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Does the Scythe of the Wretched + Crypt Rats combo really work, and how?
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I've searched this and everywhere it says the Crypt Rats + Scythe of the Wretched combo works. But the Gatherer ruling for Scythe of the Wretched says something I found incompatible:
Scythe of the Wretched needs to equip your creature when the other
creature goes to the graveyard for the ability to trigger, but it
doesn’t matter whether the Scythe equipped your creature when the
damage was actually dealt.
So if I equip the Crypt Rats with the Scythe, and use their ability to deal damage to all creatures, enough to kill the Crypt Rats themselves, what really happens when the Crypt Rats die? The ruling seems to mean that for this combo to work, the rats should be considered as both equipped and going to the graveyard. Is that possible?
How would this work if there are several creatures on the battlefield and the Crypt Rats have deathtouch (for example if I have a Ogre Slumlord in play)?
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I've searched this and everywhere it says the Crypt Rats + Scythe of the Wretched combo works. But the Gatherer ruling for Scythe of the Wretched says something I found incompatible:
Scythe of the Wretched needs to equip your creature when the other
creature goes to the graveyard for the ability to trigger, but it
doesn’t matter whether the Scythe equipped your creature when the
damage was actually dealt.
So if I equip the Crypt Rats with the Scythe, and use their ability to deal damage to all creatures, enough to kill the Crypt Rats themselves, what really happens when the Crypt Rats die? The ruling seems to mean that for this combo to work, the rats should be considered as both equipped and going to the graveyard. Is that possible?
How would this work if there are several creatures on the battlefield and the Crypt Rats have deathtouch (for example if I have a Ogre Slumlord in play)?
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I've searched this and everywhere it says the Crypt Rats + Scythe of the Wretched combo works. But the Gatherer ruling for Scythe of the Wretched says something I found incompatible:
Scythe of the Wretched needs to equip your creature when the other
creature goes to the graveyard for the ability to trigger, but it
doesn’t matter whether the Scythe equipped your creature when the
damage was actually dealt.
So if I equip the Crypt Rats with the Scythe, and use their ability to deal damage to all creatures, enough to kill the Crypt Rats themselves, what really happens when the Crypt Rats die? The ruling seems to mean that for this combo to work, the rats should be considered as both equipped and going to the graveyard. Is that possible?
How would this work if there are several creatures on the battlefield and the Crypt Rats have deathtouch (for example if I have a Ogre Slumlord in play)?
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liberforce
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I've searched this and everywhere it says the Crypt Rats + Scythe of the Wretched combo works. But the Gatherer ruling for Scythe of the Wretched says something I found incompatible:
Scythe of the Wretched needs to equip your creature when the other
creature goes to the graveyard for the ability to trigger, but it
doesn’t matter whether the Scythe equipped your creature when the
damage was actually dealt.
So if I equip the Crypt Rats with the Scythe, and use their ability to deal damage to all creatures, enough to kill the Crypt Rats themselves, what really happens when the Crypt Rats die? The ruling seems to mean that for this combo to work, the rats should be considered as both equipped and going to the graveyard. Is that possible?
How would this work if there are several creatures on the battlefield and the Crypt Rats have deathtouch (for example if I have a Ogre Slumlord in play)?
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Say you have Crypt Rats in play, equipped with the scythe. You activate their ability (either for 1 mana and the rats have deathtouch, or just by spending lots of mana). Either way, lots of creatures receive lethal damage. Here is what would happen:
- The rats' ability resolves, dealing lethal damage to several creatures
- After the ability has finished resolving, but before anyone gets priority, state-based actions are checked, and many creatures are destroyed
- As these creatures are destroyed, the scythe triggers once for each creature destroyed this way, because
- They were dealt damage by the rats this turn, and
- The rats had the scythe equipped immediately before the destruction occurred
- Again, before anyone receives priority, all the scythe's triggers are put on the stack.
You now have a stack full of scythe triggers, each one returning a creature from their owner's graveyard to the battlefield under your control, with the scythe attached. You controlled the scythe, so you decide which order they are put on stack, which means that you decide which order these creatures enter the battlefield.
The order of resurrection may matter because the creatures enter the battlefield one by one, and may care about how many creatures are on the battlefield when they enter or how many creatures enter after them. The order really matters because the last one will be the one which ultimately ends up with the scythe equipped and therefore get +2/+2 and the resurrection ability, meaning you probably want that to be the rats.
