Will the publisher/agent tell me what to write?
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I recently read this answer, which suggested that an author's first novel will be rejected, and the publisher will instead get the author to write the novel they want to publish, assuming they feel the author's writing has potential. This is bad news for me, as I have an entire universe mapped out with endless novel series, which I intend on publishing. If the publisher is just going to reject the first one and tell me to write something else, then how can I ever publish what I want to?
Is this true? Do publishers/agents frequently reject first-time novels, and instead get you to write the novel they want to publish? If this is the case, what can I do to get what I want to write published?
Note: I'm aware of self-publishing and how it works, so please don't make that the answer to the second part of the question if there's another option. If there's nothing I can do, and publishers will always force me to write what they want, then I'll look at self-publishing.
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I recently read this answer, which suggested that an author's first novel will be rejected, and the publisher will instead get the author to write the novel they want to publish, assuming they feel the author's writing has potential. This is bad news for me, as I have an entire universe mapped out with endless novel series, which I intend on publishing. If the publisher is just going to reject the first one and tell me to write something else, then how can I ever publish what I want to?
Is this true? Do publishers/agents frequently reject first-time novels, and instead get you to write the novel they want to publish? If this is the case, what can I do to get what I want to write published?
Note: I'm aware of self-publishing and how it works, so please don't make that the answer to the second part of the question if there's another option. If there's nothing I can do, and publishers will always force me to write what they want, then I'll look at self-publishing.
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I recently read this answer, which suggested that an author's first novel will be rejected, and the publisher will instead get the author to write the novel they want to publish, assuming they feel the author's writing has potential. This is bad news for me, as I have an entire universe mapped out with endless novel series, which I intend on publishing. If the publisher is just going to reject the first one and tell me to write something else, then how can I ever publish what I want to?
Is this true? Do publishers/agents frequently reject first-time novels, and instead get you to write the novel they want to publish? If this is the case, what can I do to get what I want to write published?
Note: I'm aware of self-publishing and how it works, so please don't make that the answer to the second part of the question if there's another option. If there's nothing I can do, and publishers will always force me to write what they want, then I'll look at self-publishing.
creative-writing publisher first-time-author
I recently read this answer, which suggested that an author's first novel will be rejected, and the publisher will instead get the author to write the novel they want to publish, assuming they feel the author's writing has potential. This is bad news for me, as I have an entire universe mapped out with endless novel series, which I intend on publishing. If the publisher is just going to reject the first one and tell me to write something else, then how can I ever publish what I want to?
Is this true? Do publishers/agents frequently reject first-time novels, and instead get you to write the novel they want to publish? If this is the case, what can I do to get what I want to write published?
Note: I'm aware of self-publishing and how it works, so please don't make that the answer to the second part of the question if there's another option. If there's nothing I can do, and publishers will always force me to write what they want, then I'll look at self-publishing.
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This answer has been given multiple times before on this site, and it was consistently met with reservation and disbelief. Yet it is what I have learned from published authors:
First novels are consistently rejected because they lack quality.
Writing is something that you have to learn. And it is something that you learn through practice, that is, by writing. Therefore, in the course of learning to write, you write many texts that are not the works of a master (and publishable) but exercises (and not worthy of publication). That is why your first submissions will most likely be rejected, and it is also why those that don't give up after a few rejections but keep writing will most of them eventually get published (!).
The downside is that many of your early ideas will be badly executed and either remain unpublished for ever or you will have to rewrite them once you have achieved (publishable) mastery.
There are two common approaches to this:
Write another book until one gets published. If you still feel for your first stories, rewrite them and publish them later.
Keep rewriting your first novel until it gets published. (You may grow tired of your story while you do this.)
A survey of 200 traditionally published authors found that on average they had written 3.24 books before they got published.
While zero books before publication happens, and not infrequently, you shouldn't plan on being one of them. Mostly (I found) those are writers with long years of practice writing non-fiction (e.g. journalists) or other kinds of fiction (e.g. screenwriters, short-story writers, etc.).
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I have never heard of a publisher rejecting a novel and telling the writer what to write. It may happen, but what usually happens is one of the following:
silent rejection (99.9%)
The agent or publisher specifies in their submission guidelines that when they don't reply after a certain time it means that they were not interested. This is the common "reply" today.
signalling interest in further submissions
Sometimes a publisher or agent will see so much potential in your work that they ask you to send in your next manuscript.
