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Is hitting creatures with Steelwind Strike considered “using†a weapon?
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Steelwind Strike's spell description states:
You flourish the weapon used in the casting and then vanish to strike like the wind. Choose up to five creatures you can see within range. Make a melee spell attack against each target. On a hit, a target takes 6d10 force damage.
Now, we know that Steelwind Strike isn't a melee weapon attack. Attacks can either be a melee or a ranged attack and they can either be a spell or a weapon attack (so 4 types total). Sometimes it matters, but for the purposes of this question, I wanted to get that out of the way. Jeremy Crawford confirms this.
My question is in regards to Great Weapon Fighting and Great Weapon Master, both of which have similar wording.
Great Weapon Fighting is described as follows (emphasis mine)
When you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an Attack you make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new roll, even if the new roll is a 1 or a 2. The weapon must have the Two-Handed or Versatile property for you to gain this benefit.
Great Weapon Master is described as follows (emphasis mine)
- On your turn, when you score a critical hit with a melee weapon or reduce a creature to 0 hit points with one, you can make one melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
In my mind, this all hinges on whether or not Steelwind Strike is considered to be using your weapon or not. All other requirements are satisfied. You are making a melee attack (weapon attack is not specified) with Steelwind Strike's melee spell attack, which satisfies Great Weapon Master. You are obviously making an attack, so Great Weapon Fighting is satisfied. This leads me to conclude that if I am using that weapon, I can take a penalty for +10 damage on the spell effect, I can reroll 1s and 2s for the damage dice rolled, and if I kill something I can make a single melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
The question is: Are you making these attacks with a weapon?
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Steelwind Strike's spell description states:
You flourish the weapon used in the casting and then vanish to strike like the wind. Choose up to five creatures you can see within range. Make a melee spell attack against each target. On a hit, a target takes 6d10 force damage.
Now, we know that Steelwind Strike isn't a melee weapon attack. Attacks can either be a melee or a ranged attack and they can either be a spell or a weapon attack (so 4 types total). Sometimes it matters, but for the purposes of this question, I wanted to get that out of the way. Jeremy Crawford confirms this.
My question is in regards to Great Weapon Fighting and Great Weapon Master, both of which have similar wording.
Great Weapon Fighting is described as follows (emphasis mine)
When you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an Attack you make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new roll, even if the new roll is a 1 or a 2. The weapon must have the Two-Handed or Versatile property for you to gain this benefit.
Great Weapon Master is described as follows (emphasis mine)
- On your turn, when you score a critical hit with a melee weapon or reduce a creature to 0 hit points with one, you can make one melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
In my mind, this all hinges on whether or not Steelwind Strike is considered to be using your weapon or not. All other requirements are satisfied. You are making a melee attack (weapon attack is not specified) with Steelwind Strike's melee spell attack, which satisfies Great Weapon Master. You are obviously making an attack, so Great Weapon Fighting is satisfied. This leads me to conclude that if I am using that weapon, I can take a penalty for +10 damage on the spell effect, I can reroll 1s and 2s for the damage dice rolled, and if I kill something I can make a single melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
The question is: Are you making these attacks with a weapon?
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Steelwind Strike's spell description states:
You flourish the weapon used in the casting and then vanish to strike like the wind. Choose up to five creatures you can see within range. Make a melee spell attack against each target. On a hit, a target takes 6d10 force damage.
Now, we know that Steelwind Strike isn't a melee weapon attack. Attacks can either be a melee or a ranged attack and they can either be a spell or a weapon attack (so 4 types total). Sometimes it matters, but for the purposes of this question, I wanted to get that out of the way. Jeremy Crawford confirms this.
My question is in regards to Great Weapon Fighting and Great Weapon Master, both of which have similar wording.
Great Weapon Fighting is described as follows (emphasis mine)
When you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an Attack you make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new roll, even if the new roll is a 1 or a 2. The weapon must have the Two-Handed or Versatile property for you to gain this benefit.
