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Is a speech trying to convince a crowd of something a persuasion or a performance check?
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If I'm say, trying to convince a group of soldiers to follow me into a fight, or a crowd to riot, or otherwise convincing a large group of people via oration to do something (maybe it's a more modern setting and I'm trying to convince people to vote for me), would this be a persuasion check? (I want you to do x...) or a performance check (I'm doing something in front of a large crowd of people, trying to get something out of it).
If it's a performance check, at what scale do I need to switch between persuasion to performance?
Or is it both?
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If I'm say, trying to convince a group of soldiers to follow me into a fight, or a crowd to riot, or otherwise convincing a large group of people via oration to do something (maybe it's a more modern setting and I'm trying to convince people to vote for me), would this be a persuasion check? (I want you to do x...) or a performance check (I'm doing something in front of a large crowd of people, trying to get something out of it).
If it's a performance check, at what scale do I need to switch between persuasion to performance?
Or is it both?
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Great question! At Crispin and William Wallace immediately come to mind.
– Jack
2 hours ago
Are you asking as a DM or as a player?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Player, playing my first real campaign. Also, with 13 HP at level 3, how doomed is my first character?
– Selkie
1 hour ago
@Selkie Are you asking to double check your DM or as research to go back to your DM with or just a strict reading of the rules? If your DM already made a call then it is moot point in all honesty.
– Slagmoth
1 hour ago
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Nope, we haven't even started playing, and nothing's come up relating to it. I'm just trying to get an idea of what the DM's likely to rule in the future (keeping in mind that nothing's set, and what he says goes)
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If I'm say, trying to convince a group of soldiers to follow me into a fight, or a crowd to riot, or otherwise convincing a large group of people via oration to do something (maybe it's a more modern setting and I'm trying to convince people to vote for me), would this be a persuasion check? (I want you to do x...) or a performance check (I'm doing something in front of a large crowd of people, trying to get something out of it).
If it's a performance check, at what scale do I need to switch between persuasion to performance?
Or is it both?
dnd-5e
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If I'm say, trying to convince a group of soldiers to follow me into a fight, or a crowd to riot, or otherwise convincing a large group of people via oration to do something (maybe it's a more modern setting and I'm trying to convince people to vote for me), would this be a persuasion check? (I want you to do x...) or a performance check (I'm doing something in front of a large crowd of people, trying to get something out of it).
If it's a performance check, at what scale do I need to switch between persuasion to performance?
Or is it both?
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dnd-5e
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Great question! At Crispin and William Wallace immediately come to mind.
– Jack
2 hours ago
Are you asking as a DM or as a player?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Player, playing my first real campaign. Also, with 13 HP at level 3, how doomed is my first character?
– Selkie
1 hour ago
@Selkie Are you asking to double check your DM or as research to go back to your DM with or just a strict reading of the rules? If your DM already made a call then it is moot point in all honesty.
– Slagmoth
1 hour ago
1
Nope, we haven't even started playing, and nothing's come up relating to it. I'm just trying to get an idea of what the DM's likely to rule in the future (keeping in mind that nothing's set, and what he says goes)
– Selkie
1 hour ago
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Great question! At Crispin and William Wallace immediately come to mind.
– Jack
2 hours ago
Are you asking as a DM or as a player?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Player, playing my first real campaign. Also, with 13 HP at level 3, how doomed is my first character?
– Selkie
1 hour ago
@Selkie Are you asking to double check your DM or as research to go back to your DM with or just a strict reading of the rules? If your DM already made a call then it is moot point in all honesty.
– Slagmoth
1 hour ago
1
Nope, we haven't even started playing, and nothing's come up relating to it. I'm just trying to get an idea of what the DM's likely to rule in the future (keeping in mind that nothing's set, and what he says goes)
– Selkie
1 hour ago
Great question! At Crispin and William Wallace immediately come to mind.
– Jack
2 hours ago
Great question! At Crispin and William Wallace immediately come to mind.