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I've been practicing my writing by writing fan fiction for eight years. Is that likely to count in my favor, or not be considered as 'official' practice?
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If an agent/publisher is interested enough in the novel you submitted to get into business with you, why on earth would s/he not try to sell it? Conversely, if the novel (whether first, third, or 34th) is - according to their opinion - not marketable or whatever, they wouldn't even pay any attention to you.
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Terry's answer aligns with my knowledge, but here's a little more I'd add that is relevant to your question.
Writers I know who have been agented are asked to revise their manuscripts before the manuscript is sent to publishing houses. I believe it was GGX or Galastel that explained: At the query stage you are competing largely with un-agented writers. At the agented stage, you are competing with published authors.
So, the agent may well request rewrites. But you still need a perfect novel going into your query stage.
Some writers I know write the query letter first, as odd as that sounds, because the query letter is what draws eyes to the novel as often as not. Then, with a top notch query in hand (and no constraints because no book exists as yet, except perhaps as concept) the novel is written. It sounds odd, but I've seen it work.
(I'm on my 26th re-write of my first novel. Early rewrites were learning the technical details. Later rewrites had to do with story structure. Later rewrites addressed beta comments. Later rewrites were simply for flow and eloquence or based off of 'craft books' (Manuscript Makeover is a good one.) Current rewrite is following a new craft book dealing with emotional subtext. The idea of emotional subtext was nowhere on my radar in draft 1, or 6, or 9. I have at least two more re-writes in my future: Another beta read, another edit for flow.)
Each to their own, but that "26th re-write" part there reminded me of Synecdoche New York, I must say. It also reminded me of Kenneth Branagh's comment on Shakespearean adaptations: "You don't finish them; you abandon them"
â Digital Dracula
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@DigitalDracula It cracks me up that I am on my 26th rewrite. :-) I can't wait to be on the 35th.
â DPT
24 mins ago
Must have been GGX. I've only managed to publish a couple of short stories in online anthologies so far.
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This answer has been given multiple times before on this site, and it was consistently met with reservation and disbelief. Yet it is what I have learned from published authors:
First novels are consistently rejected because they lack quality.
Writing is something that you have to learn. And it is something that you learn through practice, that is, by writing. Therefore, in the course of learning to write, you write many texts that are not the works of a master (and publishable) but exercises (and not worthy of publication). That is why your first submissions will most likely be rejected, and it is also why those that don't give up after a few rejections but keep writing will most of them eventually get published (!).
The downside is that many of your early ideas will be badly executed and either remain unpublished for ever or you will have to rewrite them once you have achieved (publishable) mastery.
There are two common approaches to this:
Write another book until one gets published. If you still feel for your first stories, rewrite them and publish them later.
Keep rewriting your first novel until it gets published. (You may grow tired of your story while you do this.)
A survey of 200 traditionally published authors found that on average they had written 3.24 books before they got published.
While zero books before publication happens, and not infrequently, you shouldn't plan on being one of them. Mostly (I found) those are writers with long years of practice writing non-fiction (e.g. journalists) or other kinds of fiction (e.g. screenwriters, short-story writers, etc.).
B
I have never heard of a publisher rejecting a novel and telling the writer what to write. It may happen, but what usually happens is one of the following:
silent rejection (99.9%)
The agent or publisher specifies in their submission guidelines that when they don't reply after a certain time it means that they were not interested. This is the common "reply" today.
signalling interest in further submissions
Sometimes a publisher or agent will see so much potential in your work that they ask you to send in your next manuscript.
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I've been practicing my writing by writing fan fiction for eight years. Is that likely to count in my favor, or not be considered as 'official' practice?
â Thomas Myron
1 min ago
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A
This answer has been given multiple times before on this site, and it was consistently met with reservation and disbelief. Yet it is what I have learned from published authors:
First novels are consistently rejected because they lack quality.
Writing is something that you have to learn. And it is something that you learn through practice, that is, by writing. Therefore, in the course of learning to write, you write many texts that are not the works of a master (and publishable) but exercises (and not worthy of publication). That is why your first submissions will most likely be rejected, and it is also why those that don't give up after a few rejections but keep writing will most of them eventually get published (!).
The downside is that many of your early ideas will be badly executed and either remain unpublished for ever or you will have to rewrite them once you have achieved (publishable) mastery.
There are two common approaches to this:
Write another book until one gets published. If you still feel for your first stories, rewrite them and publish them later.
