Why did Kingsley Shacklebolt replace Pius Thicknesse as the Minister for Magic after the war?
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After the end of the second wizarding war (ultimate defeat of Lord Voldemort), why was Kingsley named the new Minister for Magic? I recall that Pius Thicknesse was the Minister for Magic in book 7? Why wasn't he allowed to continue with his tenure as the Minister for Magic? Why was Kingsley chosen to be the new Minister after the war instead?
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After the end of the second wizarding war (ultimate defeat of Lord Voldemort), why was Kingsley named the new Minister for Magic? I recall that Pius Thicknesse was the Minister for Magic in book 7? Why wasn't he allowed to continue with his tenure as the Minister for Magic? Why was Kingsley chosen to be the new Minister after the war instead?
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After the end of the second wizarding war (ultimate defeat of Lord Voldemort), why was Kingsley named the new Minister for Magic? I recall that Pius Thicknesse was the Minister for Magic in book 7? Why wasn't he allowed to continue with his tenure as the Minister for Magic? Why was Kingsley chosen to be the new Minister after the war instead?
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After the end of the second wizarding war (ultimate defeat of Lord Voldemort), why was Kingsley named the new Minister for Magic? I recall that Pius Thicknesse was the Minister for Magic in book 7? Why wasn't he allowed to continue with his tenure as the Minister for Magic? Why was Kingsley chosen to be the new Minister after the war instead?
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It's been said to you before a few times but can you try and use better titles more in line with what you are actually asking. You have decent titles as questions in the post that can easily be made into the title or just use something like what another user has edited in.
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Per Pottermore, Pius Thicknesse was removed from office after it was discovered that he had been under the Imperius Curse for the whole time he'd been Minister for Magic. Shacklebolt then took over as a "caretaker" MfM (while the Death Eaters and Voldemort's other followers were being rounded up) and the subsequent election resulted in his being elected.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
Pottermore: Ministers for Magic By J.K. Rowling
As to why people voted for him, there are a considerable number of points in his favour. He's described as an "Exceptionally skilled duellist and Auror", was a known fighter of Voldemort, was a safe pair of hands (with Ministry experience) to be made MfM pro-tem and was one of the Sacred Twenty-Eight pureblood families.
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From Pottermore:
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
It is not uncommon after the end of a war for war heroes to be elevated to office, by appointment or election, and in this case it was both. It would make sense to appoint an Auror or member of the Order of the Phoenix to the post to put the public's mind at ease. Of the surviving Aurors/Order Members, Kingsley was likely the one most palatable to those making the offer. Kingsley had a great deal of experience, and took a leadership role during the Battle of Hogwarts. Other members either did not want the job, were too injured to perform the necessary duties, or flat out too young.
As for Thicknesse, it's not hard to see why he did not continue. First, he had been compromised; he was a puppet of Voldemort from day one. Even after the Imperius had been lifted, no one would look at him quite the same again. The public would have a very hard time trusting him. He is even omitted from official records as even having the post to begin with, as he was put in place by Voldemort after he had taken over.
Given his disappearance afterwards, even if the post was offered, he would likely refuse. The limelight was the last thing he wanted at that point, and disappeared to live out his life in quiet ignominy.
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Because Pius Thicknesse had been working for Voldemort during the Second Wizarding War.
"All right, all right, we'll have time for a cozy catch-up later," roared Moody over the hubbub, and silence fell in the kitchen. Moody dropped his sacks at his feet and turned to Harry, "As Dedalus probably told you, we had to abandon Plan A. Pius Thicknesse has gone over, which gives us a big problem."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 4: "The Seven Potters", by J.K. Rowling
Of course, he was under the influence of an Imperius Curse.
"My Lord, I have good news on that score. I have — with difficulty,
and after great effort — succeeded in placing an Imperius Curse upon Pius Thicknesse." Many of those sitting around Yaxley looked impressed; his neighbor, Dolohov, a man with a long, twisted face, clapped him on the back.
"It is a start," said Voldemort. "But Thicknesse is only one man. Scrimgeour must be surrounded by our people before I act. One failed attempt on the Minister’s life will set me back a long way."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 1: "The Dark Lord Ascending", by J.K. Rowling
Having a Minister for Magic under the influence of an Imperius Curse is as if the one casting the curse was in office instead – Yaxley, a Death Eater.
