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In my fantasy country, there is a tight government control over painkillers for reasons I can’t get into now. Their technology is the same as ours, if not a bit better.
There are government mandated somewhat invasive implants that many are having faked to get in without the full cost of official immigration.
- You have a fully trained surgeon with full equipment, just no painkillers outside of basic cold packs.
- The implants are just below the navel, and on the back of the head where it meets the neck.
- There are also implants to detect err... let’s just say delightful times, on women placed below the belt unless they pay for a permit to remove them.
How would these be done?
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In my fantasy country, there is a tight government control over painkillers for reasons I can’t get into now. Their technology is the same as ours, if not a bit better.
There are government mandated somewhat invasive implants that many are having faked to get in without the full cost of official immigration.
- You have a fully trained surgeon with full equipment, just no painkillers outside of basic cold packs.
- The implants are just below the navel, and on the back of the head where it meets the neck.
- There are also implants to detect err... let’s just say delightful times, on women placed below the belt unless they pay for a permit to remove them.
How would these be done?
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somewhat invasive implants — how invasive, exactly? "many are faking to get in without the full cost of official immigration" — I totally don't get what this part is about. no painkillers outside of basic cold packs — prohibition never really works, right? So this requirement is unrealistic.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
So this prohibition is working. By somewhat invasive I mean they are large enough to require a significant procedure. The bit about imigration is just like what we have today with people crossing borders illegally.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
58 mins ago
By definition, an implant is invasive.
– elemtilas
46 mins ago
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(1) I believe that you mean anaesthetics and not painkillers. Painkillers, such as aspirin, are not used for surgical procedures, because they would be useless. The purpose of anaesthesia is not so much to suppress pain but mainly to prevent involuntary movements and keep the muscles relaxed. (2) Chloroform is very easy to make in house; so easy that it sometimes gets produced accidentally...
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46 mins ago
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In my fantasy country, there is a tight government control over painkillers for reasons I can’t get into now. Their technology is the same as ours, if not a bit better.
There are government mandated somewhat invasive implants that many are having faked to get in without the full cost of official immigration.
- You have a fully trained surgeon with full equipment, just no painkillers outside of basic cold packs.
- The implants are just below the navel, and on the back of the head where it meets the neck.
- There are also implants to detect err... let’s just say delightful times, on women placed below the belt unless they pay for a permit to remove them.
How would these be done?
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In my fantasy country, there is a tight government control over painkillers for reasons I can’t get into now. Their technology is the same as ours, if not a bit better.
There are government mandated somewhat invasive implants that many are having faked to get in without the full cost of official immigration.
- You have a fully trained surgeon with full equipment, just no painkillers outside of basic cold packs.
- The implants are just below the navel, and on the back of the head where it meets the neck.
- There are also implants to detect err... let’s just say delightful times, on women placed below the belt unless they pay for a permit to remove them.
How would these be done?
dystopia medical
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somewhat invasive implants — how invasive, exactly? "many are faking to get in without the full cost of official immigration" — I totally don't get what this part is about. no painkillers outside of basic cold packs — prohibition never really works, right? So this requirement is unrealistic.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
So this prohibition is working. By somewhat invasive I mean they are large enough to require a significant procedure. The bit about imigration is just like what we have today with people crossing borders illegally.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
58 mins ago
By definition, an implant is invasive.
– elemtilas
46 mins ago
1
(1) I believe that you mean anaesthetics and not painkillers. Painkillers, such as aspirin, are not used for surgical procedures, because they would be useless. The purpose of anaesthesia is not so much to suppress pain but mainly to prevent involuntary movements and keep the muscles relaxed. (2) Chloroform is very easy to make in house; so easy that it sometimes gets produced accidentally...
