightenment)
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Traditional and cultural values
It may seem odd for a deeply logical society to hang on on tradition, but they may deem it logical to preserve their history and rituals so not to loose it, and to learn from the past.
Another aspect may be that it is a passage from youth to adult to master the meditation ritual and controling your own emotions through self control and hard work.
They do not like to be dependent
Another point to consider: Imagine the next generation of your "Vulcans": Never learned how to meditate and control their emotions with that method, and are now dependent on the pill. And now throw a sudden scarcity of that pill in the equation. The result can vary as you like, from sudden depression, anger bursts, riots,... And to turn this up to eleven, imagine a war, where the enemy blows up the pill factory right in the beginning to gain a tactical advantage.
answered 1 hour ago
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I don't think the traditional values are that great of an argument in this scenario, the second part though is where it's at. That makes absolute sense. Vulcans don't stay on their home planet where these pills are produced. They are scattered across the alpha quadrant. So everywhere there would have to be sufficient supply. Also: Imagine being shipwrecked or on a planet/city in a siege or a prisoner of war. They can't get these pills.
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Their health insurance didn't cover that sort of thing
While being a technologically advanced race, they still had some ingrained capitalist beliefs. This caused some issues with medical care and while technologically they had the pills available, they would cost thousands a month to actually take. Some nutter kept putting out videos on VulcanTube suggesting that meditation was the solution to all their ills, from the plague to cancer. Luckily it actually worked for this.
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While basically correct, I was seeking for a way where nobody uses the pill. This kinda suggests that the wealthy Vulcans may still use the pill... But still, this answer made me chuckle :)
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Just to Add to Darthdonuts answer which is very good. Taking a pill instead of meditating would save perhaps an hour or two per day per "Vulcan".
Production Chain
But then you need to produce enough raw materials which would take a lot of workers worldwide to produce, you then need to refine those materials into the drug, requiring more workers and resources, which then needs to be transported around the world, needing more resources and workers. and that's before you start putting people into space where producing the drug might be difficult and storing might take up a lot of space for long duration missions. (i'm intentionally leaving replicators out here!)
Going to all that effort to produce something that people can solve themselves by a little bit of meditating seems pretty ILLOGICAL to me
Resistance
Then consider that there is not a single 1 size fits all ADHD drug (or most drugs), some drugs work for the majority of people but there will always be those that either have diminishing returns on the drugs effectiveness of their lifetime of use, or they are resistant to the drug from the beginning, do you leave those people behind?
Save time for...
This very logical species... would be unlikely to produce much in the way of film or videogames, as those practices are not a logical use of your time. but time not working is improtant for the health of the people, so what are they going to do with their time that has been saved by taking the pill?
Side Effects
To my knowledge, other that the potential for a number backside or maybe back ache from sitting incorrectly Meditation has not negative side efffects, however drugs can have a number of side effectss
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3 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
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active
oldest
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up vote
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Traditional and cultural values
It may seem odd for a deeply logical society to hang on on tradition, but they may deem it logical to preserve their history and rituals so not to loose it, and to learn from the past.
Another aspect may be that it is a passage from youth to adult to master the meditation ritual and controling your own emotions through self control and hard work.
They do not like to be dependent
Another point to consider: Imagine the next generation of your "Vulcans": Never learned how to meditate and control their emotions with that method, and are now dependent on the pill. And now throw a sudden scarcity of that pill in the equation. The result can vary as you like, from sudden depression, anger bursts, riots,... And to turn this up to eleven, imagine a war, where the enemy blows up the pill factory right in the beginning to gain a tactical advantage.
answered 1 hour ago
DarthDonut
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I don't think the traditional values are that great of an argument in this scenario, the second part though is where it's at. That makes absolute sense. Vulcans don't stay on their home planet where these pills are produced. They are scattered across the alpha quadrant. So everywhere there would have to be sufficient supply. Also: Imagine being shipwrecked or on a planet/city in a siege or a prisoner of war. They can't get these pills.
– ArtificialSoul
58 mins ago
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Traditional and cultural values
It may seem odd for a deeply logical society to hang on on tradition, but they may deem it logical to preserve their history and rituals so not to loose it, and to learn from the past.
