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Can a Battle Master apply Feint and Trip attacks to the same attack roll?
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I’m currently developing a level 4 fighter for our next upcoming campaign. He’s a duellist and dex fighter and built around being very effective in one-on-one combat. As a human he will have the defensive duellist feat from 1st level, duellist fighting style and I’ve picked riposte, trip attack and feinting attack, wielding a rapier one-handed.
So my question is this:
Feinting attack is a bonus action and uses one manoeuvre here, during the bonus action. This gives advantage on the attack roll, with the superiority die adding to the damage on a hit. So far so good.
I understand that no more than one manoeuvre can be used per attack.
Now here’s the bit where it gets a little ambiguous. On said attack roll (same turn) using my action, am I able to use a manoeuvre (namely trip attack) since the initial manoeuvre from feint would be used on my BONUS action to APPLY to the attack roll, rather than on the ACTUAL attack roll, on which trip attack would be the manoeuvre applied? If so, would I be able to add two superiority dice to the damage on this attack roll?
In my mind this makes sense because the maneovres themselves are separate and although the results affect the same attack, the maneovres are not actually made on the same action. This would become especially strong on a failed strength by the target against being knocked prone, as it would give me a SECOND attack with advantage on the same turn when using action surge or when using extra attack after 5th level.
I could use some clarification here in the RAW regarding this. As I see it, it’s relatively low risk, high reward, but if the attack does happen to miss, even with advantage, that’s a waste of two superiority dice. I therefore don’t think there’s a balance issue here and I’m not really interested in house rules, just clarification on RAW to make sure I’m not missing something here. My DM is likely to believe whatever answer I give him but I don’t wanna make myself gamebreakingly OP against single targets if I can’t do so within RAW.
Thanks in advance guys!
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I’m currently developing a level 4 fighter for our next upcoming campaign. He’s a duellist and dex fighter and built around being very effective in one-on-one combat. As a human he will have the defensive duellist feat from 1st level, duellist fighting style and I’ve picked riposte, trip attack and feinting attack, wielding a rapier one-handed.
So my question is this:
Feinting attack is a bonus action and uses one manoeuvre here, during the bonus action. This gives advantage on the attack roll, with the superiority die adding to the damage on a hit. So far so good.
I understand that no more than one manoeuvre can be used per attack.
Now here’s the bit where it gets a little ambiguous. On said attack roll (same turn) using my action, am I able to use a manoeuvre (namely trip attack) since the initial manoeuvre from feint would be used on my BONUS action to APPLY to the attack roll, rather than on the ACTUAL attack roll, on which trip attack would be the manoeuvre applied? If so, would I be able to add two superiority dice to the damage on this attack roll?
In my mind this makes sense because the maneovres themselves are separate and although the results affect the same attack, the maneovres are not actually made on the same action. This would become especially strong on a failed strength by the target against being knocked prone, as it would give me a SECOND attack with advantage on the same turn when using action surge or when using extra attack after 5th level.
I could use some clarification here in the RAW regarding this. As I see it, it’s relatively low risk, high reward, but if the attack does happen to miss, even with advantage, that’s a waste of two superiority dice. I therefore don’t think there’s a balance issue here and I’m not really interested in house rules, just clarification on RAW to make sure I’m not missing something here. My DM is likely to believe whatever answer I give him but I don’t wanna make myself gamebreakingly OP against single targets if I can’t do so within RAW.
Thanks in advance guys!
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I hope you're using a shield along with that rapier!
– Miniman
46 mins ago
My apologies, I misunderstood your question. I'll correct my answer before reanswering.
– Axoren
43 mins ago
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@NautArch More specifically: this answer to that question is 100% related.
– Axoren
31 mins ago
1
Sorry for the spelling edits; did the same with Carcer's answer, didn't realise that manoeuver is correct as well. I've reverted my edit, so your original spelling is restored.
– NathanS
26 mins ago
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@NathanS In the context of 5e, the spelling Maneuver is used consistently. Because it's an actionable word and not just literary fluff, there's no reason to apologize for correcting it and IMO it should have probably been corrected.