So it wasn't really Pius Thicknesse who was Minister for Magic.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
–Pottermore, "Ministers for Magic", by J.K. Rowling
As evidenced by his entry on Pottermore, his term of office is almost considered to not have happened at all.
Besides that, the question would've remained how much of his actions were due to the Imperius Curse, and if that Curse had fully worn off. He wouldn't have had any authority left and would not have been fully trusted.
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Per Pottermore, Pius Thicknesse was removed from office after it was discovered that he had been under the Imperius Curse for the whole time he'd been Minister for Magic. Shacklebolt then took over as a "caretaker" MfM (while the Death Eaters and Voldemort's other followers were being rounded up) and the subsequent election resulted in his being elected.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
Pottermore: Ministers for Magic By J.K. Rowling
As to why people voted for him, there are a considerable number of points in his favour. He's described as an "Exceptionally skilled duellist and Auror", was a known fighter of Voldemort, was a safe pair of hands (with Ministry experience) to be made MfM pro-tem and was one of the Sacred Twenty-Eight pureblood families.
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Per Pottermore, Pius Thicknesse was removed from office after it was discovered that he had been under the Imperius Curse for the whole time he'd been Minister for Magic. Shacklebolt then took over as a "caretaker" MfM (while the Death Eaters and Voldemort's other followers were being rounded up) and the subsequent election resulted in his being elected.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
Pottermore: Ministers for Magic By J.K. Rowling
As to why people voted for him, there are a considerable number of points in his favour. He's described as an "Exceptionally skilled duellist and Auror", was a known fighter of Voldemort, was a safe pair of hands (with Ministry experience) to be made MfM pro-tem and was one of the Sacred Twenty-Eight pureblood families.
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Per Pottermore, Pius Thicknesse was removed from office after it was discovered that he had been under the Imperius Curse for the whole time he'd been Minister for Magic. Shacklebolt then took over as a "caretaker" MfM (while the Death Eaters and Voldemort's other followers were being rounded up) and the subsequent election resulted in his being elected.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
Pottermore: Ministers for Magic By J.K. Rowling
As to why people voted for him, there are a considerable number of points in his favour. He's described as an "Exceptionally skilled duellist and Auror", was a known fighter of Voldemort, was a safe pair of hands (with Ministry experience) to be made MfM pro-tem and was one of the Sacred Twenty-Eight pureblood families.
Per Pottermore, Pius Thicknesse was removed from office after it was discovered that he had been under the Imperius Curse for the whole time he'd been Minister for Magic. Shacklebolt then took over as a "caretaker" MfM (while the Death Eaters and Voldemort's other followers were being rounded up) and the subsequent election resulted in his being elected.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
Pottermore: Ministers for Magic By J.K. Rowling
As to why people voted for him, there are a considerable number of points in his favour. He's described as an "Exceptionally skilled duellist and Auror", was a known fighter of Voldemort, was a safe pair of hands (with Ministry experience) to be made MfM pro-tem and was one of the Sacred Twenty-Eight pureblood families.
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From Pottermore:
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
It is not uncommon after the end of a war for war heroes to be elevated to office, by appointment or election, and in this case it was both. It would make sense to appoint an Auror or member of the Order of the Phoenix to the post to put the public's mind at ease. Of the surviving Aurors/Order Members, Kingsley was likely the one most palatable to those making the offer. Kingsley had a great deal of experience, and took a leadership role during the Battle of Hogwarts. Other members either did not want the job, were too injured to perform the necessary duties, or flat out too young.
As for Thicknesse, it's not hard to see why he did not continue. First, he had been compromised; he was a puppet of Voldemort from day one. Even after the Imperius had been lifted, no one would look at him quite the same again. The public would have a very hard time trusting him. He is even omitted from official records as even having the post to begin with, as he was put in place by Voldemort after he had taken over.
Given his disappearance afterwards, even if the post was offered, he would likely refuse. The limelight was the last thing he wanted at that point, and disappeared to live out his life in quiet ignominy.
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From Pottermore:
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
It is not uncommon after the end of a war for war heroes to be elevated to office, by appointment or election, and in this case it was both. It would make sense to appoint an Auror or member of the Order of the Phoenix to the post to put the public's mind at ease. Of the surviving Aurors/Order Members, Kingsley was likely the one most palatable to those making the offer. Kingsley had a great deal of experience, and took a leadership role during the Battle of Hogwarts. Other members either did not want the job, were too injured to perform the necessary duties, or flat out too young.
