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Can “Tirade†be used for a *non-angry* lengthy, boring speech/text?
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When looking for a word for a lengthy, tedious, boring, text*, I had the feeling that tirade could be the right one.
However I looked it up in on-line dictionaries and all of the the ones I consulted say that it's supposed to refer to an angry speech/text.
I'm not yet convinced though, I think I heard it used for what I'm looking for, in a humorous manner (and maybe the dictionaries I looked up only reported the canonical meaning).
So, can you native speakers confirm, or confute, my impression?
* I have already, unsatisfactorily, read idiom-to-describe-a-text-or-speech-which-is-too-long .
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When looking for a word for a lengthy, tedious, boring, text*, I had the feeling that tirade could be the right one.
However I looked it up in on-line dictionaries and all of the the ones I consulted say that it's supposed to refer to an angry speech/text.
I'm not yet convinced though, I think I heard it used for what I'm looking for, in a humorous manner (and maybe the dictionaries I looked up only reported the canonical meaning).
So, can you native speakers confirm, or confute, my impression?
* I have already, unsatisfactorily, read idiom-to-describe-a-text-or-speech-which-is-too-long .
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As a native speaker, I would always associate tirade with anger, and almost always with speech (the written equivalent of a tirade is a screed). I'm trying to come up with a good substitute for you, but it's eluding me at the moment. People do use the word tome to mean a large and possibly intimidating book, but you'd need another adjective to definitively convey that a tome is boring or tedious.
– Canadian Yankee
2 hours ago
Thank you, I had never heard of screed before. If it makes any difference I'm referring to a long article/blog post rather than a whole book. In any case, it would probably be better to contribute to can-tirade-be-used-for-a-non-angry-lengthy-boring-speech-text rather than here if you do come up with alternatives.
– user2118
2 hours ago
Related question: Difference between tirade, harangue, and rant
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
tirade really goes to tone, which is angry.
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When looking for a word for a lengthy, tedious, boring, text*, I had the feeling that tirade could be the right one.
However I looked it up in on-line dictionaries and all of the the ones I consulted say that it's supposed to refer to an angry speech/text.
I'm not yet convinced though, I think I heard it used for what I'm looking for, in a humorous manner (and maybe the dictionaries I looked up only reported the canonical meaning).
So, can you native speakers confirm, or confute, my impression?
* I have already, unsatisfactorily, read idiom-to-describe-a-text-or-speech-which-is-too-long .
word-usage word-meaning word-request
asked 2 hours ago
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When looking for a word for a lengthy, tedious, boring, text*, I had the feeling that tirade could be the right one.
However I looked it up in on-line dictionaries and all of the the ones I consulted say that it's supposed to refer to an angry speech/text.
I'm not yet convinced though, I think I heard it used for what I'm looking for, in a humorous manner (and maybe the dictionaries I looked up only reported the canonical meaning).
So, can you native speakers confirm, or confute, my impression?
* I have already, unsatisfactorily, read idiom-to-describe-a-text-or-speech-which-is-too-long .
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As a native speaker, I would always associate tirade with anger, and almost always with speech (the written equivalent of a tirade is a screed). I'm trying to come up with a good substitute for you, but it's eluding me at the moment. People do use the word tome to mean a large and possibly intimidating book, but you'd need another adjective to definitively convey that a tome is boring or tedious.
– Canadian Yankee
2 hours ago
Thank you, I had never heard of screed before. If it makes any difference I'm referring to a long article/blog post rather than a whole book. In any case, it would probably be better to contribute to can-tirade-be-used-for-a-non-angry-lengthy-boring-speech-text rather than here if you do come up with alternatives.
– user2118
2 hours ago
Related question: Difference between tirade, harangue, and rant
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
tirade really goes to tone, which is angry.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
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As a native speaker, I would always associate tirade with anger, and almost always with speech (the written equivalent of a tirade is a screed). I'm trying to come up with a good substitute for you, but it's eluding me at the moment. People do use the word tome to mean a large and possibly intimidating book, but you'd need another adjective to definitively convey that a tome is boring or tedious.
– Canadian Yankee
2 hours ago
Thank you, I had never heard of screed before. If it makes any difference I'm referring to a long article/blog post rather than a whole book. In any case, it would probably be better to contribute to can-tirade-be-used-for-a-non-angry-lengthy-boring-speech-text rather than here if you do come up with alternatives.
– user2118
2 hours ago
Related question: Difference between tirade, harangue, and rant
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
tirade really goes to tone, which is angry.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
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As a native speaker, I would always associate tirade with anger, and almost always with speech (the written equivalent of a tirade is a screed). I'm trying to come up with a good substitute for you, but it's eluding me at the moment. People do use the word tome to mean a large and possibly intimidating book, but you'd need another adjective to definitively convey that a tome is boring or tedious.
