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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
schengen sweden denmark removal deportation
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"County" in the title should be replaced by "country", I guess?
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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
schengen sweden denmark removal deportation
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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
schengen sweden denmark removal deportation
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"County" in the title should be replaced by "country", I guess?
– Federico Poloni
3 hours ago
And you signed it?
– DonQuiKong
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"County" in the title should be replaced by "country", I guess?
– Federico Poloni
3 hours ago
And you signed it?
– DonQuiKong
23 mins ago
"County" in the title should be replaced by "country", I guess?
– Federico Poloni
3 hours ago
"County" in the title should be replaced by "country", I guess?
– Federico Poloni
3 hours ago
And you signed it?
– DonQuiKong
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And you signed it?
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
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"avvisad" maybe?
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On the other side of the pond, on the US/Canada border, it is routine for a traveler to be told (over something non-scary like "forgot ID"), in as many words, that "this is a really good time for you to withdraw your application to enter our country".
(Because if you pressed onward with your application, you would be refused, and that would have immigration consequences for you later.)
What follows is an explanation that
since you withdrew your application, it means you did not even attempt to enter our country (merely visiting the Immigration office to discuss entering the country does not count as "entering the country"). If you are asked in the future "were you ever refused entry in the past", the correct answer is "no, you were not refused entry". To be clear, this is not you being refused entry, this is you "willingly deciding not to enter".
For a simple reason such as "forgot passport", and given the ease with which they allowed you to re-enter, you might ask someone to translate that Swedish (post it here?) and see if the above is exactly what the Swedish authorities did with you. If so, congratulations. You did not enter Sweden.
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
answered 6 hours ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
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"avvisad" maybe?
– Tomas By
20 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
answered 6 hours ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
29.9k374109
"avvisad" maybe?
– Tomas By
20 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
up vote
6
down vote
For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
answered 6 hours ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
29.9k374109
For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
answered 6 hours ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
29.9k374109
answered 6 hours ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
29.9k374109
answered 6 hours ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
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answered 6 hours ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
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"avvisad" maybe?
– Tomas By
20 mins ago
add a comment |Â
"avvisad" maybe?
– Tomas By
20 mins ago
"avvisad" maybe?
– Tomas By
20 mins ago
"avvisad" maybe?
– Tomas By
20 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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On the other side of the pond, on the US/Canada border, it is routine for a traveler to be told (over something non-scary like "forgot ID"), in as many words, that "this is a really good time for you to withdraw your application to enter our country".
(Because if you pressed onward with your application, you would be refused, and that would have immigration consequences for you later.)
What follows is an explanation that
since you withdrew your application, it means you did not even attempt to enter our country (merely visiting the Immigration office to discuss entering the country does not count as "entering the country"). If you are asked in the future "were you ever refused entry in the past", the correct answer is "no, you were not refused entry". To be clear, this is not you being refused entry, this is you "willingly deciding not to enter".
For a simple reason such as "forgot passport", and given the ease with which they allowed you to re-enter, you might ask someone to translate that Swedish (post it here?) and see if the above is exactly what the Swedish authorities did with you. If so, congratulations. You did not enter Sweden.
answered 26 mins ago
Harper
8,85431744
add a comment |Â
up vote
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down vote
On the other side of the pond, on the US/Canada border, it is routine for a traveler to be told (over something non-scary like "forgot ID"), in as many words, that "this is a really good time for you to withdraw your application to enter our country".
(Because if you pressed onward with your application, you would be refused, and that would have immigration consequences for you later.)
What follows is an explanation that
since you withdrew your application, it means you did not even attempt to enter our country (merely visiting the Immigration office to discuss entering the country does not count as "entering the country"). If you are asked in the future "were you ever refused entry in the past", the correct answer is "no, you were not refused entry". To be clear, this is not you being refused entry, this is you "willingly deciding not to enter".
For a simple reason such as "forgot passport", and given the ease with which they allowed you to re-enter, you might ask someone to translate that Swedish (post it here?) and see if the above is exactly what the Swedish authorities did with you. If so, congratulations. You did not enter Sweden.
answered 26 mins ago
Harper
8,85431744
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
On the other side of the pond, on the US/Canada border, it is routine for a traveler to be told (over something non-scary like "forgot ID"), in as many words, that "this is a really good time for you to withdraw your application to enter our country".
(Because if you pressed onward with your application, you would be refused, and that would have immigration consequences for you later.)
What follows is an explanation that
since you withdrew your application, it means you did not even attempt to enter our country (merely visiting the Immigration office to discuss entering the country does not count as "entering the country"). If you are asked in the future "were you ever refused entry in the past", the correct answer is "no, you were not refused entry". To be clear, this is not you being refused entry, this is you "willingly deciding not to enter".
For a simple reason such as "forgot passport", and given the ease with which they allowed you to re-enter, you might ask someone to translate that Swedish (post it here?) and see if the above is exactly what the Swedish authorities did with you. If so, congratulations. You did not enter Sweden.
answered 26 mins ago
Harper
8,85431744
On the other side of the pond, on the US/Canada border, it is routine for a traveler to be told (over something non-scary like "forgot ID"), in as many words, that "this is a really good time for you to withdraw your application to enter our country".
(Because if you pressed onward with your application, you would be refused, and that would have immigration consequences for you later.)
What follows is an explanation that
since you withdrew your application, it means you did not even attempt to enter our country (merely visiting the Immigration office to discuss entering the country does not count as "entering the country"). If you are asked in the future "were you ever refused entry in the past", the correct answer is "no, you were not refused entry". To be clear, this is not you being refused entry, this is you "willingly deciding not to enter".
For a simple reason such as "forgot passport", and given the ease with which they allowed you to re-enter, you might ask someone to translate that Swedish (post it here?) and see if the above is exactly what the Swedish authorities did with you. If so, congratulations. You did not enter Sweden.
answered 26 mins ago
Harper
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answered 26 mins ago
Harper
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answered 26 mins ago
Harper
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answered 26 mins ago
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"County" in the title should be replaced by "country", I guess?
– Federico Poloni
3 hours ago
And you signed it?
– DonQuiKong
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