How can I know the length of sublists in an expression without evaluating the expression?

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I have a list called eaData which contains sublists of the form a, b, number, where each sublist gives the number of steps in the Euclidean algorithm (EA) for numbers $a$ and $b$.



I have the following code:



eaSteps[a_, b_] :=
NestWhileList[#[[2]], Mod[#[[1]], #[[2]]]&, a, b, #[[2]] != 0 &]


So for example



eaSteps[1736, 1333]



1736,1333,1333,403,403,124,124,31,31,0`



I also have



eaData = 
SortBy[
Flatten[
Table[
a, b, Length[eaSteps[a, b]] - 1,
a, 1, 100,
b, 1, a],
1],
Part[#,3]&]


My question is: Given that my eaData list contains 5050 sublists, how could I know there are 5050 subentries before I even run the code?



I know that for the EA, the maximum number of steps is at most 5 times the minimum number of digits of either a or b, but how does that help me here?



Further, if b <= a <= 1000, then how can I find the a and b values that require the most steps in the EA?



I'm thinking that I know a has at most 4 digits, so there are at most 20, steps. But now I'm stuck. Any help?










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  • shouldn't you change a, 1, 25 to a, 1, 100 to get 5050 sublists?
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • yes sorry, I meant a,1,100, i just mean, how do I know without running the code itself that I'd get 5050. what is the logic behind it?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago















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I have a list called eaData which contains sublists of the form a, b, number, where each sublist gives the number of steps in the Euclidean algorithm (EA) for numbers $a$ and $b$.



I have the following code:



eaSteps[a_, b_] :=
NestWhileList[#[[2]], Mod[#[[1]], #[[2]]]&, a, b, #[[2]] != 0 &]


So for example



eaSteps[1736, 1333]



1736,1333,1333,403,403,124,124,31,31,0`



I also have



eaData = 
SortBy[
Flatten[
Table[
a, b, Length[eaSteps[a, b]] - 1,
a, 1, 100,
b, 1, a],
1],
Part[#,3]&]


My question is: Given that my eaData list contains 5050 sublists, how could I know there are 5050 subentries before I even run the code?



I know that for the EA, the maximum number of steps is at most 5 times the minimum number of digits of either a or b, but how does that help me here?



Further, if b <= a <= 1000, then how can I find the a and b values that require the most steps in the EA?



I'm thinking that I know a has at most 4 digits, so there are at most 20, steps. But now I'm stuck. Any help?










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  • shouldn't you change a, 1, 25 to a, 1, 100 to get 5050 sublists?
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • yes sorry, I meant a,1,100, i just mean, how do I know without running the code itself that I'd get 5050. what is the logic behind it?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago













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I have a list called eaData which contains sublists of the form a, b, number, where each sublist gives the number of steps in the Euclidean algorithm (EA) for numbers $a$ and $b$.



I have the following code:



eaSteps[a_, b_] :=
NestWhileList[#[[2]], Mod[#[[1]], #[[2]]]&, a, b, #[[2]] != 0 &]


So for example



eaSteps[1736, 1333]



1736,1333,1333,403,403,124,124,31,31,0`



I also have



eaData = 
SortBy[
Flatten[
Table[
a, b, Length[eaSteps[a, b]] - 1,
a, 1, 100,
b, 1, a],
1],
Part[#,3]&]


My question is: Given that my eaData list contains 5050 sublists, how could I know there are 5050 subentries before I even run the code?



I know that for the EA, the maximum number of steps is at most 5 times the minimum number of digits of either a or b, but how does that help me here?



Further, if b <= a <= 1000, then how can I find the a and b values that require the most steps in the EA?



I'm thinking that I know a has at most 4 digits, so there are at most 20, steps. But now I'm stuck. Any help?










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I have a list called eaData which contains sublists of the form a, b, number, where each sublist gives the number of steps in the Euclidean algorithm (EA) for numbers $a$ and $b$.



I have the following code:



eaSteps[a_, b_] :=
NestWhileList[#[[2]], Mod[#[[1]], #[[2]]]&, a, b, #[[2]] != 0 &]


So for example



eaSteps[1736, 1333]



1736,1333,1333,403,403,124,124,31,31,0`



I also have



eaData = 
SortBy[
Flatten[
Table[
a, b, Length[eaSteps[a, b]] - 1,
a, 1, 100,
b, 1, a],
1],
Part[#,3]&]


My question is: Given that my eaData list contains 5050 sublists, how could I know there are 5050 subentries before I even run the code?



I know that for the EA, the maximum number of steps is at most 5 times the minimum number of digits of either a or b, but how does that help me here?