– AlexP
46 mins ago
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somewhat invasive implants — how invasive, exactly? "many are faking to get in without the full cost of official immigration" — I totally don't get what this part is about. no painkillers outside of basic cold packs — prohibition never really works, right? So this requirement is unrealistic.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
So this prohibition is working. By somewhat invasive I mean they are large enough to require a significant procedure. The bit about imigration is just like what we have today with people crossing borders illegally.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
58 mins ago
By definition, an implant is invasive.
– elemtilas
46 mins ago
1
(1) I believe that you mean anaesthetics and not painkillers. Painkillers, such as aspirin, are not used for surgical procedures, because they would be useless. The purpose of anaesthesia is not so much to suppress pain but mainly to prevent involuntary movements and keep the muscles relaxed. (2) Chloroform is very easy to make in house; so easy that it sometimes gets produced accidentally...
– AlexP
46 mins ago
somewhat invasive implants — how invasive, exactly? "many are faking to get in without the full cost of official immigration" — I totally don't get what this part is about. no painkillers outside of basic cold packs — prohibition never really works, right? So this requirement is unrealistic.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
somewhat invasive implants — how invasive, exactly? "many are faking to get in without the full cost of official immigration" — I totally don't get what this part is about. no painkillers outside of basic cold packs — prohibition never really works, right? So this requirement is unrealistic.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
So this prohibition is working. By somewhat invasive I mean they are large enough to require a significant procedure. The bit about imigration is just like what we have today with people crossing borders illegally.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
58 mins ago
So this prohibition is working. By somewhat invasive I mean they are large enough to require a significant procedure. The bit about imigration is just like what we have today with people crossing borders illegally.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
58 mins ago
By definition, an implant is invasive.
– elemtilas
46 mins ago
By definition, an implant is invasive.
– elemtilas
46 mins ago
1
1
(1) I believe that you mean anaesthetics and not painkillers. Painkillers, such as aspirin, are not used for surgical procedures, because they would be useless. The purpose of anaesthesia is not so much to suppress pain but mainly to prevent involuntary movements and keep the muscles relaxed. (2) Chloroform is very easy to make in house; so easy that it sometimes gets produced accidentally...
– AlexP
46 mins ago
(1) I believe that you mean anaesthetics and not painkillers. Painkillers, such as aspirin, are not used for surgical procedures, because they would be useless. The purpose of anaesthesia is not so much to suppress pain but mainly to prevent involuntary movements and keep the muscles relaxed. (2) Chloroform is very easy to make in house; so easy that it sometimes gets produced accidentally...
– AlexP
46 mins ago
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By definition, all implants are invasive...
Assuming that our surgeon is working under the table in an effort to supply illegal aliens with counterfeit implants, and that whatever complexities involved in the process of making the devices is handwaved, the actual surgical procedures are quite simple.
We'll assume two devices: one is very small, no larger than an 80mg aspirin pill; the other about an inch long and a square centimetre in cross section. We'll also assume that the devices are sterile!
- The first device is easy to implant: a needle is inserted into the tissue below the occiput and aspirated (you don't want to put the implant into a vein!). A guide pin is then inserted down the bore of the needle, which is removed. A series of increasingly large cannulas are placed over the guide pin. These will create some space for the implant injector. Lastly, the injector itself, with the implant loaded, is placed over the guide pin and the handle depressed. The implant is safely lodged within. A dab of tissue glue helps hold the implant in place. May or may not need a stitch. A little skin glue should be sufficient on the surface.
- The second device will require a little more work. Basically, make a stab incision in the umbillicus and use a clamp to create a pocket within the subcutaneous tissue. Suture the device to the person's tissue (prevents inadvertent or intentional removal) and stitch up the fascia. Will probably require a single stitch or two in the subcutaneous layer and maybe some skin glue.
- Your country is very weird! I've got no idea where exactly, "below the belt" implies. The actual procedure will be very much like one of the above.
Ah, yes the issue of pain. Well, your "patient" is an illegal alien trying to subvert the law. A little pain won't do him any real harm.