Keep rewriting your first novel until it gets published. (You may grow tired of your story while you do this.)
A survey of 200 traditionally published authors found that on average they had written 3.24 books before they got published.
While zero books before publication happens, and not infrequently, you shouldn't plan on being one of them. Mostly (I found) those are writers with long years of practice writing non-fiction (e.g. journalists) or other kinds of fiction (e.g. screenwriters, short-story writers, etc.).
B
I have never heard of a publisher rejecting a novel and telling the writer what to write. It may happen, but what usually happens is one of the following:
silent rejection (99.9%)
The agent or publisher specifies in their submission guidelines that when they don't reply after a certain time it means that they were not interested. This is the common "reply" today.
signalling interest in further submissions
Sometimes a publisher or agent will see so much potential in your work that they ask you to send in your next manuscript.
New contributor
I've been practicing my writing by writing fan fiction for eight years. Is that likely to count in my favor, or not be considered as 'official' practice?
â Thomas Myron
1 min ago
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up vote
4
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A
This answer has been given multiple times before on this site, and it was consistently met with reservation and disbelief. Yet it is what I have learned from published authors:
First novels are consistently rejected because they lack quality.
Writing is something that you have to learn. And it is something that you learn through practice, that is, by writing. Therefore, in the course of learning to write, you write many texts that are not the works of a master (and publishable) but exercises (and not worthy of publication). That is why your first submissions will most likely be rejected, and it is also why those that don't give up after a few rejections but keep writing will most of them eventually get published (!).
The downside is that many of your early ideas will be badly executed and either remain unpublished for ever or you will have to rewrite them once you have achieved (publishable) mastery.
There are two common approaches to this:
Write another book until one gets published. If you still feel for your first stories, rewrite them and publish them later.
Keep rewriting your first novel until it gets published. (You may grow tired of your story while you do this.)
A survey of 200 traditionally published authors found that on average they had written 3.24 books before they got published.
While zero books before publication happens, and not infrequently, you shouldn't plan on being one of them. Mostly (I found) those are writers with long years of practice writing non-fiction (e.g. journalists) or other kinds of fiction (e.g. screenwriters, short-story writers, etc.).
B
I have never heard of a publisher rejecting a novel and telling the writer what to write. It may happen, but what usually happens is one of the following:
silent rejection (99.9%)
The agent or publisher specifies in their submission guidelines that when they don't reply after a certain time it means that they were not interested. This is the common "reply" today.
signalling interest in further submissions
Sometimes a publisher or agent will see so much potential in your work that they ask you to send in your next manuscript.
New contributor
A
This answer has been given multiple times before on this site, and it was consistently met with reservation and disbelief. Yet it is what I have learned from published authors:
First novels are consistently rejected because they lack quality.
Writing is something that you have to learn. And it is something that you learn through practice, that is, by writing. Therefore, in the course of learning to write, you write many texts that are not the works of a master (and publishable) but exercises (and not worthy of publication). That is why your first submissions will most likely be rejected, and it is also why those that don't give up after a few rejections but keep writing will most of them eventually get published (!).
The downside is that many of your early ideas will be badly executed and either remain unpublished for ever or you will have to rewrite them once you have achieved (publishable) mastery.
There are two common approaches to this:
Write another book until one gets published. If you still feel for your first stories, rewrite them and publish them later.
Keep rewriting your first novel until it gets published. (You may grow tired of your story while you do this.)
A survey of 200 traditionally published authors found that on average they had written 3.24 books before they got published.
While zero books before publication happens, and not infrequently, you shouldn't plan on being one of them. Mostly (I found) those are writers with long years of practice writing non-fiction (e.g. journalists) or other kinds of fiction (e.g. screenwriters, short-story writers, etc.).
B
I have never heard of a publisher rejecting a novel and telling the writer what to write. It may happen, but what usually happens is one of the following:
silent rejection (99.9%)
The agent or publisher specifies in their submission guidelines that when they don't reply after a certain time it means that they were not interested. This is the common "reply" today.
signalling interest in further submissions
Sometimes a publisher or agent will see so much potential in your work that they ask you to send in your next manuscript.
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I've been practicing my writing by writing fan fiction for eight years. Is that likely to count in my favor, or not be considered as 'official' practice?
â Thomas Myron
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I've been practicing my writing by writing fan fiction for eight years. Is that likely to count in my favor, or not be considered as 'official' practice?
