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Did any Moors accompany Hernando de Soto in his exploration of Mississippi?
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I was reading about Hernando de Soto and saw William Powell's painting (Relevant bit cropped and added below):
The odd thing (Marked with a red arrow) is the man who looks Moorish and is dressed in Moorish Military attire unlike the other people in the party. Of course the painting was created some 300 years after Hernando died so it can hardly be considered historical evidence. Not to mention, it is unlikely that the Spanish would have allowed the converted Andalusians to dress in that fashion. But that made me think if there were any Moors (That is, the Conquered people of Muslim Al-Andalus) who accompanied him in his expeditions.
I have looked about (Perhaps not that well, American history is not my forte) but all the mentions of Hernando and Moors that I have found are in context of his upbringing and the downfall of Muslim Andalusia in 1492, eight years before he was born or the Moors that came with other Conquistadors.
So my question is, did any Moors accompany Hernando de Soto (specifically him, not any other Conquistadors)? If not, why did the painter William H. Powell paint a Moor there?
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I was reading about Hernando de Soto and saw William Powell's painting (Relevant bit cropped and added below):
The odd thing (Marked with a red arrow) is the man who looks Moorish and is dressed in Moorish Military attire unlike the other people in the party. Of course the painting was created some 300 years after Hernando died so it can hardly be considered historical evidence. Not to mention, it is unlikely that the Spanish would have allowed the converted Andalusians to dress in that fashion. But that made me think if there were any Moors (That is, the Conquered people of Muslim Al-Andalus) who accompanied him in his expeditions.
I have looked about (Perhaps not that well, American history is not my forte) but all the mentions of Hernando and Moors that I have found are in context of his upbringing and the downfall of Muslim Andalusia in 1492, eight years before he was born or the Moors that came with other Conquistadors.
So my question is, did any Moors accompany Hernando de Soto (specifically him, not any other Conquistadors)? If not, why did the painter William H. Powell paint a Moor there?
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I was reading about Hernando de Soto and saw William Powell's painting (Relevant bit cropped and added below):
The odd thing (Marked with a red arrow) is the man who looks Moorish and is dressed in Moorish Military attire unlike the other people in the party. Of course the painting was created some 300 years after Hernando died so it can hardly be considered historical evidence. Not to mention, it is unlikely that the Spanish would have allowed the converted Andalusians to dress in that fashion. But that made me think if there were any Moors (That is, the Conquered people of Muslim Al-Andalus) who accompanied him in his expeditions.
I have looked about (Perhaps not that well, American history is not my forte) but all the mentions of Hernando and Moors that I have found are in context of his upbringing and the downfall of Muslim Andalusia in 1492, eight years before he was born or the Moors that came with other Conquistadors.
So my question is, did any Moors accompany Hernando de Soto (specifically him, not any other Conquistadors)? If not, why did the painter William H. Powell paint a Moor there?
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I was reading about Hernando de Soto and saw William Powell's painting (Relevant bit cropped and added below):
The odd thing (Marked with a red arrow) is the man who looks Moorish and is dressed in Moorish Military attire unlike the other people in the party. Of course the painting was created some 300 years after Hernando died so it can hardly be considered historical evidence. Not to mention, it is unlikely that the Spanish would have allowed the converted Andalusians to dress in that fashion. But that made me think if there were any Moors (That is, the Conquered people of Muslim Al-Andalus) who accompanied him in his expeditions.
I have looked about (Perhaps not that well, American history is not my forte) but all the mentions of Hernando and Moors that I have found are in context of his upbringing and the downfall of Muslim Andalusia in 1492, eight years before he was born or the Moors that came with other Conquistadors.
So my question is, did any Moors accompany Hernando de Soto (specifically him, not any other Conquistadors)? If not, why did the painter William H. Powell paint a Moor there?
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The entire image in question can be seen here. Under the image is a numbered scene describing the images individuals. The person in question is listed as Moorish Servant.
A little more research into De Sotos expedition leads to this page, which confirms a number of slaves and servants were included in the expedition:
His force also included about 100 slaves, servants, camp followers,
and pig herders.
It would seem, combined with the timing you mention concerning the fall of Moorish Andalusia, the painter chose to portray one of those servants as Moorish.
A book from 1853, William H. Powell's historical picture of the discovery of the Mississippi ...
