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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
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I took the Helsingør to Helsingborg ferry from the Danish side. I was not warned that there would be passport control on the Swedish side before boarding the ferry and, as such, I did not I know I needed to possess my passport that I had left at the hotel.
Sweden denied me entry and sent me back to Denmark after being requested by the Swedish police to sign some paperwork, presented in Swedish only. There was no passport control on the Danish side, and I was able to return to Denmark.
Later, I took the train from Copenhagen to Malmö, where there were passport checks conducted at the border and I was allowed through to Sweden upon presenting my passport.
I am a citizen of a visa-exempt country, and did not require a visa to enter the Schengen area. As this was intra-Schengen border control, will I be required to declare this on any future immigration form for any jurisdiction as a deportation or removal?
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
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As far as I see it you were stopped at the border for lack of carrying your passport and you returned to your hotel to get it.
You were next admitted into that same country without any marks made in your passport.
You were not deported or removed.
So if asked in future visa applications you do not have to say you have been. (You can tell you once were not admitted into a country for not having your passport on you.)
For your information, while you do not have to show your passport or equivalent at the Schengen borders, you have to carry it when crossing those borders, you can always be asked to show it, on or near the border.
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
answered 11 mins ago
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
answered 11 mins ago
Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
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For the purposes of Swedish law you were 'avvist', which is translated as 'refused entry' in the official English edition of the Aliens Act. This term covers all kind of rejections at the border. Someone who is already present in Sweden and for some reason found unworthy to stay, will be 'expelled'. Swedish law uses the term 'expulsion' for any act of 'throwing someone out', be it by leaving voluntarily or escorted with force. The terms 'removal' and 'deporation' are not used at all in Swedish alien law.
Answering you question will however depend on the definition of the terms 'removal' and 'deportation' in the jurisdiction you are involved with in the future.
Gayot Fow used to claim that being refused entry to the UK is considered a 'removal'. I am not familiar with UK immigration law, but if that is true, the action taken against you seem at least to fall within the definition of 'removal' as used in UK law.
answered 11 mins ago
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As far as I see it you were stopped at the border for lack of carrying your passport and you returned to your hotel to get it.
You were next admitted into that same country without any marks made in your passport.
You were not deported or removed.
So if asked in future visa applications you do not have to say you have been. (You can tell you once were not admitted into a country for not having your passport on you.)
For your information, while you do not have to show your passport or equivalent at the Schengen borders, you have to carry it when crossing those borders, you can always be asked to show it, on or near the border.
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As far as I see it you were stopped at the border for lack of carrying your passport and you returned to your hotel to get it.
You were next admitted into that same country without any marks made in your passport.
You were not deported or removed.
So if asked in future visa applications you do not have to say you have been. (You can tell you once were not admitted into a country for not having your passport on you.)
For your information, while you do not have to show your passport or equivalent at the Schengen borders, you have to carry it when crossing those borders, you can always be asked to show it, on or near the border.
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As far as I see it you were stopped at the border for lack of carrying your passport and you returned to your hotel to get it.
You were next admitted into that same country without any marks made in your passport.
You were not deported or removed.
So if asked in future visa applications you do not have to say you have been. (You can tell you once were not admitted into a country for not having your passport on you.)
For your information, while you do not have to show your passport or equivalent at the Schengen borders, you have to carry it when crossing those borders, you can always be asked to show it, on or near the border.
answered 4 hours ago
Willeke♦
28.6k885154
As far as I see it you were stopped at the border for lack of carrying your passport and you returned to your hotel to get it.
You were next admitted into that same country without any marks made in your passport.
You were not deported or removed.
So if asked in future visa applications you do not have to say you have been. (You can tell you once were not admitted into a country for not having your passport on you.)
For your information, while you do not have to show your passport or equivalent at the Schengen borders, you have to carry it when crossing those borders, you can always be asked to show it, on or near the border.
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