Further, if b <= a <= 1000, then how can I find the a and b values that require the most steps in the EA?



I'm thinking that I know a has at most 4 digits, so there are at most 20, steps. But now I'm stuck. Any help?







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  • shouldn't you change a, 1, 25 to a, 1, 100 to get 5050 sublists?
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • yes sorry, I meant a,1,100, i just mean, how do I know without running the code itself that I'd get 5050. what is the logic behind it?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago

















  • shouldn't you change a, 1, 25 to a, 1, 100 to get 5050 sublists?
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • yes sorry, I meant a,1,100, i just mean, how do I know without running the code itself that I'd get 5050. what is the logic behind it?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago
















shouldn't you change a, 1, 25 to a, 1, 100 to get 5050 sublists?
– kglr
5 hours ago




shouldn't you change a, 1, 25 to a, 1, 100 to get 5050 sublists?
– kglr
5 hours ago












yes sorry, I meant a,1,100, i just mean, how do I know without running the code itself that I'd get 5050. what is the logic behind it?
– user130306
5 hours ago





yes sorry, I meant a,1,100, i just mean, how do I know without running the code itself that I'd get 5050. what is the logic behind it?
– user130306
5 hours ago











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Update: It is also possible to find a pair of numbers a, b less than n with maximum length for the sequence eaSteps[a,b] without "running the code". It seems that Fibonacci sequence can be used to identify a pair with maximum eaSteps length (I have no idea why though):



ClearAll[maxEALengthPair]
maxEALengthPair[n_] := Module[i = 0, While[Fibonacci[++i] < n]; Fibonacci[i-1, i-2]];

TeXForm @ Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair",
#, maxEALengthPair /@ # &@50, 100, 500, 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000, 10^7],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarrayc
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 & 10000 & 100000 & 1000000 & 10000000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 & 6765,4181 & 75025,46368 & 832040,514229 &
9227465,5702887 \
hline
endarray$




Brute-force approach gives the same results for n ∈ 50, 100, 500, 1000:



nl = 50, 100, 500, 1000 ;
#, MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length @* eaSteps][[1]] & /@ #&@nl
Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair", #,
MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length[eaSteps[#]] &][[1]] & /@ # &@nl],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarray
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 \
hline
endarray$




Note: For some n, there are multiple pairs with maximum eaSteps length. For example, for n=50 there are 7 pairs that give a length 7 list:



MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[50], 2], Length @* eaSteps ] 



34, 21, 47, 29, 50, 29, 49, 30, 49, 31, 50, 31, 47,
34




 Length[eaSteps @ #] - 1 &/@ %



7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7




The table above gives only the first of multiple pairs.



Original answer:



You can get the length of Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1] using



n (n + 1)/2 


(which is Sum[1, i, 1, n, j, 1, i])



or



Length[Subsets[Range[n], 1, 2]]


For n = 100:



100 101 /2 



5050




Length[Subsets[Range[100], 1, 2]]



5050




table[n_Integer] := Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1];
Length[table[100]]



5050




For the second part of the question, using a brute force approach



MaximalBy[Reverse/@Subsets[Range[1000],2], Length[eaSteps[#]]&]



987, 610




Length[Length[eaSteps[987, 610]]] -1



14







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  • thank you! so basically the reason I would know its 5050 before I even run the code is if I use Subsets right?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago










  • @user130306, that's correct.
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • great, thank you again. and for the second part of the question, do the values a = 987, b = 610, n = 14 work and is that the right answer?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago










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Update: It is also possible to find a pair of numbers a, b less than n with maximum length for the sequence eaSteps[a,b] without "running the code". It seems that Fibonacci sequence can be used to identify a pair with maximum eaSteps length (I have no idea why though):



ClearAll[maxEALengthPair]
maxEALengthPair[n_] := Module[i = 0, While[Fibonacci[++i] < n]; Fibonacci[i-1, i-2]];

TeXForm @ Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair",
#, maxEALengthPair /@ # &@50, 100, 500, 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000, 10^7],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarrayc
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 & 10000 & 100000 & 1000000 & 10000000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 & 6765,4181 & 75025,46368 & 832040,514229 &
9227465,5702887 \
hline
endarray$




Brute-force approach gives the same results for n ∈ 50, 100, 500, 1000:



nl = 50, 100, 500, 1000 ;
#, MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length @* eaSteps][[1]] & /@ #&@nl
Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair", #,
MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length[eaSteps[#]] &][[1]] & /@ # &@nl],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarray
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 \
hline
endarray$




Note: For some n, there are multiple pairs with maximum eaSteps length. For example, for n=50 there are 7 pairs that give a length 7 list:



MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[50], 2], Length @* eaSteps ] 



34, 21, 47, 29, 50, 29, 49, 30, 49, 31, 50, 31, 47,
34




 Length[eaSteps @ #] - 1 &/@ %



7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7




The table above gives only the first of multiple pairs.