– Canadian Yankee
2 hours ago
As a native speaker, I would always associate tirade with anger, and almost always with speech (the written equivalent of a tirade is a screed). I'm trying to come up with a good substitute for you, but it's eluding me at the moment. People do use the word tome to mean a large and possibly intimidating book, but you'd need another adjective to definitively convey that a tome is boring or tedious.
– Canadian Yankee
2 hours ago
Thank you, I had never heard of screed before. If it makes any difference I'm referring to a long article/blog post rather than a whole book. In any case, it would probably be better to contribute to can-tirade-be-used-for-a-non-angry-lengthy-boring-speech-text rather than here if you do come up with alternatives.
– user2118
2 hours ago
Thank you, I had never heard of screed before. If it makes any difference I'm referring to a long article/blog post rather than a whole book. In any case, it would probably be better to contribute to can-tirade-be-used-for-a-non-angry-lengthy-boring-speech-text rather than here if you do come up with alternatives.
– user2118
2 hours ago
Related question: Difference between tirade, harangue, and rant
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
Related question: Difference between tirade, harangue, and rant
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
tirade really goes to tone, which is angry.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
tirade really goes to tone, which is angry.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
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Tirade strongly suggests a long loud speach full of angry or unbalanced criticisms and complaints.
In contrast a harangue suggests a long tedious and pushy persuasive speach, but not necessarily an openly angry speaker.
answered 2 hours ago
David42
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Really? So harangue could be a good solution?
– user2118
2 hours ago
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Although it's the first word I thought of, too, harangue might be too emotive for "boring" and "tedious".
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
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harangue is usually directed at a particular person. "He was haranguing me." Tirade is just "put out there". It's what the current U.S. president does. It could be to a bunch of people or only one. But meaning is basically the same: angry and off-the-cuff and somewhat disjointed.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
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If you are talking about a written document, a somewhat obscure term is screed:
screed (n): a long piece of writing, especially one that is boring or expresses an unreasonably strong opinion:
If not actually angry, a "tirade" should be at least loud and energetic and usually refers to oratory. If the speech was long but dull I would instead use something like monologue, or say the speaker droned on for some length of time.
A "tirade" can be boring (or at least tedious and repetitive), but since that's not included in the definition, you'd have to explicitly add that information.
A "harangue" is similarly energetic, and usually is meant to make the listener feel guilty for some misdeed. As with "tirade", if it's boring, you'd have to say so.
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A lengthy, tedious, and boring text lacks the energy to catalyse any excitement and I would always associate a tirade with a long angry provocative speech whether oral or written. The closest synonym would be a rant which seems to me interchangeable as a less "fancy" word choice.
The word tome (for a text only) is more appropriate for the length and tedium but isn't nearly cruel enough if you are using the word as a weapon. If you are doing a review of the tome I would recommend launching into a tirade given what you have just been subjected to for hours on end :-)
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If you want a word that is non-angry, long, and boring, then tirade is not it. The dictionaries aren't wrong. A tirade is given in anger.
Perhaps you're thinking of the third sense of Merriam-Webster's definition of monologue:
3 : a long speech monopolizing conversation
// I stifled a yawn as she continued her monologue about her vacation experiences.
This has the advantage of being applicable to both speech and text.
Or, there's the verb drone:
b : to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone
// droning on and on about his health
However, this one is applicable only to speech.
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4 Answers
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Tirade strongly suggests a long loud speach full of angry or unbalanced criticisms and complaints.
In contrast a harangue suggests a long tedious and pushy persuasive speach, but not necessarily an openly angry speaker.
answered 2 hours ago
David42
1,34038
Really? So harangue could be a good solution?
– user2118
2 hours ago
1
Although it's the first word I thought of, too, harangue might be too emotive for "boring" and "tedious".
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
2
harangue is usually directed at a particular person. "He was haranguing me." Tirade is just "put out there". It's what the current U.S. president does. It could be to a bunch of people or only one. But meaning is basically the same: angry and off-the-cuff and somewhat disjointed.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
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up vote
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Tirade strongly suggests a long loud speach full of angry or unbalanced criticisms and complaints.
In contrast a harangue suggests a long tedious and pushy persuasive speach, but not necessarily an openly angry speaker.
answered 2 hours ago
David42
1,34038
Really? So harangue could be a good solution?
– user2118
2 hours ago
1
Although it's the first word I thought of, too, harangue might be too emotive for "boring" and "tedious".
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
2
harangue is usually directed at a particular person. "He was haranguing me." Tirade is just "put out there". It's what the current U.S. president does. It could be to a bunch of people or only one. But meaning is basically the same: angry and off-the-cuff and somewhat disjointed.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Tirade strongly suggests a long loud speach full of angry or unbalanced criticisms and complaints.