Another aspect may be that it is a passage from youth to adult to master the meditation ritual and controling your own emotions through self control and hard work.
They do not like to be dependent
Another point to consider: Imagine the next generation of your "Vulcans": Never learned how to meditate and control their emotions with that method, and are now dependent on the pill. And now throw a sudden scarcity of that pill in the equation. The result can vary as you like, from sudden depression, anger bursts, riots,... And to turn this up to eleven, imagine a war, where the enemy blows up the pill factory right in the beginning to gain a tactical advantage.
answered 1 hour ago
DarthDonut
897110
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I don't think the traditional values are that great of an argument in this scenario, the second part though is where it's at. That makes absolute sense. Vulcans don't stay on their home planet where these pills are produced. They are scattered across the alpha quadrant. So everywhere there would have to be sufficient supply. Also: Imagine being shipwrecked or on a planet/city in a siege or a prisoner of war. They can't get these pills.
– ArtificialSoul
58 mins ago
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up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
Traditional and cultural values
It may seem odd for a deeply logical society to hang on on tradition, but they may deem it logical to preserve their history and rituals so not to loose it, and to learn from the past.
Another aspect may be that it is a passage from youth to adult to master the meditation ritual and controling your own emotions through self control and hard work.
They do not like to be dependent
Another point to consider: Imagine the next generation of your "Vulcans": Never learned how to meditate and control their emotions with that method, and are now dependent on the pill. And now throw a sudden scarcity of that pill in the equation. The result can vary as you like, from sudden depression, anger bursts, riots,... And to turn this up to eleven, imagine a war, where the enemy blows up the pill factory right in the beginning to gain a tactical advantage.
answered 1 hour ago
DarthDonut
897110
Traditional and cultural values
It may seem odd for a deeply logical society to hang on on tradition, but they may deem it logical to preserve their history and rituals so not to loose it, and to learn from the past.
Another aspect may be that it is a passage from youth to adult to master the meditation ritual and controling your own emotions through self control and hard work.
They do not like to be dependent
Another point to consider: Imagine the next generation of your "Vulcans": Never learned how to meditate and control their emotions with that method, and are now dependent on the pill. And now throw a sudden scarcity of that pill in the equation. The result can vary as you like, from sudden depression, anger bursts, riots,... And to turn this up to eleven, imagine a war, where the enemy blows up the pill factory right in the beginning to gain a tactical advantage.
answered 1 hour ago
DarthDonut
897110
answered 1 hour ago
DarthDonut
897110
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DarthDonut
897110
answered 1 hour ago
DarthDonut
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897110
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I don't think the traditional values are that great of an argument in this scenario, the second part though is where it's at. That makes absolute sense. Vulcans don't stay on their home planet where these pills are produced. They are scattered across the alpha quadrant. So everywhere there would have to be sufficient supply. Also: Imagine being shipwrecked or on a planet/city in a siege or a prisoner of war. They can't get these pills.
– ArtificialSoul
58 mins ago
add a comment |Â
1
I don't think the traditional values are that great of an argument in this scenario, the second part though is where it's at. That makes absolute sense. Vulcans don't stay on their home planet where these pills are produced. They are scattered across the alpha quadrant. So everywhere there would have to be sufficient supply. Also: Imagine being shipwrecked or on a planet/city in a siege or a prisoner of war. They can't get these pills.
– ArtificialSoul
58 mins ago
1
1
I don't think the traditional values are that great of an argument in this scenario, the second part though is where it's at. That makes absolute sense. Vulcans don't stay on their home planet where these pills are produced. They are scattered across the alpha quadrant. So everywhere there would have to be sufficient supply. Also: Imagine being shipwrecked or on a planet/city in a siege or a prisoner of war. They can't get these pills.
– ArtificialSoul
58 mins ago
I don't think the traditional values are that great of an argument in this scenario, the second part though is where it's at. That makes absolute sense. Vulcans don't stay on their home planet where these pills are produced. They are scattered across the alpha quadrant. So everywhere there would have to be sufficient supply. Also: Imagine being shipwrecked or on a planet/city in a siege or a prisoner of war. They can't get these pills.