Cold packs are a good start. There is a minor analgesic effect with the cold. Other than that, I'd suggest the use of nitrous oxide. Perhaps a little midazolam. Patient will feel discomfort and pain, but really won't give a damn! Just keep them comfortable until they're safely out of the clinic!
An actual veterinary ID implant:
And its insertion device:
This implant is absolutely huge compared to the suggested device, but you can see ho the pocket is made and the device is seated within:
answered 47 mins ago
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In lieu of painkillers you can use sedatives. You don't feel pain if you are knocked out.
If you don't want them to have painkillers because you don't want them to have access to medicines, remember that not all sedatives come in the form of pills. Kids in schools have challengermd Darwin throught history by playing pass out games. A doctor in an underground clinic could "play" one such game with a patient. Have thw patient breath really hard for a while then sucker punch them in the solar plexus. Have a nurse make sure the patient stays alive.
After the fainting, the implant insertion becomes a regular, everyday procedure.
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By definition, all implants are invasive...
Assuming that our surgeon is working under the table in an effort to supply illegal aliens with counterfeit implants, and that whatever complexities involved in the process of making the devices is handwaved, the actual surgical procedures are quite simple.
We'll assume two devices: one is very small, no larger than an 80mg aspirin pill; the other about an inch long and a square centimetre in cross section. We'll also assume that the devices are sterile!
- The first device is easy to implant: a needle is inserted into the tissue below the occiput and aspirated (you don't want to put the implant into a vein!). A guide pin is then inserted down the bore of the needle, which is removed. A series of increasingly large cannulas are placed over the guide pin. These will create some space for the implant injector. Lastly, the injector itself, with the implant loaded, is placed over the guide pin and the handle depressed. The implant is safely lodged within. A dab of tissue glue helps hold the implant in place. May or may not need a stitch. A little skin glue should be sufficient on the surface.
- The second device will require a little more work. Basically, make a stab incision in the umbillicus and use a clamp to create a pocket within the subcutaneous tissue. Suture the device to the person's tissue (prevents inadvertent or intentional removal) and stitch up the fascia. Will probably require a single stitch or two in the subcutaneous layer and maybe some skin glue.
- Your country is very weird! I've got no idea where exactly, "below the belt" implies. The actual procedure will be very much like one of the above.
Ah, yes the issue of pain. Well, your "patient" is an illegal alien trying to subvert the law. A little pain won't do him any real harm.
Cold packs are a good start. There is a minor analgesic effect with the cold. Other than that, I'd suggest the use of nitrous oxide. Perhaps a little midazolam. Patient will feel discomfort and pain, but really won't give a damn! Just keep them comfortable until they're safely out of the clinic!
An actual veterinary ID implant:
And its insertion device:
This implant is absolutely huge compared to the suggested device, but you can see ho the pocket is made and the device is seated within:
answered 47 mins ago
elemtilas
8,49321844
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
By definition, all implants are invasive...
Assuming that our surgeon is working under the table in an effort to supply illegal aliens with counterfeit implants, and that whatever complexities involved in the process of making the devices is handwaved, the actual surgical procedures are quite simple.
We'll assume two devices: one is very small, no larger than an 80mg aspirin pill; the other about an inch long and a square centimetre in cross section. We'll also assume that the devices are sterile!
- The first device is easy to implant: a needle is inserted into the tissue below the occiput and aspirated (you don't want to put the implant into a vein!). A guide pin is then inserted down the bore of the needle, which is removed. A series of increasingly large cannulas are placed over the guide pin. These will create some space for the implant injector. Lastly, the injector itself, with the implant loaded, is placed over the guide pin and the handle depressed. The implant is safely lodged within. A dab of tissue glue helps hold the implant in place. May or may not need a stitch. A little skin glue should be sufficient on the surface.
- The second device will require a little more work. Basically, make a stab incision in the umbillicus and use a clamp to create a pocket within the subcutaneous tissue. Suture the device to the person's tissue (prevents inadvertent or intentional removal) and stitch up the fascia. Will probably require a single stitch or two in the subcutaneous layer and maybe some skin glue.
