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Do Arahants have Vinnana and Namarupa?
According to Dependent Origination, Namarupa is the result of Vinnana. It appears Vinnana is the contributory factor for six sense base which eventually leads to rebirth. Hence Arahant will not be re-born then the question come whether they have Vinnana and Namarupa.
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According to Dependent Origination, Namarupa is the result of Vinnana. It appears Vinnana is the contributory factor for six sense base which eventually leads to rebirth. Hence Arahant will not be re-born then the question come whether they have Vinnana and Namarupa.
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I marked this question down because you have asked it more than once on different forums and you do no even know what vinnana and nama-rupa are. If you don't even know what nama-rupa is then what is the point of asking does the Buddha have nama-rupa? Its like asking the question: "What did the Buddha think about the USA"?
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Do Arahants have Vinnana and Namarupa?
According to Dependent Origination, Namarupa is the result of Vinnana. It appears Vinnana is the contributory factor for six sense base which eventually leads to rebirth. Hence Arahant will not be re-born then the question come whether they have Vinnana and Namarupa.
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Do Arahants have Vinnana and Namarupa?
According to Dependent Origination, Namarupa is the result of Vinnana. It appears Vinnana is the contributory factor for six sense base which eventually leads to rebirth. Hence Arahant will not be re-born then the question come whether they have Vinnana and Namarupa.
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I marked this question down because you have asked it more than once on different forums and you do no even know what vinnana and nama-rupa are. If you don't even know what nama-rupa is then what is the point of asking does the Buddha have nama-rupa? Its like asking the question: "What did the Buddha think about the USA"?
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I marked this question down because you have asked it more than once on different forums and you do no even know what vinnana and nama-rupa are. If you don't even know what nama-rupa is then what is the point of asking does the Buddha have nama-rupa? Its like asking the question: "What did the Buddha think about the USA"?
– Dhammadhatu
1 hour ago
I marked this question down because you have asked it more than once on different forums and you do no even know what vinnana and nama-rupa are. If you don't even know what nama-rupa is then what is the point of asking does the Buddha have nama-rupa? Its like asking the question: "What did the Buddha think about the USA"?
– Dhammadhatu
1 hour ago
I marked this question down because you have asked it more than once on different forums and you do no even know what vinnana and nama-rupa are. If you don't even know what nama-rupa is then what is the point of asking does the Buddha have nama-rupa? Its like asking the question: "What did the Buddha think about the USA"?
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Arahants who are still living are those with "fuel" remaining and sense faculties (salayatana) still operating. The "fuel" here refers to the five aggregates. Hence Vinnana, one of the five aggregates, is still existing. The five aggregates have stopped burning with the fires of passion, aversion and delusion, but they are like glowing embers. When the arahant passes away, then the "fuel" is no more remaining.
Then, what about namarupa? It is also still existing for living arahants. Contact (phassa) and feeling (vedana) also still exists for living arahants. However, craving (tanha) has ended for arahants. Without craving, there is no clinging (upadana). Without clinging, there is no becoming (bhava) in the future i.e. no suffering here or anywhere else after death. Arahants are also free of ignorance (avijja).
According to Itivuttaka 44:
This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have
heard: "Monks, there are these two forms of the Unbinding property.
Which two? The Unbinding property with fuel remaining, & the Unbinding
property with no fuel remaining.
And what is the Unbinding property with fuel remaining? There is the
case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended, who
has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. His five sense faculties still remain and, owing
to their being intact, he is cognizant of the agreeable & the
disagreeable, and is sensitive to pleasure & pain. His ending of
passion, aversion, & delusion is termed the Unbinding property with
fuel remaining. (Note1)
And what is the Unbinding property with no fuel remaining? There is
the case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended,
who has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. For him, all that is sensed, being unrelished,
will grow cold right here. This is termed the Unbinding property with
no fuel remaining." (Note2)
Note1 and Note2 (commentary by Thanissaro Bhikkhu):
With fuel remaining (sa-upadisesa) and with no fuel
remaining (anupadisesa): The analogy here is to a fire. In the first
case, the flames are out, but the embers are still glowing. In the
second, the fire is so thoroughly out that the embers have grown cold.
The "fuel" here is the five aggregates. While the arahant is still
alive, he/she still experiences the five aggregates, but they do not
burn with the fires of passion, aversion, or delusion. When the
arahant passes away, there is no longer any experience of aggregates
here or anywhere else.
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I marked this question down because it presents no evidence the "fuel" is the five aggregates. Also, there is no evidence for the idea of "glowing embers". If embers are still glowing then they are still burning. Also, the term "after death" does not apply to arahants because arahants do not die. If I could score this post down 3 times I would. This post does not have any yoniso manasikara but is just copy paste.
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Arahants who are still living are those with "fuel" remaining and sense faculties (salayatana) still operating. The "fuel" here refers to the five aggregates. Hence Vinnana, one of the five aggregates, is still existing. The five aggregates have stopped burning with the fires of passion, aversion and delusion, but they are like glowing embers. When the arahant passes away, then the "fuel" is no more remaining.