Original answer:



You can get the length of Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1] using



n (n + 1)/2 


(which is Sum[1, i, 1, n, j, 1, i])



or



Length[Subsets[Range[n], 1, 2]]


For n = 100:



100 101 /2 



5050




Length[Subsets[Range[100], 1, 2]]



5050




table[n_Integer] := Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1];
Length[table[100]]



5050




For the second part of the question, using a brute force approach



MaximalBy[Reverse/@Subsets[Range[1000],2], Length[eaSteps[#]]&]



987, 610




Length[Length[eaSteps[987, 610]]] -1



14







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  • thank you! so basically the reason I would know its 5050 before I even run the code is if I use Subsets right?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago










  • @user130306, that's correct.
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • great, thank you again. and for the second part of the question, do the values a = 987, b = 610, n = 14 work and is that the right answer?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago














up vote
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Update: It is also possible to find a pair of numbers a, b less than n with maximum length for the sequence eaSteps[a,b] without "running the code". It seems that Fibonacci sequence can be used to identify a pair with maximum eaSteps length (I have no idea why though):



ClearAll[maxEALengthPair]
maxEALengthPair[n_] := Module[i = 0, While[Fibonacci[++i] < n]; Fibonacci[i-1, i-2]];

TeXForm @ Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair",
#, maxEALengthPair /@ # &@50, 100, 500, 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000, 10^7],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarrayc
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 & 10000 & 100000 & 1000000 & 10000000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 & 6765,4181 & 75025,46368 & 832040,514229 &
9227465,5702887 \
hline
endarray$




Brute-force approach gives the same results for n ∈ 50, 100, 500, 1000:



nl = 50, 100, 500, 1000 ;
#, MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length @* eaSteps][[1]] & /@ #&@nl
Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair", #,
MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length[eaSteps[#]] &][[1]] & /@ # &@nl],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarray
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 \
hline
endarray$




Note: For some n, there are multiple pairs with maximum eaSteps length. For example, for n=50 there are 7 pairs that give a length 7 list:



MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[50], 2], Length @* eaSteps ] 



34, 21, 47, 29, 50, 29, 49, 30, 49, 31, 50, 31, 47,
34




 Length[eaSteps @ #] - 1 &/@ %



7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7




The table above gives only the first of multiple pairs.



Original answer:



You can get the length of Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1] using



n (n + 1)/2 


(which is Sum[1, i, 1, n, j, 1, i])



or



Length[Subsets[Range[n], 1, 2]]


For n = 100:



100 101 /2 



5050




Length[Subsets[Range[100], 1, 2]]



5050




table[n_Integer] := Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1];
Length[table[100]]



5050




For the second part of the question, using a brute force approach



MaximalBy[Reverse/@Subsets[Range[1000],2], Length[eaSteps[#]]&]



987, 610




Length[Length[eaSteps[987, 610]]] -1



14







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  • thank you! so basically the reason I would know its 5050 before I even run the code is if I use Subsets right?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago










  • @user130306, that's correct.
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • great, thank you again. and for the second part of the question, do the values a = 987, b = 610, n = 14 work and is that the right answer?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago












up vote
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down vote



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up vote
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down vote



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Update: It is also possible to find a pair of numbers a, b less than n with maximum length for the sequence eaSteps[a,b] without "running the code". It seems that Fibonacci sequence can be used to identify a pair with maximum eaSteps length (I have no idea why though):



ClearAll[maxEALengthPair]
maxEALengthPair[n_] := Module[i = 0, While[Fibonacci[++i] < n]; Fibonacci[i-1, i-2]];

TeXForm @ Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair",
#, maxEALengthPair /@ # &@50, 100, 500, 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000, 10^7],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarrayc
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 & 10000 & 100000 & 1000000 & 10000000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 & 6765,4181 & 75025,46368 & 832040,514229 &
9227465,5702887 \
hline
endarray$




Brute-force approach gives the same results for n ∈ 50, 100, 500, 1000:



nl = 50, 100, 500, 1000 ;
#, MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length @* eaSteps][[1]] & /@ #&@nl
Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair", #,
MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length[eaSteps[#]] &][[1]] & /@ # &@nl],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarray
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 \
hline
endarray$




Note: For some n, there are multiple pairs with maximum eaSteps length. For example, for n=50 there are 7 pairs that give a length 7 list:



MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[50], 2], Length @* eaSteps ] 



34, 21, 47, 29, 50, 29, 49, 30, 49, 31, 50, 31, 47,
34




 Length[eaSteps @ #] - 1 &/@ %



7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7




The table above gives only the first of multiple pairs.