– Jack
2 hours ago
Are you asking as a DM or as a player?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Are you asking as a DM or as a player?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Player, playing my first real campaign. Also, with 13 HP at level 3, how doomed is my first character?
– Selkie
1 hour ago
Player, playing my first real campaign. Also, with 13 HP at level 3, how doomed is my first character?
– Selkie
1 hour ago
@Selkie Are you asking to double check your DM or as research to go back to your DM with or just a strict reading of the rules? If your DM already made a call then it is moot point in all honesty.
– Slagmoth
1 hour ago
@Selkie Are you asking to double check your DM or as research to go back to your DM with or just a strict reading of the rules? If your DM already made a call then it is moot point in all honesty.
– Slagmoth
1 hour ago
1
1
Nope, we haven't even started playing, and nothing's come up relating to it. I'm just trying to get an idea of what the DM's likely to rule in the future (keeping in mind that nothing's set, and what he says goes)
– Selkie
1 hour ago
Nope, we haven't even started playing, and nothing's come up relating to it. I'm just trying to get an idea of what the DM's likely to rule in the future (keeping in mind that nothing's set, and what he says goes)
– Selkie
1 hour ago
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Persuasion to Convince a Crowd
The core rules include cases of groups in their examples of persuasion checks:
Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Performance is about Entertainment
Performance:
Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
Combination
One might attempt to use a combination to overcome an obstacle where the end goal is to convince a large crowd. The character might begin with performances to attract enough people to form a sufficiently large crowd, and then transition to persuasion to convince the group of something.
answered 1 hour ago
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Persuasion
The right skill is Persuasion.
Persuasion. When you attempt to influence someone or a group of people with tact, social graces, or good Nature, the GM might ask you to make a Charisma (Persuasion) check. Typically, you use Persuasion when acting in good faith, to foster friendships, make cordial requests, or exhibit proper etiquette. Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Compare it to the description of Performance.
Performance. Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
You are trying to convince a crowd, so you use Persuasion for that. However, you may want to ask your DM to attempt throwing a joke to lighten the mood, a form of entertainment, so the DM may call for Performance check in place of Persuasion.
If I were the DM, I may allow them to attempt lighten the mood with a joke by asking for Performance check first, followed by the Persuasion check. A success grants advantage to the following Persuasion check.
answered 1 hour ago
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
Persuasion to Convince a Crowd
The core rules include cases of groups in their examples of persuasion checks:
Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Performance is about Entertainment
Performance:
Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
Combination
One might attempt to use a combination to overcome an obstacle where the end goal is to convince a large crowd. The character might begin with performances to attract enough people to form a sufficiently large crowd, and then transition to persuasion to convince the group of something.
answered 1 hour ago
Grosscol
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up vote
3
down vote
accepted
Persuasion to Convince a Crowd
The core rules include cases of groups in their examples of persuasion checks:
Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Performance is about Entertainment
Performance:
Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
Combination
One might attempt to use a combination to overcome an obstacle where the end goal is to convince a large crowd. The character might begin with performances to attract enough people to form a sufficiently large crowd, and then transition to persuasion to convince the group of something.
answered 1 hour ago
Grosscol
5,2321146
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
Persuasion to Convince a Crowd
The core rules include cases of groups in their examples of persuasion checks:
Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Performance is about Entertainment
Performance:
Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
Combination
One might attempt to use a combination to overcome an obstacle where the end goal is to convince a large crowd. The character might begin with performances to attract enough people to form a sufficiently large crowd, and then transition to persuasion to convince the group of something.
answered 1 hour ago
Grosscol
5,2321146
Persuasion to Convince a Crowd
The core rules include cases of groups in their examples of persuasion checks:
Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Performance is about Entertainment
Performance:
Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
Combination
One might attempt to use a combination to overcome an obstacle where the end goal is to convince a large crowd. The character might begin with performances to attract enough people to form a sufficiently large crowd, and then transition to persuasion to convince the group of something.
answered 1 hour ago
Grosscol
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answered 1 hour ago
Grosscol
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answered 1 hour ago
Grosscol
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answered 1 hour ago
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Persuasion
The right skill is Persuasion.