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I’m currently developing a level 4 fighter for our next upcoming campaign. He’s a duellist and dex fighter and built around being very effective in one-on-one combat. As a human he will have the defensive duellist feat from 1st level, duellist fighting style and I’ve picked riposte, trip attack and feinting attack, wielding a rapier one-handed.
So my question is this:
Feinting attack is a bonus action and uses one manoeuvre here, during the bonus action. This gives advantage on the attack roll, with the superiority die adding to the damage on a hit. So far so good.
I understand that no more than one manoeuvre can be used per attack.
Now here’s the bit where it gets a little ambiguous. On said attack roll (same turn) using my action, am I able to use a manoeuvre (namely trip attack) since the initial manoeuvre from feint would be used on my BONUS action to APPLY to the attack roll, rather than on the ACTUAL attack roll, on which trip attack would be the manoeuvre applied? If so, would I be able to add two superiority dice to the damage on this attack roll?
In my mind this makes sense because the maneovres themselves are separate and although the results affect the same attack, the maneovres are not actually made on the same action. This would become especially strong on a failed strength by the target against being knocked prone, as it would give me a SECOND attack with advantage on the same turn when using action surge or when using extra attack after 5th level.
I could use some clarification here in the RAW regarding this. As I see it, it’s relatively low risk, high reward, but if the attack does happen to miss, even with advantage, that’s a waste of two superiority dice. I therefore don’t think there’s a balance issue here and I’m not really interested in house rules, just clarification on RAW to make sure I’m not missing something here. My DM is likely to believe whatever answer I give him but I don’t wanna make myself gamebreakingly OP against single targets if I can’t do so within RAW.
Thanks in advance guys!
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I’m currently developing a level 4 fighter for our next upcoming campaign. He’s a duellist and dex fighter and built around being very effective in one-on-one combat. As a human he will have the defensive duellist feat from 1st level, duellist fighting style and I’ve picked riposte, trip attack and feinting attack, wielding a rapier one-handed.
So my question is this:
Feinting attack is a bonus action and uses one manoeuvre here, during the bonus action. This gives advantage on the attack roll, with the superiority die adding to the damage on a hit. So far so good.
I understand that no more than one manoeuvre can be used per attack.
Now here’s the bit where it gets a little ambiguous. On said attack roll (same turn) using my action, am I able to use a manoeuvre (namely trip attack) since the initial manoeuvre from feint would be used on my BONUS action to APPLY to the attack roll, rather than on the ACTUAL attack roll, on which trip attack would be the manoeuvre applied? If so, would I be able to add two superiority dice to the damage on this attack roll?
In my mind this makes sense because the maneovres themselves are separate and although the results affect the same attack, the maneovres are not actually made on the same action. This would become especially strong on a failed strength by the target against being knocked prone, as it would give me a SECOND attack with advantage on the same turn when using action surge or when using extra attack after 5th level.
I could use some clarification here in the RAW regarding this. As I see it, it’s relatively low risk, high reward, but if the attack does happen to miss, even with advantage, that’s a waste of two superiority dice. I therefore don’t think there’s a balance issue here and I’m not really interested in house rules, just clarification on RAW to make sure I’m not missing something here. My DM is likely to believe whatever answer I give him but I don’t wanna make myself gamebreakingly OP against single targets if I can’t do so within RAW.
Thanks in advance guys!
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I hope you're using a shield along with that rapier!
– Miniman
46 mins ago
My apologies, I misunderstood your question. I'll correct my answer before reanswering.
– Axoren
43 mins ago
1
@NautArch More specifically: this answer to that question is 100% related.
– Axoren
31 mins ago
1
Sorry for the spelling edits; did the same with Carcer's answer, didn't realise that manoeuver is correct as well. I've reverted my edit, so your original spelling is restored.
– NathanS
26 mins ago
1
@NathanS In the context of 5e, the spelling Maneuver is used consistently. Because it's an actionable word and not just literary fluff, there's no reason to apologize for correcting it and IMO it should have probably been corrected.