In contrast a harangue suggests a long tedious and pushy persuasive speach, but not necessarily an openly angry speaker.
answered 2 hours ago
David42
1,34038
Tirade strongly suggests a long loud speach full of angry or unbalanced criticisms and complaints.
In contrast a harangue suggests a long tedious and pushy persuasive speach, but not necessarily an openly angry speaker.
answered 2 hours ago
David42
1,34038
answered 2 hours ago
David42
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answered 2 hours ago
David42
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answered 2 hours ago
David42
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Really? So harangue could be a good solution?
– user2118
2 hours ago
1
Although it's the first word I thought of, too, harangue might be too emotive for "boring" and "tedious".
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
2
harangue is usually directed at a particular person. "He was haranguing me." Tirade is just "put out there". It's what the current U.S. president does. It could be to a bunch of people or only one. But meaning is basically the same: angry and off-the-cuff and somewhat disjointed.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
Really? So harangue could be a good solution?
– user2118
2 hours ago
1
Although it's the first word I thought of, too, harangue might be too emotive for "boring" and "tedious".
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
2
harangue is usually directed at a particular person. "He was haranguing me." Tirade is just "put out there". It's what the current U.S. president does. It could be to a bunch of people or only one. But meaning is basically the same: angry and off-the-cuff and somewhat disjointed.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
Really? So harangue could be a good solution?
– user2118
2 hours ago
Really? So harangue could be a good solution?
– user2118
2 hours ago
1
1
Although it's the first word I thought of, too, harangue might be too emotive for "boring" and "tedious".
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
Although it's the first word I thought of, too, harangue might be too emotive for "boring" and "tedious".
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
2
2
harangue is usually directed at a particular person. "He was haranguing me." Tirade is just "put out there". It's what the current U.S. president does. It could be to a bunch of people or only one. But meaning is basically the same: angry and off-the-cuff and somewhat disjointed.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
harangue is usually directed at a particular person. "He was haranguing me." Tirade is just "put out there". It's what the current U.S. president does. It could be to a bunch of people or only one. But meaning is basically the same: angry and off-the-cuff and somewhat disjointed.
– Lambie
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
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If you are talking about a written document, a somewhat obscure term is screed:
screed (n): a long piece of writing, especially one that is boring or expresses an unreasonably strong opinion:
If not actually angry, a "tirade" should be at least loud and energetic and usually refers to oratory. If the speech was long but dull I would instead use something like monologue, or say the speaker droned on for some length of time.
A "tirade" can be boring (or at least tedious and repetitive), but since that's not included in the definition, you'd have to explicitly add that information.
A "harangue" is similarly energetic, and usually is meant to make the listener feel guilty for some misdeed. As with "tirade", if it's boring, you'd have to say so.
answered 1 hour ago
Andrew
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If you are talking about a written document, a somewhat obscure term is screed:
screed (n): a long piece of writing, especially one that is boring or expresses an unreasonably strong opinion:
If not actually angry, a "tirade" should be at least loud and energetic and usually refers to oratory. If the speech was long but dull I would instead use something like monologue, or say the speaker droned on for some length of time.
A "tirade" can be boring (or at least tedious and repetitive), but since that's not included in the definition, you'd have to explicitly add that information.
A "harangue" is similarly energetic, and usually is meant to make the listener feel guilty for some misdeed. As with "tirade", if it's boring, you'd have to say so.
answered 1 hour ago
Andrew
58.8k565129
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up vote
1
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up vote
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down vote
If you are talking about a written document, a somewhat obscure term is screed:
screed (n): a long piece of writing, especially one that is boring or expresses an unreasonably strong opinion:
If not actually angry, a "tirade" should be at least loud and energetic and usually refers to oratory. If the speech was long but dull I would instead use something like monologue, or say the speaker droned on for some length of time.
A "tirade" can be boring (or at least tedious and repetitive), but since that's not included in the definition, you'd have to explicitly add that information.
A "harangue" is similarly energetic, and usually is meant to make the listener feel guilty for some misdeed. As with "tirade", if it's boring, you'd have to say so.
answered 1 hour ago
Andrew
58.8k565129
If you are talking about a written document, a somewhat obscure term is screed:
screed (n): a long piece of writing, especially one that is boring or expresses an unreasonably strong opinion:
If not actually angry, a "tirade" should be at least loud and energetic and usually refers to oratory. If the speech was long but dull I would instead use something like monologue, or say the speaker droned on for some length of time.
A "tirade" can be boring (or at least tedious and repetitive), but since that's not included in the definition, you'd have to explicitly add that information.