â Thomas Myron
1 min ago
I've been practicing my writing by writing fan fiction for eight years. Is that likely to count in my favor, or not be considered as 'official' practice?
â Thomas Myron
1 min ago
I've been practicing my writing by writing fan fiction for eight years. Is that likely to count in my favor, or not be considered as 'official' practice?
â Thomas Myron
1 min ago
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If an agent/publisher is interested enough in the novel you submitted to get into business with you, why on earth would s/he not try to sell it? Conversely, if the novel (whether first, third, or 34th) is - according to their opinion - not marketable or whatever, they wouldn't even pay any attention to you.
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If an agent/publisher is interested enough in the novel you submitted to get into business with you, why on earth would s/he not try to sell it? Conversely, if the novel (whether first, third, or 34th) is - according to their opinion - not marketable or whatever, they wouldn't even pay any attention to you.
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If an agent/publisher is interested enough in the novel you submitted to get into business with you, why on earth would s/he not try to sell it? Conversely, if the novel (whether first, third, or 34th) is - according to their opinion - not marketable or whatever, they wouldn't even pay any attention to you.
If an agent/publisher is interested enough in the novel you submitted to get into business with you, why on earth would s/he not try to sell it? Conversely, if the novel (whether first, third, or 34th) is - according to their opinion - not marketable or whatever, they wouldn't even pay any attention to you.
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Terry's answer aligns with my knowledge, but here's a little more I'd add that is relevant to your question.
Writers I know who have been agented are asked to revise their manuscripts before the manuscript is sent to publishing houses. I believe it was GGX or Galastel that explained: At the query stage you are competing largely with un-agented writers. At the agented stage, you are competing with published authors.
So, the agent may well request rewrites. But you still need a perfect novel going into your query stage.
Some writers I know write the query letter first, as odd as that sounds, because the query letter is what draws eyes to the novel as often as not. Then, with a top notch query in hand (and no constraints because no book exists as yet, except perhaps as concept) the novel is written. It sounds odd, but I've seen it work.
(I'm on my 26th re-write of my first novel. Early rewrites were learning the technical details. Later rewrites had to do with story structure. Later rewrites addressed beta comments. Later rewrites were simply for flow and eloquence or based off of 'craft books' (Manuscript Makeover is a good one.) Current rewrite is following a new craft book dealing with emotional subtext. The idea of emotional subtext was nowhere on my radar in draft 1, or 6, or 9. I have at least two more re-writes in my future: Another beta read, another edit for flow.)
Each to their own, but that "26th re-write" part there reminded me of Synecdoche New York, I must say. It also reminded me of Kenneth Branagh's comment on Shakespearean adaptations: "You don't finish them; you abandon them"
â Digital Dracula
34 mins ago
@DigitalDracula It cracks me up that I am on my 26th rewrite. :-) I can't wait to be on the 35th.
â DPT
24 mins ago
Must have been GGX. I've only managed to publish a couple of short stories in online anthologies so far.
â Galastel
4 mins ago
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up vote
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Terry's answer aligns with my knowledge, but here's a little more I'd add that is relevant to your question.
Writers I know who have been agented are asked to revise their manuscripts before the manuscript is sent to publishing houses. I believe it was GGX or Galastel that explained: At the query stage you are competing largely with un-agented writers. At the agented stage, you are competing with published authors.
So, the agent may well request rewrites. But you still need a perfect novel going into your query stage.
Some writers I know write the query letter first, as odd as that sounds, because the query letter is what draws eyes to the novel as often as not. Then, with a top notch query in hand (and no constraints because no book exists as yet, except perhaps as concept) the novel is written. It sounds odd, but I've seen it work.
(I'm on my 26th re-write of my first novel. Early rewrites were learning the technical details. Later rewrites had to do with story structure. Later rewrites addressed beta comments. Later rewrites were simply for flow and eloquence or based off of 'craft books' (Manuscript Makeover is a good one.) Current rewrite is following a new craft book dealing with emotional subtext. The idea of emotional subtext was nowhere on my radar in draft 1, or 6, or 9. I have at least two more re-writes in my future: Another beta read, another edit for flow.)
Each to their own, but that "26th re-write" part there reminded me of Synecdoche New York, I must say. It also reminded me of Kenneth Branagh's comment on Shakespearean adaptations: "You don't finish them; you abandon them"
â Digital Dracula
34 mins ago
@DigitalDracula It cracks me up that I am on my 26th rewrite. :-) I can't wait to be on the 35th.