– Axoren
23 mins ago
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I hope you're using a shield along with that rapier!
– Miniman
46 mins ago
My apologies, I misunderstood your question. I'll correct my answer before reanswering.
– Axoren
43 mins ago
1
@NautArch More specifically: this answer to that question is 100% related.
– Axoren
31 mins ago
1
Sorry for the spelling edits; did the same with Carcer's answer, didn't realise that manoeuver is correct as well. I've reverted my edit, so your original spelling is restored.
– NathanS
26 mins ago
1
@NathanS In the context of 5e, the spelling Maneuver is used consistently. Because it's an actionable word and not just literary fluff, there's no reason to apologize for correcting it and IMO it should have probably been corrected.
– Axoren
23 mins ago
I hope you're using a shield along with that rapier!
– Miniman
46 mins ago
I hope you're using a shield along with that rapier!
– Miniman
46 mins ago
My apologies, I misunderstood your question. I'll correct my answer before reanswering.
– Axoren
43 mins ago
My apologies, I misunderstood your question. I'll correct my answer before reanswering.
– Axoren
43 mins ago
1
1
@NautArch More specifically: this answer to that question is 100% related.
– Axoren
31 mins ago
@NautArch More specifically: this answer to that question is 100% related.
– Axoren
31 mins ago
1
1
Sorry for the spelling edits; did the same with Carcer's answer, didn't realise that manoeuver is correct as well. I've reverted my edit, so your original spelling is restored.
– NathanS
26 mins ago
Sorry for the spelling edits; did the same with Carcer's answer, didn't realise that manoeuver is correct as well. I've reverted my edit, so your original spelling is restored.
– NathanS
26 mins ago
1
1
@NathanS In the context of 5e, the spelling Maneuver is used consistently. Because it's an actionable word and not just literary fluff, there's no reason to apologize for correcting it and IMO it should have probably been corrected.
– Axoren
23 mins ago
@NathanS In the context of 5e, the spelling Maneuver is used consistently. Because it's an actionable word and not just literary fluff, there's no reason to apologize for correcting it and IMO it should have probably been corrected.
– Axoren
23 mins ago
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Yes
By using Feinting Attack you apply an ongoing affect to a creature using your bonus action. This effect triggers on your next attack.
As specified in the Feinting Attack,
You can expend one superiority die and use a bonus action on your turn to feint [...] Until the end of the turn, you have advantage on your next attack roll against that creature.
A Feinting Attack is triggered using your bonus action. The Maneuvers section specifies that
You can use only one maneuver per attack.
However, you will have used one maneuver on your bonus action, the effect of which takes place on your next attack. On your next attack you may choose to add whatever maneuver you see fit.
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You're probably intended to be able to use these manoeuvres together.
Your logic is generally sound. The precise wording in the rules is:
Many maneuvers enhance an attack in some way. You can use only one maneuver per attack.
This is in reference to the manoeuvres which you can trigger because you hit with an attack or are making an attack - so you don't get to use Disarming Attack and Trip Attack at the same time. However, Feinting Attack doesn't work that way - the manoeuvre isn't a modification to an attack, it's a separate action that you perform which will grant advantage to a later attack - you don't use it on an attack directly like most other manouevres. Thematically, it makes perfect sense for a Battlemaster to combine a Feinting Attack with their other techniques, and making them exclusive to each other would be an unnecessarily harsh reading of the rules.
If Feinting Attack's trigger was written "when you make a melee weapon attack, you may use a bonus action to spend a superiority die and grant yourself advantage on the attack roll" - which is functionally how the manoeuvre will be used most of the time - then this would be a different ruling.
As a final note, you might have slightly misinterpreted how some manoeuvres are used - you're not at risk of wasting your second superiority die due to missing the attack. Trip Attack is triggered "when you hit", not when you attack, so you would only ever be using it after you've already confirmed the hit. (It is of course possible that the target makes the save to avoid being tripped, but even then you still get to add your superiority die to damage.)
