Does the beholder's charm ray really take a PC out of the fight like this?

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I was reading the Beholder monster (MM, page 28):




Eye Rays. The beholder shoots three of the following magical eye rays at random (reroll duplicates), choosing one to three targets it can see within 120 feet of it:



  1. Charm Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be charmed by the beholder for 1 hour, or until the beholder harms the creature.


  2. Paralyzing Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Constitution saving throw or be paralyzed for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.


  3. Fear Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be frightened for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.




If a PC is charmed by the Charm Ray can't he repeat the check in his turn? If the Beholder simply charms a PC and then doesn't attack him, can't the charmed PC attack or target the Beholder with harmful abilities or magical effects for the rest of the fight?






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I was reading the Beholder monster (MM, page 28):




Eye Rays. The beholder shoots three of the following magical eye rays at random (reroll duplicates), choosing one to three targets it can see within 120 feet of it:



  1. Charm Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be charmed by the beholder for 1 hour, or until the beholder harms the creature.


  2. Paralyzing Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Constitution saving throw or be paralyzed for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.


  3. Fear Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be frightened for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.




If a PC is charmed by the Charm Ray can't he repeat the check in his turn? If the Beholder simply charms a PC and then doesn't attack him, can't the charmed PC attack or target the Beholder with harmful abilities or magical effects for the rest of the fight?






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I was reading the Beholder monster (MM, page 28):




Eye Rays. The beholder shoots three of the following magical eye rays at random (reroll duplicates), choosing one to three targets it can see within 120 feet of it:



  1. Charm Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be charmed by the beholder for 1 hour, or until the beholder harms the creature.


  2. Paralyzing Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Constitution saving throw or be paralyzed for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.


  3. Fear Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be frightened for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.




If a PC is charmed by the Charm Ray can't he repeat the check in his turn? If the Beholder simply charms a PC and then doesn't attack him, can't the charmed PC attack or target the Beholder with harmful abilities or magical effects for the rest of the fight?






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I was reading the Beholder monster (MM, page 28):




Eye Rays. The beholder shoots three of the following magical eye rays at random (reroll duplicates), choosing one to three targets it can see within 120 feet of it:



  1. Charm Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be charmed by the beholder for 1 hour, or until the beholder harms the creature.


  2. Paralyzing Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Constitution saving throw or be paralyzed for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.


  3. Fear Ray. The targeted creature must succeed on a DC 16 Wisdom saving throw or be frightened for 1 minute. The target can repeat the saving throw at the end of each of its turns, ending the effect on itself on a success.




If a PC is charmed by the Charm Ray can't he repeat the check in his turn? If the Beholder simply charms a PC and then doesn't attack him, can't the charmed PC attack or target the Beholder with harmful abilities or magical effects for the rest of the fight?






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That's correct: the beholder's Charm Ray does not have a repeating save. The other rays you've quoted show what it would look like if it were there, and it's not.



You're also correct that while charmed the PC cannot attack or target with harmful effects the beholder, per PHB p.290 ("Appendix A: Conditions").



Beholders, amirite?






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That's correct: the beholder's Charm Ray does not have a repeating save. The other rays you've quoted show what it would look like if it were there, and it's not.



You're also correct that while charmed the PC cannot attack or target with harmful effects the beholder, per PHB p.290 ("Appendix A: Conditions").



Beholders, amirite?






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    Just two cents: errata didn't change this.
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That's correct: the beholder's Charm Ray does not have a repeating save. The other rays you've quoted show what it would look like if it were there, and it's not.



You're also correct that while charmed the PC cannot attack or target with harmful effects the beholder, per PHB p.290 ("Appendix A: Conditions").



Beholders, amirite?






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That's correct: the beholder's Charm Ray does not have a repeating save. The other rays you've quoted show what it would look like if it were there, and it's not.



You're also correct that while charmed the PC cannot attack or target with harmful effects the beholder, per PHB p.290 ("Appendix A: Conditions").



Beholders, amirite?






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That's correct: the beholder's Charm Ray does not have a repeating save. The other rays you've quoted show what it would look like if it were there, and it's not.



You're also correct that while charmed the PC cannot attack or target with harmful effects the beholder, per PHB p.290 ("Appendix A: Conditions").



Beholders, amirite?







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