By Henri L. Stuart has this passage concerning this:
The Moorish servant or armor bearer of De Soto who is seen behind him
in the Moorish costume carrying his master's helmet forms an admirable
allusion to the then recent fall of Grenada and the overthrow of the
Moorish Empire in Spain It was the fashion of that age as it has been
the fashion with conquerors of every age from the times of the Great
Empires of Asia for the conqueror to carry in his train in menial
service some of the men who were left after the wreck of their
national fortunes De Soto did not form an exception probably to the
rule then of universal application and it was a happy thought in
Powell to introduce him there The very glance at his turban opens a
whole field of history to the scholar one glance at the turbaned head
would recall to Irving his history of Grenada
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I understand that there are four surviving accounts of de Soto's expedition.
Three of those accounts were written by survivors from the expedition:
- Rodrigo Rangel or Ranjel, who was de Soto’s personal secretary;
- Luys Hernández de Biedma, the Spanish King’s representative;
- and an individual known as the “Gentleman from Elvasâ€Â, who is
believed to be a Portuguese mercenary soldier.
The fourth account, by Garcilaso de la Vega, was written much later, and is believed to be a compilation of testimony collected from a number of survivors from the expedition over time.
Translations of the surviving accounts have been published in The De Soto Chronicles: The Expedition of Hernando de Soto to North America in 1539–1543, edited by Lawrence A. Clayton, , James Knight Vernon Jr., and Edward C. Moore (University of Alabama Press, 1993).
The first volume is available to be read on archive.org.
Of interest here is the 'Elvas narrative' (published in volume 1 of The De Soto Chronicles) which describes the gathering of the company. On page 452, in the section titled Hernando de Soto: A Brief Biography, Paul E Hoffman states that:
Four men of possible Moorish origins have been noted.
- (my emphasis)
(out of about 700 people who sailed with the expedition).
So, the presence of people of Moorish origins on de Soto's expedition seems perfectly plausible.
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The entire image in question can be seen here. Under the image is a numbered scene describing the images individuals. The person in question is listed as Moorish Servant.
A little more research into De Sotos expedition leads to this page, which confirms a number of slaves and servants were included in the expedition:
His force also included about 100 slaves, servants, camp followers,
and pig herders.
It would seem, combined with the timing you mention concerning the fall of Moorish Andalusia, the painter chose to portray one of those servants as Moorish.
A book from 1853, William H. Powell's historical picture of the discovery of the Mississippi ...
By Henri L. Stuart has this passage concerning this:
The Moorish servant or armor bearer of De Soto who is seen behind him
in the Moorish costume carrying his master's helmet forms an admirable
allusion to the then recent fall of Grenada and the overthrow of the
Moorish Empire in Spain It was the fashion of that age as it has been
the fashion with conquerors of every age from the times of the Great
Empires of Asia for the conqueror to carry in his train in menial
service some of the men who were left after the wreck of their
national fortunes De Soto did not form an exception probably to the
rule then of universal application and it was a happy thought in
Powell to introduce him there The very glance at his turban opens a
whole field of history to the scholar one glance at the turbaned head
would recall to Irving his history of Grenada
answered 50 mins ago
justCal
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I'll opt more for the Atlantic Creoles he picked up in Cuba? Compare English and French Wikipedia pages…
– LangLangC
47 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
The entire image in question can be seen here. Under the image is a numbered scene describing the images individuals. The person in question is listed as Moorish Servant.
A little more research into De Sotos expedition leads to this page, which confirms a number of slaves and servants were included in the expedition:
His force also included about 100 slaves, servants, camp followers,
and pig herders.
It would seem, combined with the timing you mention concerning the fall of Moorish Andalusia, the painter chose to portray one of those servants as Moorish.
A book from 1853, William H. Powell's historical picture of the discovery of the Mississippi ...