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@NathanS please don't edit posts to Americanise spelling. There's nothing wrong with British English.
– Carcer
31 mins ago
Is maneuver american? I was just matching the quote, and thought that manoeuver was a typo. Sorry about that. I did the same with the question and have reverted it also.
– NathanS
27 mins ago
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@NathanS yeah, AmE is "maneuver", BrE is "manoeuvre" (as in French). When I'm quoting directly I stick with whatever version is used in the source but in my own prose I use British spelling. Apology accepted anyway - no harm done.
– Carcer
24 mins ago
@Carcer Maneuver is the spelling of the keyword in 5e. While it's not a typo of the actual word, it's a typo of the actionable phrase as used in the D&D literature, in the same way that Attack and attack carry different meanings in 5e.
– Axoren
21 mins ago
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@Axoren it's purely a dialect difference and you do not avoid any confusion with similar game terms (as you might argue in the case of Attack vs. attack) by insisting on a specific spelling. "maneuver" and "manoeuvre" are functionally identical terms and no correction is necessary.
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Yes
By using Feinting Attack you apply an ongoing affect to a creature using your bonus action. This effect triggers on your next attack.
As specified in the Feinting Attack,
You can expend one superiority die and use a bonus action on your turn to feint [...] Until the end of the turn, you have advantage on your next attack roll against that creature.
A Feinting Attack is triggered using your bonus action. The Maneuvers section specifies that
You can use only one maneuver per attack.
However, you will have used one maneuver on your bonus action, the effect of which takes place on your next attack. On your next attack you may choose to add whatever maneuver you see fit.
answered 31 mins ago
Duncan McKirdy
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Yes
By using Feinting Attack you apply an ongoing affect to a creature using your bonus action. This effect triggers on your next attack.
As specified in the Feinting Attack,
You can expend one superiority die and use a bonus action on your turn to feint [...] Until the end of the turn, you have advantage on your next attack roll against that creature.
A Feinting Attack is triggered using your bonus action. The Maneuvers section specifies that
You can use only one maneuver per attack.
However, you will have used one maneuver on your bonus action, the effect of which takes place on your next attack. On your next attack you may choose to add whatever maneuver you see fit.
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Yes
By using Feinting Attack you apply an ongoing affect to a creature using your bonus action. This effect triggers on your next attack.
As specified in the Feinting Attack,
You can expend one superiority die and use a bonus action on your turn to feint [...] Until the end of the turn, you have advantage on your next attack roll against that creature.
A Feinting Attack is triggered using your bonus action. The Maneuvers section specifies that
You can use only one maneuver per attack.
However, you will have used one maneuver on your bonus action, the effect of which takes place on your next attack. On your next attack you may choose to add whatever maneuver you see fit.
answered 31 mins ago
Duncan McKirdy
606211
Yes
By using Feinting Attack you apply an ongoing affect to a creature using your bonus action. This effect triggers on your next attack.
As specified in the Feinting Attack,
You can expend one superiority die and use a bonus action on your turn to feint [...] Until the end of the turn, you have advantage on your next attack roll against that creature.
A Feinting Attack is triggered using your bonus action. The Maneuvers section specifies that
You can use only one maneuver per attack.
However, you will have used one maneuver on your bonus action, the effect of which takes place on your next attack. On your next attack you may choose to add whatever maneuver you see fit.
answered 31 mins ago
Duncan McKirdy
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answered 31 mins ago
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You're probably intended to be able to use these manoeuvres together.
Your logic is generally sound. The precise wording in the rules is:
Many maneuvers enhance an attack in some way. You can use only one maneuver per attack.
This is in reference to the manoeuvres which you can trigger because you hit with an attack or are making an attack - so you don't get to use Disarming Attack and Trip Attack at the same time. However, Feinting Attack doesn't work that way - the manoeuvre isn't a modification to an attack, it's a separate action that you perform which will grant advantage to a later attack - you don't use it on an attack directly like most other manouevres. Thematically, it makes perfect sense for a Battlemaster to combine a Feinting Attack with their other techniques, and making them exclusive to each other would be an unnecessarily harsh reading of the rules.