Then, what about namarupa? It is also still existing for living arahants. Contact (phassa) and feeling (vedana) also still exists for living arahants. However, craving (tanha) has ended for arahants. Without craving, there is no clinging (upadana). Without clinging, there is no becoming (bhava) in the future i.e. no suffering here or anywhere else after death. Arahants are also free of ignorance (avijja).
According to Itivuttaka 44:
This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have
heard: "Monks, there are these two forms of the Unbinding property.
Which two? The Unbinding property with fuel remaining, & the Unbinding
property with no fuel remaining.
And what is the Unbinding property with fuel remaining? There is the
case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended, who
has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. His five sense faculties still remain and, owing
to their being intact, he is cognizant of the agreeable & the
disagreeable, and is sensitive to pleasure & pain. His ending of
passion, aversion, & delusion is termed the Unbinding property with
fuel remaining. (Note1)
And what is the Unbinding property with no fuel remaining? There is
the case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended,
who has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. For him, all that is sensed, being unrelished,
will grow cold right here. This is termed the Unbinding property with
no fuel remaining." (Note2)
Note1 and Note2 (commentary by Thanissaro Bhikkhu):
With fuel remaining (sa-upadisesa) and with no fuel
remaining (anupadisesa): The analogy here is to a fire. In the first
case, the flames are out, but the embers are still glowing. In the
second, the fire is so thoroughly out that the embers have grown cold.
The "fuel" here is the five aggregates. While the arahant is still
alive, he/she still experiences the five aggregates, but they do not
burn with the fires of passion, aversion, or delusion. When the
arahant passes away, there is no longer any experience of aggregates
here or anywhere else.
answered 1 hour ago
ruben2020
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I marked this question down because it presents no evidence the "fuel" is the five aggregates. Also, there is no evidence for the idea of "glowing embers". If embers are still glowing then they are still burning. Also, the term "after death" does not apply to arahants because arahants do not die. If I could score this post down 3 times I would. This post does not have any yoniso manasikara but is just copy paste.
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Arahants who are still living are those with "fuel" remaining and sense faculties (salayatana) still operating. The "fuel" here refers to the five aggregates. Hence Vinnana, one of the five aggregates, is still existing. The five aggregates have stopped burning with the fires of passion, aversion and delusion, but they are like glowing embers. When the arahant passes away, then the "fuel" is no more remaining.
Then, what about namarupa? It is also still existing for living arahants. Contact (phassa) and feeling (vedana) also still exists for living arahants. However, craving (tanha) has ended for arahants. Without craving, there is no clinging (upadana). Without clinging, there is no becoming (bhava) in the future i.e. no suffering here or anywhere else after death. Arahants are also free of ignorance (avijja).
According to Itivuttaka 44:
This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have
heard: "Monks, there are these two forms of the Unbinding property.
Which two? The Unbinding property with fuel remaining, & the Unbinding
property with no fuel remaining.
And what is the Unbinding property with fuel remaining? There is the
case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended, who
has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. His five sense faculties still remain and, owing
to their being intact, he is cognizant of the agreeable & the
disagreeable, and is sensitive to pleasure & pain. His ending of
passion, aversion, & delusion is termed the Unbinding property with
fuel remaining. (Note1)
And what is the Unbinding property with no fuel remaining? There is
the case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended,
who has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. For him, all that is sensed, being unrelished,
will grow cold right here. This is termed the Unbinding property with
no fuel remaining." (Note2)
Note1 and Note2 (commentary by Thanissaro Bhikkhu):
With fuel remaining (sa-upadisesa) and with no fuel
remaining (anupadisesa): The analogy here is to a fire. In the first
case, the flames are out, but the embers are still glowing. In the
second, the fire is so thoroughly out that the embers have grown cold.
The "fuel" here is the five aggregates. While the arahant is still
alive, he/she still experiences the five aggregates, but they do not
burn with the fires of passion, aversion, or delusion. When the
arahant passes away, there is no longer any experience of aggregates
here or anywhere else.
answered 1 hour ago
ruben2020
12.8k21139
I marked this question down because it presents no evidence the "fuel" is the five aggregates. Also, there is no evidence for the idea of "glowing embers". If embers are still glowing then they are still burning. Also, the term "after death" does not apply to arahants because arahants do not die. If I could score this post down 3 times I would. This post does not have any yoniso manasikara but is just copy paste.
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Arahants who are still living are those with "fuel" remaining and sense faculties (salayatana) still operating. The "fuel" here refers to the five aggregates. Hence Vinnana, one of the five aggregates, is still existing. The five aggregates have stopped burning with the fires of passion, aversion and delusion, but they are like glowing embers. When the arahant passes away, then the "fuel" is no more remaining.
Then, what about namarupa? It is also still existing for living arahants. Contact (phassa) and feeling (vedana) also still exists for living arahants. However, craving (tanha) has ended for arahants. Without craving, there is no clinging (upadana). Without clinging, there is no becoming (bhava) in the future i.e. no suffering here or anywhere else after death. Arahants are also free of ignorance (avijja).
According to Itivuttaka 44:
This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have
heard: "Monks, there are these two forms of the Unbinding property.