- Your country is very weird! I've got no idea where exactly, "below the belt" implies. The actual procedure will be very much like one of the above.
Ah, yes the issue of pain. Well, your "patient" is an illegal alien trying to subvert the law. A little pain won't do him any real harm.
Cold packs are a good start. There is a minor analgesic effect with the cold. Other than that, I'd suggest the use of nitrous oxide. Perhaps a little midazolam. Patient will feel discomfort and pain, but really won't give a damn! Just keep them comfortable until they're safely out of the clinic!
An actual veterinary ID implant:
And its insertion device:
This implant is absolutely huge compared to the suggested device, but you can see ho the pocket is made and the device is seated within:
answered 47 mins ago
elemtilas
8,49321844
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up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
By definition, all implants are invasive...
Assuming that our surgeon is working under the table in an effort to supply illegal aliens with counterfeit implants, and that whatever complexities involved in the process of making the devices is handwaved, the actual surgical procedures are quite simple.
We'll assume two devices: one is very small, no larger than an 80mg aspirin pill; the other about an inch long and a square centimetre in cross section. We'll also assume that the devices are sterile!
- The first device is easy to implant: a needle is inserted into the tissue below the occiput and aspirated (you don't want to put the implant into a vein!). A guide pin is then inserted down the bore of the needle, which is removed. A series of increasingly large cannulas are placed over the guide pin. These will create some space for the implant injector. Lastly, the injector itself, with the implant loaded, is placed over the guide pin and the handle depressed. The implant is safely lodged within. A dab of tissue glue helps hold the implant in place. May or may not need a stitch. A little skin glue should be sufficient on the surface.
- The second device will require a little more work. Basically, make a stab incision in the umbillicus and use a clamp to create a pocket within the subcutaneous tissue. Suture the device to the person's tissue (prevents inadvertent or intentional removal) and stitch up the fascia. Will probably require a single stitch or two in the subcutaneous layer and maybe some skin glue.
- Your country is very weird! I've got no idea where exactly, "below the belt" implies. The actual procedure will be very much like one of the above.
Ah, yes the issue of pain. Well, your "patient" is an illegal alien trying to subvert the law. A little pain won't do him any real harm.
Cold packs are a good start. There is a minor analgesic effect with the cold. Other than that, I'd suggest the use of nitrous oxide. Perhaps a little midazolam. Patient will feel discomfort and pain, but really won't give a damn! Just keep them comfortable until they're safely out of the clinic!
An actual veterinary ID implant:
And its insertion device:
This implant is absolutely huge compared to the suggested device, but you can see ho the pocket is made and the device is seated within:
answered 47 mins ago
elemtilas
8,49321844
By definition, all implants are invasive...
Assuming that our surgeon is working under the table in an effort to supply illegal aliens with counterfeit implants, and that whatever complexities involved in the process of making the devices is handwaved, the actual surgical procedures are quite simple.
We'll assume two devices: one is very small, no larger than an 80mg aspirin pill; the other about an inch long and a square centimetre in cross section. We'll also assume that the devices are sterile!
- The first device is easy to implant: a needle is inserted into the tissue below the occiput and aspirated (you don't want to put the implant into a vein!). A guide pin is then inserted down the bore of the needle, which is removed. A series of increasingly large cannulas are placed over the guide pin. These will create some space for the implant injector. Lastly, the injector itself, with the implant loaded, is placed over the guide pin and the handle depressed. The implant is safely lodged within. A dab of tissue glue helps hold the implant in place. May or may not need a stitch. A little skin glue should be sufficient on the surface.
- The second device will require a little more work. Basically, make a stab incision in the umbillicus and use a clamp to create a pocket within the subcutaneous tissue. Suture the device to the person's tissue (prevents inadvertent or intentional removal) and stitch up the fascia. Will probably require a single stitch or two in the subcutaneous layer and maybe some skin glue.