If Feinting Attack's trigger was written "when you make a melee weapon attack, you may use a bonus action to spend a superiority die and grant yourself advantage on the attack roll" - which is functionally how the manoeuvre will be used most of the time - then this would be a different ruling.
As a final note, you might have slightly misinterpreted how some manoeuvres are used - you're not at risk of wasting your second superiority die due to missing the attack. Trip Attack is triggered "when you hit", not when you attack, so you would only ever be using it after you've already confirmed the hit. (It is of course possible that the target makes the save to avoid being tripped, but even then you still get to add your superiority die to damage.)
answered 49 mins ago
Carcer
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@NathanS please don't edit posts to Americanise spelling. There's nothing wrong with British English.
– Carcer
31 mins ago
Is maneuver american? I was just matching the quote, and thought that manoeuver was a typo. Sorry about that. I did the same with the question and have reverted it also.
– NathanS
27 mins ago
1
@NathanS yeah, AmE is "maneuver", BrE is "manoeuvre" (as in French). When I'm quoting directly I stick with whatever version is used in the source but in my own prose I use British spelling. Apology accepted anyway - no harm done.
– Carcer
24 mins ago
@Carcer Maneuver is the spelling of the keyword in 5e. While it's not a typo of the actual word, it's a typo of the actionable phrase as used in the D&D literature, in the same way that Attack and attack carry different meanings in 5e.
– Axoren
21 mins ago
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@Axoren it's purely a dialect difference and you do not avoid any confusion with similar game terms (as you might argue in the case of Attack vs. attack) by insisting on a specific spelling. "maneuver" and "manoeuvre" are functionally identical terms and no correction is necessary.
– Carcer
17 mins ago
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You're probably intended to be able to use these manoeuvres together.
Your logic is generally sound. The precise wording in the rules is:
Many maneuvers enhance an attack in some way. You can use only one maneuver per attack.
This is in reference to the manoeuvres which you can trigger because you hit with an attack or are making an attack - so you don't get to use Disarming Attack and Trip Attack at the same time. However, Feinting Attack doesn't work that way - the manoeuvre isn't a modification to an attack, it's a separate action that you perform which will grant advantage to a later attack - you don't use it on an attack directly like most other manouevres. Thematically, it makes perfect sense for a Battlemaster to combine a Feinting Attack with their other techniques, and making them exclusive to each other would be an unnecessarily harsh reading of the rules.
If Feinting Attack's trigger was written "when you make a melee weapon attack, you may use a bonus action to spend a superiority die and grant yourself advantage on the attack roll" - which is functionally how the manoeuvre will be used most of the time - then this would be a different ruling.
As a final note, you might have slightly misinterpreted how some manoeuvres are used - you're not at risk of wasting your second superiority die due to missing the attack. Trip Attack is triggered "when you hit", not when you attack, so you would only ever be using it after you've already confirmed the hit. (It is of course possible that the target makes the save to avoid being tripped, but even then you still get to add your superiority die to damage.)
answered 49 mins ago
Carcer
18.5k247103
@NathanS please don't edit posts to Americanise spelling. There's nothing wrong with British English.
– Carcer
31 mins ago
Is maneuver american? I was just matching the quote, and thought that manoeuver was a typo. Sorry about that. I did the same with the question and have reverted it also.
– NathanS
27 mins ago
1
@NathanS yeah, AmE is "maneuver", BrE is "manoeuvre" (as in French). When I'm quoting directly I stick with whatever version is used in the source but in my own prose I use British spelling. Apology accepted anyway - no harm done.
– Carcer
24 mins ago
@Carcer Maneuver is the spelling of the keyword in 5e. While it's not a typo of the actual word, it's a typo of the actionable phrase as used in the D&D literature, in the same way that Attack and attack carry different meanings in 5e.