â DPT
24 mins ago
Must have been GGX. I've only managed to publish a couple of short stories in online anthologies so far.
â Galastel
4 mins ago
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up vote
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Terry's answer aligns with my knowledge, but here's a little more I'd add that is relevant to your question.
Writers I know who have been agented are asked to revise their manuscripts before the manuscript is sent to publishing houses. I believe it was GGX or Galastel that explained: At the query stage you are competing largely with un-agented writers. At the agented stage, you are competing with published authors.
So, the agent may well request rewrites. But you still need a perfect novel going into your query stage.
Some writers I know write the query letter first, as odd as that sounds, because the query letter is what draws eyes to the novel as often as not. Then, with a top notch query in hand (and no constraints because no book exists as yet, except perhaps as concept) the novel is written. It sounds odd, but I've seen it work.
(I'm on my 26th re-write of my first novel. Early rewrites were learning the technical details. Later rewrites had to do with story structure. Later rewrites addressed beta comments. Later rewrites were simply for flow and eloquence or based off of 'craft books' (Manuscript Makeover is a good one.) Current rewrite is following a new craft book dealing with emotional subtext. The idea of emotional subtext was nowhere on my radar in draft 1, or 6, or 9. I have at least two more re-writes in my future: Another beta read, another edit for flow.)
Terry's answer aligns with my knowledge, but here's a little more I'd add that is relevant to your question.
Writers I know who have been agented are asked to revise their manuscripts before the manuscript is sent to publishing houses. I believe it was GGX or Galastel that explained: At the query stage you are competing largely with un-agented writers. At the agented stage, you are competing with published authors.
So, the agent may well request rewrites. But you still need a perfect novel going into your query stage.
Some writers I know write the query letter first, as odd as that sounds, because the query letter is what draws eyes to the novel as often as not. Then, with a top notch query in hand (and no constraints because no book exists as yet, except perhaps as concept) the novel is written. It sounds odd, but I've seen it work.
(I'm on my 26th re-write of my first novel. Early rewrites were learning the technical details. Later rewrites had to do with story structure. Later rewrites addressed beta comments. Later rewrites were simply for flow and eloquence or based off of 'craft books' (Manuscript Makeover is a good one.) Current rewrite is following a new craft book dealing with emotional subtext. The idea of emotional subtext was nowhere on my radar in draft 1, or 6, or 9. I have at least two more re-writes in my future: Another beta read, another edit for flow.)
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Each to their own, but that "26th re-write" part there reminded me of Synecdoche New York, I must say. It also reminded me of Kenneth Branagh's comment on Shakespearean adaptations: "You don't finish them; you abandon them"
â Digital Dracula
34 mins ago
@DigitalDracula It cracks me up that I am on my 26th rewrite. :-) I can't wait to be on the 35th.
â DPT
24 mins ago
Must have been GGX. I've only managed to publish a couple of short stories in online anthologies so far.
â Galastel
4 mins ago
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Each to their own, but that "26th re-write" part there reminded me of Synecdoche New York, I must say. It also reminded me of Kenneth Branagh's comment on Shakespearean adaptations: "You don't finish them; you abandon them"
â Digital Dracula
34 mins ago
@DigitalDracula It cracks me up that I am on my 26th rewrite. :-) I can't wait to be on the 35th.
â DPT
24 mins ago
Must have been GGX. I've only managed to publish a couple of short stories in online anthologies so far.
â Galastel
4 mins ago
Each to their own, but that "26th re-write" part there reminded me of Synecdoche New York, I must say. It also reminded me of Kenneth Branagh's comment on Shakespearean adaptations: "You don't finish them; you abandon them"
â Digital Dracula
34 mins ago
Each to their own, but that "26th re-write" part there reminded me of Synecdoche New York, I must say. It also reminded me of Kenneth Branagh's comment on Shakespearean adaptations: "You don't finish them; you abandon them"
â Digital Dracula
34 mins ago
@DigitalDracula It cracks me up that I am on my 26th rewrite. :-) I can't wait to be on the 35th.
â DPT
24 mins ago
@DigitalDracula It cracks me up that I am on my 26th rewrite. :-) I can't wait to be on the 35th.
â DPT
24 mins ago
Must have been GGX. I've only managed to publish a couple of short stories in online anthologies so far.
â Galastel
4 mins ago
Must have been GGX. I've only managed to publish a couple of short stories in online anthologies so far.
â Galastel
4 mins ago
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