Which two? The Unbinding property with fuel remaining, & the Unbinding
property with no fuel remaining.
And what is the Unbinding property with fuel remaining? There is the
case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended, who
has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. His five sense faculties still remain and, owing
to their being intact, he is cognizant of the agreeable & the
disagreeable, and is sensitive to pleasure & pain. His ending of
passion, aversion, & delusion is termed the Unbinding property with
fuel remaining. (Note1)
And what is the Unbinding property with no fuel remaining? There is
the case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended,
who has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. For him, all that is sensed, being unrelished,
will grow cold right here. This is termed the Unbinding property with
no fuel remaining." (Note2)
Note1 and Note2 (commentary by Thanissaro Bhikkhu):
With fuel remaining (sa-upadisesa) and with no fuel
remaining (anupadisesa): The analogy here is to a fire. In the first
case, the flames are out, but the embers are still glowing. In the
second, the fire is so thoroughly out that the embers have grown cold.
The "fuel" here is the five aggregates. While the arahant is still
alive, he/she still experiences the five aggregates, but they do not
burn with the fires of passion, aversion, or delusion. When the
arahant passes away, there is no longer any experience of aggregates
here or anywhere else.
answered 1 hour ago
ruben2020
12.8k21139
Arahants who are still living are those with "fuel" remaining and sense faculties (salayatana) still operating. The "fuel" here refers to the five aggregates. Hence Vinnana, one of the five aggregates, is still existing. The five aggregates have stopped burning with the fires of passion, aversion and delusion, but they are like glowing embers. When the arahant passes away, then the "fuel" is no more remaining.
Then, what about namarupa? It is also still existing for living arahants. Contact (phassa) and feeling (vedana) also still exists for living arahants. However, craving (tanha) has ended for arahants. Without craving, there is no clinging (upadana). Without clinging, there is no becoming (bhava) in the future i.e. no suffering here or anywhere else after death. Arahants are also free of ignorance (avijja).
According to Itivuttaka 44:
This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have
heard: "Monks, there are these two forms of the Unbinding property.
Which two? The Unbinding property with fuel remaining, & the Unbinding
property with no fuel remaining.
And what is the Unbinding property with fuel remaining? There is the
case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended, who
has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. His five sense faculties still remain and, owing
to their being intact, he is cognizant of the agreeable & the
disagreeable, and is sensitive to pleasure & pain. His ending of
passion, aversion, & delusion is termed the Unbinding property with
fuel remaining. (Note1)
And what is the Unbinding property with no fuel remaining? There is
the case where a monk is an arahant whose fermentations have ended,
who has reached fulfillment, finished the task, laid down the burden,
attained the true goal, ended the fetter of becoming, and is released
through right gnosis. For him, all that is sensed, being unrelished,
will grow cold right here. This is termed the Unbinding property with
no fuel remaining." (Note2)
Note1 and Note2 (commentary by Thanissaro Bhikkhu):
With fuel remaining (sa-upadisesa) and with no fuel
remaining (anupadisesa): The analogy here is to a fire. In the first
case, the flames are out, but the embers are still glowing. In the
second, the fire is so thoroughly out that the embers have grown cold.
The "fuel" here is the five aggregates. While the arahant is still
alive, he/she still experiences the five aggregates, but they do not
burn with the fires of passion, aversion, or delusion. When the
arahant passes away, there is no longer any experience of aggregates
here or anywhere else.
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I marked this question down because it presents no evidence the "fuel" is the five aggregates. Also, there is no evidence for the idea of "glowing embers". If embers are still glowing then they are still burning. Also, the term "after death" does not apply to arahants because arahants do not die. If I could score this post down 3 times I would. This post does not have any yoniso manasikara but is just copy paste.
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I marked this question down because it presents no evidence the "fuel" is the five aggregates. Also, there is no evidence for the idea of "glowing embers". If embers are still glowing then they are still burning. Also, the term "after death" does not apply to arahants because arahants do not die. If I could score this post down 3 times I would. This post does not have any yoniso manasikara but is just copy paste.
– Dhammadhatu
52 mins ago
I marked this question down because it presents no evidence the "fuel" is the five aggregates. Also, there is no evidence for the idea of "glowing embers". If embers are still glowing then they are still burning. Also, the term "after death" does not apply to arahants because arahants do not die. If I could score this post down 3 times I would. This post does not have any yoniso manasikara but is just copy paste.
– Dhammadhatu
52 mins ago
I marked this question down because it presents no evidence the "fuel" is the five aggregates. Also, there is no evidence for the idea of "glowing embers". If embers are still glowing then they are still burning. Also, the term "after death" does not apply to arahants because arahants do not die. If I could score this post down 3 times I would. This post does not have any yoniso manasikara but is just copy paste.
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I marked this question down because you have asked it more than once on different forums and you do no even know what vinnana and nama-rupa are. If you don't even know what nama-rupa is then what is the point of asking does the Buddha have nama-rupa? Its like asking the question: "What did the Buddha think about the USA"?
– Dhammadhatu
1 hour ago