A "harangue" is similarly energetic, and usually is meant to make the listener feel guilty for some misdeed. As with "tirade", if it's boring, you'd have to say so.
answered 1 hour ago
Andrew
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A lengthy, tedious, and boring text lacks the energy to catalyse any excitement and I would always associate a tirade with a long angry provocative speech whether oral or written. The closest synonym would be a rant which seems to me interchangeable as a less "fancy" word choice.
The word tome (for a text only) is more appropriate for the length and tedium but isn't nearly cruel enough if you are using the word as a weapon. If you are doing a review of the tome I would recommend launching into a tirade given what you have just been subjected to for hours on end :-)
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A lengthy, tedious, and boring text lacks the energy to catalyse any excitement and I would always associate a tirade with a long angry provocative speech whether oral or written. The closest synonym would be a rant which seems to me interchangeable as a less "fancy" word choice.
The word tome (for a text only) is more appropriate for the length and tedium but isn't nearly cruel enough if you are using the word as a weapon. If you are doing a review of the tome I would recommend launching into a tirade given what you have just been subjected to for hours on end :-)
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A lengthy, tedious, and boring text lacks the energy to catalyse any excitement and I would always associate a tirade with a long angry provocative speech whether oral or written. The closest synonym would be a rant which seems to me interchangeable as a less "fancy" word choice.
The word tome (for a text only) is more appropriate for the length and tedium but isn't nearly cruel enough if you are using the word as a weapon. If you are doing a review of the tome I would recommend launching into a tirade given what you have just been subjected to for hours on end :-)
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A lengthy, tedious, and boring text lacks the energy to catalyse any excitement and I would always associate a tirade with a long angry provocative speech whether oral or written. The closest synonym would be a rant which seems to me interchangeable as a less "fancy" word choice.
The word tome (for a text only) is more appropriate for the length and tedium but isn't nearly cruel enough if you are using the word as a weapon. If you are doing a review of the tome I would recommend launching into a tirade given what you have just been subjected to for hours on end :-)
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If you want a word that is non-angry, long, and boring, then tirade is not it. The dictionaries aren't wrong. A tirade is given in anger.
Perhaps you're thinking of the third sense of Merriam-Webster's definition of monologue:
3 : a long speech monopolizing conversation
// I stifled a yawn as she continued her monologue about her vacation experiences.
This has the advantage of being applicable to both speech and text.
Or, there's the verb drone:
b : to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone
// droning on and on about his health
However, this one is applicable only to speech.
answered 1 hour ago
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up vote
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If you want a word that is non-angry, long, and boring, then tirade is not it. The dictionaries aren't wrong. A tirade is given in anger.
Perhaps you're thinking of the third sense of Merriam-Webster's definition of monologue:
3 : a long speech monopolizing conversation
// I stifled a yawn as she continued her monologue about her vacation experiences.
This has the advantage of being applicable to both speech and text.
Or, there's the verb drone:
b : to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone
// droning on and on about his health
However, this one is applicable only to speech.
answered 1 hour ago
Jason Bassford
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If you want a word that is non-angry, long, and boring, then tirade is not it. The dictionaries aren't wrong. A tirade is given in anger.
Perhaps you're thinking of the third sense of Merriam-Webster's definition of monologue:
3 : a long speech monopolizing conversation
// I stifled a yawn as she continued her monologue about her vacation experiences.
This has the advantage of being applicable to both speech and text.
Or, there's the verb drone:
b : to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone
// droning on and on about his health
However, this one is applicable only to speech.
answered 1 hour ago
Jason Bassford
10.3k1930
If you want a word that is non-angry, long, and boring, then tirade is not it. The dictionaries aren't wrong. A tirade is given in anger.
Perhaps you're thinking of the third sense of Merriam-Webster's definition of monologue:
3 : a long speech monopolizing conversation
// I stifled a yawn as she continued her monologue about her vacation experiences.
This has the advantage of being applicable to both speech and text.
Or, there's the verb drone:
b : to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone
// droning on and on about his health
However, this one is applicable only to speech.
answered 1 hour ago
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As a native speaker, I would always associate tirade with anger, and almost always with speech (the written equivalent of a tirade is a screed). I'm trying to come up with a good substitute for you, but it's eluding me at the moment. People do use the word tome to mean a large and possibly intimidating book, but you'd need another adjective to definitively convey that a tome is boring or tedious.
– Canadian Yankee
2 hours ago
Thank you, I had never heard of screed before. If it makes any difference I'm referring to a long article/blog post rather than a whole book. In any case, it would probably be better to contribute to can-tirade-be-used-for-a-non-angry-lengthy-boring-speech-text rather than here if you do come up with alternatives.
– user2118
2 hours ago
Related question: Difference between tirade, harangue, and rant
– J.R.♦
2 hours ago
tirade really goes to tone, which is angry.
– Lambie
2 hours ago