– ArtificialSoul
58 mins ago
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Their health insurance didn't cover that sort of thing
While being a technologically advanced race, they still had some ingrained capitalist beliefs. This caused some issues with medical care and while technologically they had the pills available, they would cost thousands a month to actually take. Some nutter kept putting out videos on VulcanTube suggesting that meditation was the solution to all their ills, from the plague to cancer. Luckily it actually worked for this.
answered 1 hour ago
Separatrix
68.2k30160267
While basically correct, I was seeking for a way where nobody uses the pill. This kinda suggests that the wealthy Vulcans may still use the pill... But still, this answer made me chuckle :)
– Pavel Janicek
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Their health insurance didn't cover that sort of thing
While being a technologically advanced race, they still had some ingrained capitalist beliefs. This caused some issues with medical care and while technologically they had the pills available, they would cost thousands a month to actually take. Some nutter kept putting out videos on VulcanTube suggesting that meditation was the solution to all their ills, from the plague to cancer. Luckily it actually worked for this.
answered 1 hour ago
Separatrix
68.2k30160267
While basically correct, I was seeking for a way where nobody uses the pill. This kinda suggests that the wealthy Vulcans may still use the pill... But still, this answer made me chuckle :)
– Pavel Janicek
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Their health insurance didn't cover that sort of thing
While being a technologically advanced race, they still had some ingrained capitalist beliefs. This caused some issues with medical care and while technologically they had the pills available, they would cost thousands a month to actually take. Some nutter kept putting out videos on VulcanTube suggesting that meditation was the solution to all their ills, from the plague to cancer. Luckily it actually worked for this.
answered 1 hour ago
Separatrix
68.2k30160267
Their health insurance didn't cover that sort of thing
While being a technologically advanced race, they still had some ingrained capitalist beliefs. This caused some issues with medical care and while technologically they had the pills available, they would cost thousands a month to actually take. Some nutter kept putting out videos on VulcanTube suggesting that meditation was the solution to all their ills, from the plague to cancer. Luckily it actually worked for this.
answered 1 hour ago
Separatrix
68.2k30160267
answered 1 hour ago
Separatrix
68.2k30160267
answered 1 hour ago
Separatrix
68.2k30160267
answered 1 hour ago
Separatrix
68.2k30160267
68.2k30160267
While basically correct, I was seeking for a way where nobody uses the pill. This kinda suggests that the wealthy Vulcans may still use the pill... But still, this answer made me chuckle :)
– Pavel Janicek
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
While basically correct, I was seeking for a way where nobody uses the pill. This kinda suggests that the wealthy Vulcans may still use the pill... But still, this answer made me chuckle :)
– Pavel Janicek
25 mins ago
While basically correct, I was seeking for a way where nobody uses the pill. This kinda suggests that the wealthy Vulcans may still use the pill... But still, this answer made me chuckle :)
– Pavel Janicek
25 mins ago
While basically correct, I was seeking for a way where nobody uses the pill. This kinda suggests that the wealthy Vulcans may still use the pill... But still, this answer made me chuckle :)
– Pavel Janicek
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Just to Add to Darthdonuts answer which is very good. Taking a pill instead of meditating would save perhaps an hour or two per day per "Vulcan".
Production Chain
But then you need to produce enough raw materials which would take a lot of workers worldwide to produce, you then need to refine those materials into the drug, requiring more workers and resources, which then needs to be transported around the world, needing more resources and workers. and that's before you start putting people into space where producing the drug might be difficult and storing might take up a lot of space for long duration missions. (i'm intentionally leaving replicators out here!)
Going to all that effort to produce something that people can solve themselves by a little bit of meditating seems pretty ILLOGICAL to me
Resistance
Then consider that there is not a single 1 size fits all ADHD drug (or most drugs), some drugs work for the majority of people but there will always be those that either have diminishing returns on the drugs effectiveness of their lifetime of use, or they are resistant to the drug from the beginning, do you leave those people behind?
Save time for...
This very logical species... would be unlikely to produce much in the way of film or videogames, as those practices are not a logical use of your time. but time not working is improtant for the health of the people, so what are they going to do with their time that has been saved by taking the pill?