- Your country is very weird! I've got no idea where exactly, "below the belt" implies. The actual procedure will be very much like one of the above.
Ah, yes the issue of pain. Well, your "patient" is an illegal alien trying to subvert the law. A little pain won't do him any real harm.
Cold packs are a good start. There is a minor analgesic effect with the cold. Other than that, I'd suggest the use of nitrous oxide. Perhaps a little midazolam. Patient will feel discomfort and pain, but really won't give a damn! Just keep them comfortable until they're safely out of the clinic!
An actual veterinary ID implant:
And its insertion device:
This implant is absolutely huge compared to the suggested device, but you can see ho the pocket is made and the device is seated within:
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In lieu of painkillers you can use sedatives. You don't feel pain if you are knocked out.
If you don't want them to have painkillers because you don't want them to have access to medicines, remember that not all sedatives come in the form of pills. Kids in schools have challengermd Darwin throught history by playing pass out games. A doctor in an underground clinic could "play" one such game with a patient. Have thw patient breath really hard for a while then sucker punch them in the solar plexus. Have a nurse make sure the patient stays alive.
After the fainting, the implant insertion becomes a regular, everyday procedure.
answered 5 mins ago
Renan
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In lieu of painkillers you can use sedatives. You don't feel pain if you are knocked out.
If you don't want them to have painkillers because you don't want them to have access to medicines, remember that not all sedatives come in the form of pills. Kids in schools have challengermd Darwin throught history by playing pass out games. A doctor in an underground clinic could "play" one such game with a patient. Have thw patient breath really hard for a while then sucker punch them in the solar plexus. Have a nurse make sure the patient stays alive.
After the fainting, the implant insertion becomes a regular, everyday procedure.
answered 5 mins ago
Renan
36.8k1184188
add a comment |Â
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down vote
up vote
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down vote
In lieu of painkillers you can use sedatives. You don't feel pain if you are knocked out.
If you don't want them to have painkillers because you don't want them to have access to medicines, remember that not all sedatives come in the form of pills. Kids in schools have challengermd Darwin throught history by playing pass out games. A doctor in an underground clinic could "play" one such game with a patient. Have thw patient breath really hard for a while then sucker punch them in the solar plexus. Have a nurse make sure the patient stays alive.
After the fainting, the implant insertion becomes a regular, everyday procedure.
answered 5 mins ago
Renan
36.8k1184188
In lieu of painkillers you can use sedatives. You don't feel pain if you are knocked out.
If you don't want them to have painkillers because you don't want them to have access to medicines, remember that not all sedatives come in the form of pills. Kids in schools have challengermd Darwin throught history by playing pass out games. A doctor in an underground clinic could "play" one such game with a patient. Have thw patient breath really hard for a while then sucker punch them in the solar plexus. Have a nurse make sure the patient stays alive.
After the fainting, the implant insertion becomes a regular, everyday procedure.
answered 5 mins ago
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somewhat invasive implants — how invasive, exactly? "many are faking to get in without the full cost of official immigration" — I totally don't get what this part is about. no painkillers outside of basic cold packs — prohibition never really works, right? So this requirement is unrealistic.
– Mołot
1 hour ago
So this prohibition is working. By somewhat invasive I mean they are large enough to require a significant procedure. The bit about imigration is just like what we have today with people crossing borders illegally.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
58 mins ago
By definition, an implant is invasive.
– elemtilas
46 mins ago
1
(1) I believe that you mean anaesthetics and not painkillers. Painkillers, such as aspirin, are not used for surgical procedures, because they would be useless. The purpose of anaesthesia is not so much to suppress pain but mainly to prevent involuntary movements and keep the muscles relaxed. (2) Chloroform is very easy to make in house; so easy that it sometimes gets produced accidentally...
– AlexP
46 mins ago