– Axoren
21 mins ago
2
@Axoren it's purely a dialect difference and you do not avoid any confusion with similar game terms (as you might argue in the case of Attack vs. attack) by insisting on a specific spelling. "maneuver" and "manoeuvre" are functionally identical terms and no correction is necessary.
– Carcer
17 mins ago
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You're probably intended to be able to use these manoeuvres together.
Your logic is generally sound. The precise wording in the rules is:
Many maneuvers enhance an attack in some way. You can use only one maneuver per attack.
This is in reference to the manoeuvres which you can trigger because you hit with an attack or are making an attack - so you don't get to use Disarming Attack and Trip Attack at the same time. However, Feinting Attack doesn't work that way - the manoeuvre isn't a modification to an attack, it's a separate action that you perform which will grant advantage to a later attack - you don't use it on an attack directly like most other manouevres. Thematically, it makes perfect sense for a Battlemaster to combine a Feinting Attack with their other techniques, and making them exclusive to each other would be an unnecessarily harsh reading of the rules.
If Feinting Attack's trigger was written "when you make a melee weapon attack, you may use a bonus action to spend a superiority die and grant yourself advantage on the attack roll" - which is functionally how the manoeuvre will be used most of the time - then this would be a different ruling.
As a final note, you might have slightly misinterpreted how some manoeuvres are used - you're not at risk of wasting your second superiority die due to missing the attack. Trip Attack is triggered "when you hit", not when you attack, so you would only ever be using it after you've already confirmed the hit. (It is of course possible that the target makes the save to avoid being tripped, but even then you still get to add your superiority die to damage.)
answered 49 mins ago
Carcer
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You're probably intended to be able to use these manoeuvres together.
Your logic is generally sound. The precise wording in the rules is:
Many maneuvers enhance an attack in some way. You can use only one maneuver per attack.
This is in reference to the manoeuvres which you can trigger because you hit with an attack or are making an attack - so you don't get to use Disarming Attack and Trip Attack at the same time. However, Feinting Attack doesn't work that way - the manoeuvre isn't a modification to an attack, it's a separate action that you perform which will grant advantage to a later attack - you don't use it on an attack directly like most other manouevres. Thematically, it makes perfect sense for a Battlemaster to combine a Feinting Attack with their other techniques, and making them exclusive to each other would be an unnecessarily harsh reading of the rules.
If Feinting Attack's trigger was written "when you make a melee weapon attack, you may use a bonus action to spend a superiority die and grant yourself advantage on the attack roll" - which is functionally how the manoeuvre will be used most of the time - then this would be a different ruling.
As a final note, you might have slightly misinterpreted how some manoeuvres are used - you're not at risk of wasting your second superiority die due to missing the attack. Trip Attack is triggered "when you hit", not when you attack, so you would only ever be using it after you've already confirmed the hit. (It is of course possible that the target makes the save to avoid being tripped, but even then you still get to add your superiority die to damage.)
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answered 49 mins ago
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answered 49 mins ago
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answered 49 mins ago
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@NathanS please don't edit posts to Americanise spelling. There's nothing wrong with British English.
– Carcer
31 mins ago
Is maneuver american? I was just matching the quote, and thought that manoeuver was a typo. Sorry about that. I did the same with the question and have reverted it also.
– NathanS
27 mins ago
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@NathanS yeah, AmE is "maneuver", BrE is "manoeuvre" (as in French). When I'm quoting directly I stick with whatever version is used in the source but in my own prose I use British spelling. Apology accepted anyway - no harm done.
– Carcer
24 mins ago
@Carcer Maneuver is the spelling of the keyword in 5e. While it's not a typo of the actual word, it's a typo of the actionable phrase as used in the D&D literature, in the same way that Attack and attack carry different meanings in 5e.
– Axoren
21 mins ago
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@Axoren it's purely a dialect difference and you do not avoid any confusion with similar game terms (as you might argue in the case of Attack vs. attack) by insisting on a specific spelling. "maneuver" and "manoeuvre" are functionally identical terms and no correction is necessary.