Great Weapon Master is described as follows (emphasis mine)
- On your turn, when you score a critical hit with a melee weapon or reduce a creature to 0 hit points with one, you can make one melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
In my mind, this all hinges on whether or not Steelwind Strike is considered to be using your weapon or not. All other requirements are satisfied. You are making a melee attack (weapon attack is not specified) with Steelwind Strike's melee spell attack, which satisfies Great Weapon Master. You are obviously making an attack, so Great Weapon Fighting is satisfied. This leads me to conclude that if I am using that weapon, I can take a penalty for +10 damage on the spell effect, I can reroll 1s and 2s for the damage dice rolled, and if I kill something I can make a single melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
The question is: Are you making these attacks with a weapon?
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Steelwind Strike's spell description states:
You flourish the weapon used in the casting and then vanish to strike like the wind. Choose up to five creatures you can see within range. Make a melee spell attack against each target. On a hit, a target takes 6d10 force damage.
Now, we know that Steelwind Strike isn't a melee weapon attack. Attacks can either be a melee or a ranged attack and they can either be a spell or a weapon attack (so 4 types total). Sometimes it matters, but for the purposes of this question, I wanted to get that out of the way. Jeremy Crawford confirms this.
My question is in regards to Great Weapon Fighting and Great Weapon Master, both of which have similar wording.
Great Weapon Fighting is described as follows (emphasis mine)
When you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an Attack you make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new roll, even if the new roll is a 1 or a 2. The weapon must have the Two-Handed or Versatile property for you to gain this benefit.
Great Weapon Master is described as follows (emphasis mine)
- On your turn, when you score a critical hit with a melee weapon or reduce a creature to 0 hit points with one, you can make one melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
In my mind, this all hinges on whether or not Steelwind Strike is considered to be using your weapon or not. All other requirements are satisfied. You are making a melee attack (weapon attack is not specified) with Steelwind Strike's melee spell attack, which satisfies Great Weapon Master. You are obviously making an attack, so Great Weapon Fighting is satisfied. This leads me to conclude that if I am using that weapon, I can take a penalty for +10 damage on the spell effect, I can reroll 1s and 2s for the damage dice rolled, and if I kill something I can make a single melee weapon attack as a bonus action.
The question is: Are you making these attacks with a weapon?
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Thank you for the clarification on the wording of the spell!
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Thank you for the clarification on the wording of the spell!
– Premier Bromanov
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Thank you for the clarification on the wording of the spell!
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You aren't using the weapon in the attack
The melee spell attacks are part of the spell's effect while the weapon used is a material component (part of the casting):
Components: S, M (a melee weapon worth at least 1 sp)
You don't use material components to make the attacks, the components of the spell are part of the casting, which results in the spell effect (emphasis mine):
Each spell description begins with a block of information, including the spell's name, level, school of magic, casting time, range, components, and duration. The rest of a spell entry describes the spell's effect.
[...]
Material (M)
Casting some spells requires particular objects...
Material components and other elements of casting are completely separate from the spell effect (which includes the attacks). As such, you are not using the weapon to make any attack and features like Great Weapon Fighting will not apply.
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I think I need more to back this up. Why does being a material component make it not "used"?
– Premier Bromanov
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@PrimierBromanov it is used as part of the casting, but a spell attack doesn't care what you use to cast since it is a spell effect. I'll add more context
– David Coffron
15 mins ago
Totally agree. You're not throwing a greatsword at 5 targets to make force damage.
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You aren't using the weapon in the attack
The melee spell attacks are part of the spell's effect while the weapon used is a material component (part of the casting):
Components: S, M (a melee weapon worth at least 1 sp)
You don't use material components to make the attacks, the components of the spell are part of the casting, which results in the spell effect (emphasis mine):
Each spell description begins with a block of information, including the spell's name, level, school of magic, casting time, range, components, and duration. The rest of a spell entry describes the spell's effect.
[...]
Material (M)
Casting some spells requires particular objects...
Material components and other elements of casting are completely separate from the spell effect (which includes the attacks). As such, you are not using the weapon to make any attack and features like Great Weapon Fighting will not apply.
answered 1 hour ago
David Coffron
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I think I need more to back this up. Why does being a material component make it not "used"?
– Premier Bromanov
17 mins ago
@PrimierBromanov it is used as part of the casting, but a spell attack doesn't care what you use to cast since it is a spell effect. I'll add more context
– David Coffron
15 mins ago
Totally agree. You're not throwing a greatsword at 5 targets to make force damage.