By Henri L. Stuart has this passage concerning this:
The Moorish servant or armor bearer of De Soto who is seen behind him
in the Moorish costume carrying his master's helmet forms an admirable
allusion to the then recent fall of Grenada and the overthrow of the
Moorish Empire in Spain It was the fashion of that age as it has been
the fashion with conquerors of every age from the times of the Great
Empires of Asia for the conqueror to carry in his train in menial
service some of the men who were left after the wreck of their
national fortunes De Soto did not form an exception probably to the
rule then of universal application and it was a happy thought in
Powell to introduce him there The very glance at his turban opens a
whole field of history to the scholar one glance at the turbaned head
would recall to Irving his history of Grenada
answered 50 mins ago
justCal
17.7k14476
I'll opt more for the Atlantic Creoles he picked up in Cuba? Compare English and French Wikipedia pages…
– LangLangC
47 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
The entire image in question can be seen here. Under the image is a numbered scene describing the images individuals. The person in question is listed as Moorish Servant.
A little more research into De Sotos expedition leads to this page, which confirms a number of slaves and servants were included in the expedition:
His force also included about 100 slaves, servants, camp followers,
and pig herders.
It would seem, combined with the timing you mention concerning the fall of Moorish Andalusia, the painter chose to portray one of those servants as Moorish.
A book from 1853, William H. Powell's historical picture of the discovery of the Mississippi ...
By Henri L. Stuart has this passage concerning this:
The Moorish servant or armor bearer of De Soto who is seen behind him
in the Moorish costume carrying his master's helmet forms an admirable
allusion to the then recent fall of Grenada and the overthrow of the
Moorish Empire in Spain It was the fashion of that age as it has been
the fashion with conquerors of every age from the times of the Great
Empires of Asia for the conqueror to carry in his train in menial
service some of the men who were left after the wreck of their
national fortunes De Soto did not form an exception probably to the
rule then of universal application and it was a happy thought in
Powell to introduce him there The very glance at his turban opens a
whole field of history to the scholar one glance at the turbaned head
would recall to Irving his history of Grenada
answered 50 mins ago
justCal
17.7k14476
The entire image in question can be seen here. Under the image is a numbered scene describing the images individuals. The person in question is listed as Moorish Servant.
A little more research into De Sotos expedition leads to this page, which confirms a number of slaves and servants were included in the expedition:
His force also included about 100 slaves, servants, camp followers,
and pig herders.
It would seem, combined with the timing you mention concerning the fall of Moorish Andalusia, the painter chose to portray one of those servants as Moorish.
A book from 1853, William H. Powell's historical picture of the discovery of the Mississippi ...
By Henri L. Stuart has this passage concerning this:
The Moorish servant or armor bearer of De Soto who is seen behind him
in the Moorish costume carrying his master's helmet forms an admirable
allusion to the then recent fall of Grenada and the overthrow of the
Moorish Empire in Spain It was the fashion of that age as it has been
the fashion with conquerors of every age from the times of the Great
Empires of Asia for the conqueror to carry in his train in menial
service some of the men who were left after the wreck of their
national fortunes De Soto did not form an exception probably to the
rule then of universal application and it was a happy thought in
Powell to introduce him there The very glance at his turban opens a
whole field of history to the scholar one glance at the turbaned head
would recall to Irving his history of Grenada
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I'll opt more for the Atlantic Creoles he picked up in Cuba? Compare English and French Wikipedia pages…
– LangLangC
47 mins ago
add a comment |Â
I'll opt more for the Atlantic Creoles he picked up in Cuba? Compare English and French Wikipedia pages…
– LangLangC
47 mins ago
I'll opt more for the Atlantic Creoles he picked up in Cuba? Compare English and French Wikipedia pages…
– LangLangC
47 mins ago
I'll opt more for the Atlantic Creoles he picked up in Cuba? Compare English and French Wikipedia pages…
– LangLangC
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3
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I understand that there are four surviving accounts of de Soto's expedition.
Three of those accounts were written by survivors from the expedition:
- Rodrigo Rangel or Ranjel, who was de Soto’s personal secretary;
- Luys Hernández de Biedma, the Spanish King’s representative;
- and an individual known as the “Gentleman from Elvasâ€Â, who is
believed to be a Portuguese mercenary soldier.
The fourth account, by Garcilaso de la Vega, was written much later, and is believed to be a compilation of testimony collected from a number of survivors from the expedition over time.
Translations of the surviving accounts have been published in The De Soto Chronicles: The Expedition of Hernando de Soto to North America in 1539–1543, edited by Lawrence A. Clayton, , James Knight Vernon Jr., and Edward C. Moore (University of Alabama Press, 1993).