– Carcer
17 mins ago
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@NathanS please don't edit posts to Americanise spelling. There's nothing wrong with British English.
– Carcer
31 mins ago
Is maneuver american? I was just matching the quote, and thought that manoeuver was a typo. Sorry about that. I did the same with the question and have reverted it also.
– NathanS
27 mins ago
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@NathanS yeah, AmE is "maneuver", BrE is "manoeuvre" (as in French). When I'm quoting directly I stick with whatever version is used in the source but in my own prose I use British spelling. Apology accepted anyway - no harm done.
– Carcer
24 mins ago
@Carcer Maneuver is the spelling of the keyword in 5e. While it's not a typo of the actual word, it's a typo of the actionable phrase as used in the D&D literature, in the same way that Attack and attack carry different meanings in 5e.
– Axoren
21 mins ago
2
@Axoren it's purely a dialect difference and you do not avoid any confusion with similar game terms (as you might argue in the case of Attack vs. attack) by insisting on a specific spelling. "maneuver" and "manoeuvre" are functionally identical terms and no correction is necessary.
– Carcer
17 mins ago
@NathanS please don't edit posts to Americanise spelling. There's nothing wrong with British English.
– Carcer
31 mins ago
@NathanS please don't edit posts to Americanise spelling. There's nothing wrong with British English.
– Carcer
31 mins ago
Is maneuver american? I was just matching the quote, and thought that manoeuver was a typo. Sorry about that. I did the same with the question and have reverted it also.
– NathanS
27 mins ago
Is maneuver american? I was just matching the quote, and thought that manoeuver was a typo. Sorry about that. I did the same with the question and have reverted it also.
– NathanS
27 mins ago
1
1
@NathanS yeah, AmE is "maneuver", BrE is "manoeuvre" (as in French). When I'm quoting directly I stick with whatever version is used in the source but in my own prose I use British spelling. Apology accepted anyway - no harm done.
– Carcer
24 mins ago
@NathanS yeah, AmE is "maneuver", BrE is "manoeuvre" (as in French). When I'm quoting directly I stick with whatever version is used in the source but in my own prose I use British spelling. Apology accepted anyway - no harm done.
– Carcer
24 mins ago
@Carcer Maneuver is the spelling of the keyword in 5e. While it's not a typo of the actual word, it's a typo of the actionable phrase as used in the D&D literature, in the same way that Attack and attack carry different meanings in 5e.
– Axoren
21 mins ago
@Carcer Maneuver is the spelling of the keyword in 5e. While it's not a typo of the actual word, it's a typo of the actionable phrase as used in the D&D literature, in the same way that Attack and attack carry different meanings in 5e.
– Axoren
21 mins ago
2
2
@Axoren it's purely a dialect difference and you do not avoid any confusion with similar game terms (as you might argue in the case of Attack vs. attack) by insisting on a specific spelling. "maneuver" and "manoeuvre" are functionally identical terms and no correction is necessary.
– Carcer
17 mins ago
@Axoren it's purely a dialect difference and you do not avoid any confusion with similar game terms (as you might argue in the case of Attack vs. attack) by insisting on a specific spelling. "maneuver" and "manoeuvre" are functionally identical terms and no correction is necessary.
– Carcer
17 mins ago
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I hope you're using a shield along with that rapier!
– Miniman
46 mins ago
My apologies, I misunderstood your question. I'll correct my answer before reanswering.
– Axoren
43 mins ago
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@NautArch More specifically: this answer to that question is 100% related.
– Axoren
31 mins ago
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Sorry for the spelling edits; did the same with Carcer's answer, didn't realise that manoeuver is correct as well. I've reverted my edit, so your original spelling is restored.
– NathanS
26 mins ago
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@NathanS In the context of 5e, the spelling Maneuver is used consistently. Because it's an actionable word and not just literary fluff, there's no reason to apologize for correcting it and IMO it should have probably been corrected.
– Axoren
23 mins ago