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Say you have Crypt Rats in play, equipped with the scythe. You activate their ability (either for 1 mana and the rats have deathtouch, or just by spending lots of mana). Either way, lots of creatures receive lethal damage. Here is what would happen:
- The rats' ability resolves, dealing lethal damage to several creatures
- After the ability has finished resolving, but before anyone gets priority, state-based actions are checked, and many creatures are destroyed
- As these creatures are destroyed, the scythe triggers once for each creature destroyed this way, because
- They were dealt damage by the rats this turn, and
- The rats had the scythe equipped immediately before the destruction occurred
- Again, before anyone receives priority, all the scythe's triggers are put on the stack.
You now have a stack full of scythe triggers, each one returning a creature from their owner's graveyard to the battlefield under your control, with the scythe attached. You controlled the scythe, so you decide which order they are put on stack, which means that you decide which order these creatures enter the battlefield.
The order of resurrection may matter because the creatures enter the battlefield one by one, and may care about how many creatures are on the battlefield when they enter or how many creatures enter after them. The order really matters because the last one will be the one which ultimately ends up with the scythe equipped and therefore get +2/+2 and the resurrection ability, meaning you probably want that to be the rats.
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Say you have Crypt Rats in play, equipped with the scythe. You activate their ability (either for 1 mana and the rats have deathtouch, or just by spending lots of mana). Either way, lots of creatures receive lethal damage. Here is what would happen:
- The rats' ability resolves, dealing lethal damage to several creatures
- After the ability has finished resolving, but before anyone gets priority, state-based actions are checked, and many creatures are destroyed
- As these creatures are destroyed, the scythe triggers once for each creature destroyed this way, because
- They were dealt damage by the rats this turn, and
- The rats had the scythe equipped immediately before the destruction occurred
- Again, before anyone receives priority, all the scythe's triggers are put on the stack.
You now have a stack full of scythe triggers, each one returning a creature from their owner's graveyard to the battlefield under your control, with the scythe attached. You controlled the scythe, so you decide which order they are put on stack, which means that you decide which order these creatures enter the battlefield.
The order of resurrection may matter because the creatures enter the battlefield one by one, and may care about how many creatures are on the battlefield when they enter or how many creatures enter after them. The order really matters because the last one will be the one which ultimately ends up with the scythe equipped and therefore get +2/+2 and the resurrection ability, meaning you probably want that to be the rats.
answered 22 mins ago
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Say you have Crypt Rats in play, equipped with the scythe. You activate their ability (either for 1 mana and the rats have deathtouch, or just by spending lots of mana). Either way, lots of creatures receive lethal damage. Here is what would happen:
- The rats' ability resolves, dealing lethal damage to several creatures
- After the ability has finished resolving, but before anyone gets priority, state-based actions are checked, and many creatures are destroyed
- As these creatures are destroyed, the scythe triggers once for each creature destroyed this way, because
- They were dealt damage by the rats this turn, and
- The rats had the scythe equipped immediately before the destruction occurred
- Again, before anyone receives priority, all the scythe's triggers are put on the stack.
You now have a stack full of scythe triggers, each one returning a creature from their owner's graveyard to the battlefield under your control, with the scythe attached. You controlled the scythe, so you decide which order they are put on stack, which means that you decide which order these creatures enter the battlefield.
The order of resurrection may matter because the creatures enter the battlefield one by one, and may care about how many creatures are on the battlefield when they enter or how many creatures enter after them. The order really matters because the last one will be the one which ultimately ends up with the scythe equipped and therefore get +2/+2 and the resurrection ability, meaning you probably want that to be the rats.
answered 22 mins ago
Arthur
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Say you have Crypt Rats in play, equipped with the scythe. You activate their ability (either for 1 mana and the rats have deathtouch, or just by spending lots of mana). Either way, lots of creatures receive lethal damage. Here is what would happen:
- The rats' ability resolves, dealing lethal damage to several creatures
- After the ability has finished resolving, but before anyone gets priority, state-based actions are checked, and many creatures are destroyed
- As these creatures are destroyed, the scythe triggers once for each creature destroyed this way, because
- They were dealt damage by the rats this turn, and
- The rats had the scythe equipped immediately before the destruction occurred
- Again, before anyone receives priority, all the scythe's triggers are put on the stack.
You now have a stack full of scythe triggers, each one returning a creature from their owner's graveyard to the battlefield under your control, with the scythe attached. You controlled the scythe, so you decide which order they are put on stack, which means that you decide which order these creatures enter the battlefield.
The order of resurrection may matter because the creatures enter the battlefield one by one, and may care about how many creatures are on the battlefield when they enter or how many creatures enter after them. The order really matters because the last one will be the one which ultimately ends up with the scythe equipped and therefore get +2/+2 and the resurrection ability, meaning you probably want that to be the rats.
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