The first volume is available to be read on archive.org.
Of interest here is the 'Elvas narrative' (published in volume 1 of The De Soto Chronicles) which describes the gathering of the company. On page 452, in the section titled Hernando de Soto: A Brief Biography, Paul E Hoffman states that:
Four men of possible Moorish origins have been noted.
- (my emphasis)
(out of about 700 people who sailed with the expedition).
So, the presence of people of Moorish origins on de Soto's expedition seems perfectly plausible.
answered 29 mins ago
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I understand that there are four surviving accounts of de Soto's expedition.
Three of those accounts were written by survivors from the expedition:
- Rodrigo Rangel or Ranjel, who was de Soto’s personal secretary;
- Luys Hernández de Biedma, the Spanish King’s representative;
- and an individual known as the “Gentleman from Elvasâ€Â, who is
believed to be a Portuguese mercenary soldier.
The fourth account, by Garcilaso de la Vega, was written much later, and is believed to be a compilation of testimony collected from a number of survivors from the expedition over time.
Translations of the surviving accounts have been published in The De Soto Chronicles: The Expedition of Hernando de Soto to North America in 1539–1543, edited by Lawrence A. Clayton, , James Knight Vernon Jr., and Edward C. Moore (University of Alabama Press, 1993).
The first volume is available to be read on archive.org.
Of interest here is the 'Elvas narrative' (published in volume 1 of The De Soto Chronicles) which describes the gathering of the company. On page 452, in the section titled Hernando de Soto: A Brief Biography, Paul E Hoffman states that:
Four men of possible Moorish origins have been noted.
- (my emphasis)
(out of about 700 people who sailed with the expedition).
So, the presence of people of Moorish origins on de Soto's expedition seems perfectly plausible.
answered 29 mins ago
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I understand that there are four surviving accounts of de Soto's expedition.
Three of those accounts were written by survivors from the expedition:
- Rodrigo Rangel or Ranjel, who was de Soto’s personal secretary;
- Luys Hernández de Biedma, the Spanish King’s representative;
- and an individual known as the “Gentleman from Elvasâ€Â, who is
believed to be a Portuguese mercenary soldier.
The fourth account, by Garcilaso de la Vega, was written much later, and is believed to be a compilation of testimony collected from a number of survivors from the expedition over time.
Translations of the surviving accounts have been published in The De Soto Chronicles: The Expedition of Hernando de Soto to North America in 1539–1543, edited by Lawrence A. Clayton, , James Knight Vernon Jr., and Edward C. Moore (University of Alabama Press, 1993).
The first volume is available to be read on archive.org.
Of interest here is the 'Elvas narrative' (published in volume 1 of The De Soto Chronicles) which describes the gathering of the company. On page 452, in the section titled Hernando de Soto: A Brief Biography, Paul E Hoffman states that:
Four men of possible Moorish origins have been noted.
- (my emphasis)
(out of about 700 people who sailed with the expedition).
So, the presence of people of Moorish origins on de Soto's expedition seems perfectly plausible.
answered 29 mins ago
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I understand that there are four surviving accounts of de Soto's expedition.
Three of those accounts were written by survivors from the expedition:
- Rodrigo Rangel or Ranjel, who was de Soto’s personal secretary;
- Luys Hernández de Biedma, the Spanish King’s representative;
- and an individual known as the “Gentleman from Elvasâ€Â, who is
believed to be a Portuguese mercenary soldier.
The fourth account, by Garcilaso de la Vega, was written much later, and is believed to be a compilation of testimony collected from a number of survivors from the expedition over time.
Translations of the surviving accounts have been published in The De Soto Chronicles: The Expedition of Hernando de Soto to North America in 1539–1543, edited by Lawrence A. Clayton, , James Knight Vernon Jr., and Edward C. Moore (University of Alabama Press, 1993).
The first volume is available to be read on archive.org.
Of interest here is the 'Elvas narrative' (published in volume 1 of The De Soto Chronicles) which describes the gathering of the company. On page 452, in the section titled Hernando de Soto: A Brief Biography, Paul E Hoffman states that:
Four men of possible Moorish origins have been noted.
- (my emphasis)
(out of about 700 people who sailed with the expedition).
So, the presence of people of Moorish origins on de Soto's expedition seems perfectly plausible.
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