– BlueMoon93
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
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You aren't using the weapon in the attack
The melee spell attacks are part of the spell's effect while the weapon used is a material component (part of the casting):
Components: S, M (a melee weapon worth at least 1 sp)
You don't use material components to make the attacks, the components of the spell are part of the casting, which results in the spell effect (emphasis mine):
Each spell description begins with a block of information, including the spell's name, level, school of magic, casting time, range, components, and duration. The rest of a spell entry describes the spell's effect.
[...]
Material (M)
Casting some spells requires particular objects...
Material components and other elements of casting are completely separate from the spell effect (which includes the attacks). As such, you are not using the weapon to make any attack and features like Great Weapon Fighting will not apply.
answered 1 hour ago
David Coffron
30.3k2104209
1
I think I need more to back this up. Why does being a material component make it not "used"?
– Premier Bromanov
17 mins ago
@PrimierBromanov it is used as part of the casting, but a spell attack doesn't care what you use to cast since it is a spell effect. I'll add more context
– David Coffron
15 mins ago
Totally agree. You're not throwing a greatsword at 5 targets to make force damage.
– BlueMoon93
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
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up vote
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down vote
You aren't using the weapon in the attack
The melee spell attacks are part of the spell's effect while the weapon used is a material component (part of the casting):
Components: S, M (a melee weapon worth at least 1 sp)
You don't use material components to make the attacks, the components of the spell are part of the casting, which results in the spell effect (emphasis mine):
Each spell description begins with a block of information, including the spell's name, level, school of magic, casting time, range, components, and duration. The rest of a spell entry describes the spell's effect.
[...]
Material (M)
Casting some spells requires particular objects...
Material components and other elements of casting are completely separate from the spell effect (which includes the attacks). As such, you are not using the weapon to make any attack and features like Great Weapon Fighting will not apply.
answered 1 hour ago
David Coffron
30.3k2104209
You aren't using the weapon in the attack
The melee spell attacks are part of the spell's effect while the weapon used is a material component (part of the casting):
Components: S, M (a melee weapon worth at least 1 sp)
You don't use material components to make the attacks, the components of the spell are part of the casting, which results in the spell effect (emphasis mine):
Each spell description begins with a block of information, including the spell's name, level, school of magic, casting time, range, components, and duration. The rest of a spell entry describes the spell's effect.
[...]
Material (M)
Casting some spells requires particular objects...
Material components and other elements of casting are completely separate from the spell effect (which includes the attacks). As such, you are not using the weapon to make any attack and features like Great Weapon Fighting will not apply.
answered 1 hour ago
David Coffron
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answered 1 hour ago
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answered 1 hour ago
David Coffron
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answered 1 hour ago
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I think I need more to back this up. Why does being a material component make it not "used"?
– Premier Bromanov
17 mins ago
@PrimierBromanov it is used as part of the casting, but a spell attack doesn't care what you use to cast since it is a spell effect. I'll add more context
– David Coffron
15 mins ago
Totally agree. You're not throwing a greatsword at 5 targets to make force damage.
– BlueMoon93
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
1
I think I need more to back this up. Why does being a material component make it not "used"?
– Premier Bromanov
17 mins ago
@PrimierBromanov it is used as part of the casting, but a spell attack doesn't care what you use to cast since it is a spell effect. I'll add more context
– David Coffron
15 mins ago
Totally agree. You're not throwing a greatsword at 5 targets to make force damage.
– BlueMoon93
13 mins ago
1
1
I think I need more to back this up. Why does being a material component make it not "used"?
– Premier Bromanov
17 mins ago
I think I need more to back this up. Why does being a material component make it not "used"?
– Premier Bromanov
17 mins ago
@PrimierBromanov it is used as part of the casting, but a spell attack doesn't care what you use to cast since it is a spell effect. I'll add more context
– David Coffron
15 mins ago
@PrimierBromanov it is used as part of the casting, but a spell attack doesn't care what you use to cast since it is a spell effect. I'll add more context
– David Coffron
15 mins ago
Totally agree. You're not throwing a greatsword at 5 targets to make force damage.
– BlueMoon93
13 mins ago
Totally agree. You're not throwing a greatsword at 5 targets to make force damage.
– BlueMoon93
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Thank you for the clarification on the wording of the spell!
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