Original answer:



You can get the length of Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1] using



n (n + 1)/2 


(which is Sum[1, i, 1, n, j, 1, i])



or



Length[Subsets[Range[n], 1, 2]]


For n = 100:



100 101 /2 



5050




Length[Subsets[Range[100], 1, 2]]



5050




table[n_Integer] := Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1];
Length[table[100]]



5050




For the second part of the question, using a brute force approach



MaximalBy[Reverse/@Subsets[Range[1000],2], Length[eaSteps[#]]&]



987, 610




Length[Length[eaSteps[987, 610]]] -1



14







share|improve this answer














Update: It is also possible to find a pair of numbers a, b less than n with maximum length for the sequence eaSteps[a,b] without "running the code". It seems that Fibonacci sequence can be used to identify a pair with maximum eaSteps length (I have no idea why though):



ClearAll[maxEALengthPair]
maxEALengthPair[n_] := Module[i = 0, While[Fibonacci[++i] < n]; Fibonacci[i-1, i-2]];

TeXForm @ Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair",
#, maxEALengthPair /@ # &@50, 100, 500, 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000, 10^7],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarrayc
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 & 10000 & 100000 & 1000000 & 10000000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 & 6765,4181 & 75025,46368 & 832040,514229 &
9227465,5702887 \
hline
endarray$




Brute-force approach gives the same results for n ∈ 50, 100, 500, 1000:



nl = 50, 100, 500, 1000 ;
#, MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length @* eaSteps][[1]] & /@ #&@nl
Grid[#, ## & @@ #2 & @@@ Transpose["n", "pair", #,
MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[#], 2], Length[eaSteps[#]] &][[1]] & /@ # &@nl],
Dividers -> All]



$tinybeginarray
hline
textn & 50 & 100 & 500 & 1000 \
hline
textpair & 34,21 & 89,55 & 377,233 & 987,610 \
hline
endarray$




Note: For some n, there are multiple pairs with maximum eaSteps length. For example, for n=50 there are 7 pairs that give a length 7 list:



MaximalBy[Reverse /@ Subsets[Range[50], 2], Length @* eaSteps ] 



34, 21, 47, 29, 50, 29, 49, 30, 49, 31, 50, 31, 47,
34




 Length[eaSteps @ #] - 1 &/@ %



7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7




The table above gives only the first of multiple pairs.



Original answer:



You can get the length of Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1] using



n (n + 1)/2 


(which is Sum[1, i, 1, n, j, 1, i])



or



Length[Subsets[Range[n], 1, 2]]


For n = 100:



100 101 /2 



5050




Length[Subsets[Range[100], 1, 2]]



5050




table[n_Integer] := Flatten[Table[a, b, foo, a, 1, n, b, 1, a], 1];
Length[table[100]]



5050




For the second part of the question, using a brute force approach



MaximalBy[Reverse/@Subsets[Range[1000],2], Length[eaSteps[#]]&]



987, 610




Length[Length[eaSteps[987, 610]]] -1



14








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  • thank you! so basically the reason I would know its 5050 before I even run the code is if I use Subsets right?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago










  • @user130306, that's correct.
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • great, thank you again. and for the second part of the question, do the values a = 987, b = 610, n = 14 work and is that the right answer?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago
















  • thank you! so basically the reason I would know its 5050 before I even run the code is if I use Subsets right?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago










  • @user130306, that's correct.
    – kglr
    5 hours ago










  • great, thank you again. and for the second part of the question, do the values a = 987, b = 610, n = 14 work and is that the right answer?
    – user130306
    5 hours ago















thank you! so basically the reason I would know its 5050 before I even run the code is if I use Subsets right?
– user130306
5 hours ago




thank you! so basically the reason I would know its 5050 before I even run the code is if I use Subsets right?
– user130306
5 hours ago












@user130306, that's correct.
– kglr
5 hours ago




@user130306, that's correct.
– kglr
5 hours ago












great, thank you again. and for the second part of the question, do the values a = 987, b = 610, n = 14 work and is that the right answer?
– user130306
5 hours ago




great, thank you again. and for the second part of the question, do the values a = 987, b = 610, n = 14 work and is that the right answer?
– user130306
5 hours ago










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