Side Effects
To my knowledge, other that the potential for a number backside or maybe back ache from sitting incorrectly Meditation has not negative side efffects, however drugs can have a number of side effectss
answered 1 hour ago
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Just to Add to Darthdonuts answer which is very good. Taking a pill instead of meditating would save perhaps an hour or two per day per "Vulcan".
Production Chain
But then you need to produce enough raw materials which would take a lot of workers worldwide to produce, you then need to refine those materials into the drug, requiring more workers and resources, which then needs to be transported around the world, needing more resources and workers. and that's before you start putting people into space where producing the drug might be difficult and storing might take up a lot of space for long duration missions. (i'm intentionally leaving replicators out here!)
Going to all that effort to produce something that people can solve themselves by a little bit of meditating seems pretty ILLOGICAL to me
Resistance
Then consider that there is not a single 1 size fits all ADHD drug (or most drugs), some drugs work for the majority of people but there will always be those that either have diminishing returns on the drugs effectiveness of their lifetime of use, or they are resistant to the drug from the beginning, do you leave those people behind?
Save time for...
This very logical species... would be unlikely to produce much in the way of film or videogames, as those practices are not a logical use of your time. but time not working is improtant for the health of the people, so what are they going to do with their time that has been saved by taking the pill?
Side Effects
To my knowledge, other that the potential for a number backside or maybe back ache from sitting incorrectly Meditation has not negative side efffects, however drugs can have a number of side effectss
answered 1 hour ago
Blade Wraith
5,650833
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Just to Add to Darthdonuts answer which is very good. Taking a pill instead of meditating would save perhaps an hour or two per day per "Vulcan".
Production Chain
But then you need to produce enough raw materials which would take a lot of workers worldwide to produce, you then need to refine those materials into the drug, requiring more workers and resources, which then needs to be transported around the world, needing more resources and workers. and that's before you start putting people into space where producing the drug might be difficult and storing might take up a lot of space for long duration missions. (i'm intentionally leaving replicators out here!)
Going to all that effort to produce something that people can solve themselves by a little bit of meditating seems pretty ILLOGICAL to me
Resistance
Then consider that there is not a single 1 size fits all ADHD drug (or most drugs), some drugs work for the majority of people but there will always be those that either have diminishing returns on the drugs effectiveness of their lifetime of use, or they are resistant to the drug from the beginning, do you leave those people behind?
Save time for...
This very logical species... would be unlikely to produce much in the way of film or videogames, as those practices are not a logical use of your time. but time not working is improtant for the health of the people, so what are they going to do with their time that has been saved by taking the pill?
Side Effects
To my knowledge, other that the potential for a number backside or maybe back ache from sitting incorrectly Meditation has not negative side efffects, however drugs can have a number of side effectss
answered 1 hour ago
Blade Wraith
5,650833
Just to Add to Darthdonuts answer which is very good. Taking a pill instead of meditating would save perhaps an hour or two per day per "Vulcan".
Production Chain
But then you need to produce enough raw materials which would take a lot of workers worldwide to produce, you then need to refine those materials into the drug, requiring more workers and resources, which then needs to be transported around the world, needing more resources and workers. and that's before you start putting people into space where producing the drug might be difficult and storing might take up a lot of space for long duration missions. (i'm intentionally leaving replicators out here!)
Going to all that effort to produce something that people can solve themselves by a little bit of meditating seems pretty ILLOGICAL to me
Resistance
Then consider that there is not a single 1 size fits all ADHD drug (or most drugs), some drugs work for the majority of people but there will always be those that either have diminishing returns on the drugs effectiveness of their lifetime of use, or they are resistant to the drug from the beginning, do you leave those people behind?
Save time for...
This very logical species... would be unlikely to produce much in the way of film or videogames, as those practices are not a logical use of your time. but time not working is improtant for the health of the people, so what are they going to do with their time that has been saved by taking the pill?
Side Effects
To my knowledge, other that the potential for a number backside or maybe back ache from sitting incorrectly Meditation has not negative side efffects, however drugs can have a number of side effectss
answered 1 hour ago
Blade Wraith
5,650833
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Blade Wraith
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Maybe they view the ADHD stage of life as childhood and they are considered proper adults once they are capable of controlling their mind and overcoming their natural deficiency (Similar to achieving enlightenment)
– Shadowzee
49 mins ago