Persuasion. When you attempt to influence someone or a group of people with tact, social graces, or good Nature, the GM might ask you to make a Charisma (Persuasion) check. Typically, you use Persuasion when acting in good faith, to foster friendships, make cordial requests, or exhibit proper etiquette. Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Compare it to the description of Performance.
Performance. Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
You are trying to convince a crowd, so you use Persuasion for that. However, you may want to ask your DM to attempt throwing a joke to lighten the mood, a form of entertainment, so the DM may call for Performance check in place of Persuasion.
If I were the DM, I may allow them to attempt lighten the mood with a joke by asking for Performance check first, followed by the Persuasion check. A success grants advantage to the following Persuasion check.
answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
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Persuasion
The right skill is Persuasion.
Persuasion. When you attempt to influence someone or a group of people with tact, social graces, or good Nature, the GM might ask you to make a Charisma (Persuasion) check. Typically, you use Persuasion when acting in good faith, to foster friendships, make cordial requests, or exhibit proper etiquette. Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Compare it to the description of Performance.
Performance. Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
You are trying to convince a crowd, so you use Persuasion for that. However, you may want to ask your DM to attempt throwing a joke to lighten the mood, a form of entertainment, so the DM may call for Performance check in place of Persuasion.
If I were the DM, I may allow them to attempt lighten the mood with a joke by asking for Performance check first, followed by the Persuasion check. A success grants advantage to the following Persuasion check.
answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
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up vote
1
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up vote
1
down vote
Persuasion
The right skill is Persuasion.
Persuasion. When you attempt to influence someone or a group of people with tact, social graces, or good Nature, the GM might ask you to make a Charisma (Persuasion) check. Typically, you use Persuasion when acting in good faith, to foster friendships, make cordial requests, or exhibit proper etiquette. Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Compare it to the description of Performance.
Performance. Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
You are trying to convince a crowd, so you use Persuasion for that. However, you may want to ask your DM to attempt throwing a joke to lighten the mood, a form of entertainment, so the DM may call for Performance check in place of Persuasion.
If I were the DM, I may allow them to attempt lighten the mood with a joke by asking for Performance check first, followed by the Persuasion check. A success grants advantage to the following Persuasion check.
answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
6,70812393
Persuasion
The right skill is Persuasion.
Persuasion. When you attempt to influence someone or a group of people with tact, social graces, or good Nature, the GM might ask you to make a Charisma (Persuasion) check. Typically, you use Persuasion when acting in good faith, to foster friendships, make cordial requests, or exhibit proper etiquette. Examples of persuading others include convincing a chamberlain to let your party see the king, negotiating peace between warring tribes, or inspiring a crowd of townsfolk.
Compare it to the description of Performance.
Performance. Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.
You are trying to convince a crowd, so you use Persuasion for that. However, you may want to ask your DM to attempt throwing a joke to lighten the mood, a form of entertainment, so the DM may call for Performance check in place of Persuasion.
If I were the DM, I may allow them to attempt lighten the mood with a joke by asking for Performance check first, followed by the Persuasion check. A success grants advantage to the following Persuasion check.
answered 1 hour ago
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answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
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answered 1 hour ago
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Great question! At Crispin and William Wallace immediately come to mind.
– Jack
2 hours ago
Are you asking as a DM or as a player?
– NautArch
1 hour ago
Player, playing my first real campaign. Also, with 13 HP at level 3, how doomed is my first character?
– Selkie
1 hour ago
@Selkie Are you asking to double check your DM or as research to go back to your DM with or just a strict reading of the rules? If your DM already made a call then it is moot point in all honesty.
– Slagmoth
1 hour ago
1
Nope, we haven't even started playing, and nothing's come up relating to it. I'm just trying to get an idea of what the DM's likely to rule in the future (keeping in mind that nothing's set, and what he says goes)
– Selkie
1 hour ago