As for Thicknesse, it's not hard to see why he did not continue. First, he had been compromised; he was a puppet of Voldemort from day one. Even after the Imperius had been lifted, no one would look at him quite the same again. The public would have a very hard time trusting him. He is even omitted from official records as even having the post to begin with, as he was put in place by Voldemort after he had taken over.
Given his disappearance afterwards, even if the post was offered, he would likely refuse. The limelight was the last thing he wanted at that point, and disappeared to live out his life in quiet ignominy.
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From Pottermore:
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
It is not uncommon after the end of a war for war heroes to be elevated to office, by appointment or election, and in this case it was both. It would make sense to appoint an Auror or member of the Order of the Phoenix to the post to put the public's mind at ease. Of the surviving Aurors/Order Members, Kingsley was likely the one most palatable to those making the offer. Kingsley had a great deal of experience, and took a leadership role during the Battle of Hogwarts. Other members either did not want the job, were too injured to perform the necessary duties, or flat out too young.
As for Thicknesse, it's not hard to see why he did not continue. First, he had been compromised; he was a puppet of Voldemort from day one. Even after the Imperius had been lifted, no one would look at him quite the same again. The public would have a very hard time trusting him. He is even omitted from official records as even having the post to begin with, as he was put in place by Voldemort after he had taken over.
Given his disappearance afterwards, even if the post was offered, he would likely refuse. The limelight was the last thing he wanted at that point, and disappeared to live out his life in quiet ignominy.
From Pottermore:
Kingsley Shacklebolt
1998 - present
Oversaw the capture of Death Eaters and Voldemort supporters following the death of Lord Voldemort. Initially named as ‘caretaker Minister’, Shacklebolt was subsequently elected to the office.
It is not uncommon after the end of a war for war heroes to be elevated to office, by appointment or election, and in this case it was both. It would make sense to appoint an Auror or member of the Order of the Phoenix to the post to put the public's mind at ease. Of the surviving Aurors/Order Members, Kingsley was likely the one most palatable to those making the offer. Kingsley had a great deal of experience, and took a leadership role during the Battle of Hogwarts. Other members either did not want the job, were too injured to perform the necessary duties, or flat out too young.
As for Thicknesse, it's not hard to see why he did not continue. First, he had been compromised; he was a puppet of Voldemort from day one. Even after the Imperius had been lifted, no one would look at him quite the same again. The public would have a very hard time trusting him. He is even omitted from official records as even having the post to begin with, as he was put in place by Voldemort after he had taken over.
Given his disappearance afterwards, even if the post was offered, he would likely refuse. The limelight was the last thing he wanted at that point, and disappeared to live out his life in quiet ignominy.
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Because Pius Thicknesse had been working for Voldemort during the Second Wizarding War.
"All right, all right, we'll have time for a cozy catch-up later," roared Moody over the hubbub, and silence fell in the kitchen. Moody dropped his sacks at his feet and turned to Harry, "As Dedalus probably told you, we had to abandon Plan A. Pius Thicknesse has gone over, which gives us a big problem."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 4: "The Seven Potters", by J.K. Rowling
Of course, he was under the influence of an Imperius Curse.
"My Lord, I have good news on that score. I have — with difficulty,
and after great effort — succeeded in placing an Imperius Curse upon Pius Thicknesse." Many of those sitting around Yaxley looked impressed; his neighbor, Dolohov, a man with a long, twisted face, clapped him on the back.
"It is a start," said Voldemort. "But Thicknesse is only one man. Scrimgeour must be surrounded by our people before I act. One failed attempt on the Minister’s life will set me back a long way."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 1: "The Dark Lord Ascending", by J.K. Rowling
Having a Minister for Magic under the influence of an Imperius Curse is as if the one casting the curse was in office instead – Yaxley, a Death Eater.
So it wasn't really Pius Thicknesse who was Minister for Magic.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
–Pottermore, "Ministers for Magic", by J.K. Rowling
As evidenced by his entry on Pottermore, his term of office is almost considered to not have happened at all.
Besides that, the question would've remained how much of his actions were due to the Imperius Curse, and if that Curse had fully worn off. He wouldn't have had any authority left and would not have been fully trusted.
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Because Pius Thicknesse had been working for Voldemort during the Second Wizarding War.
"All right, all right, we'll have time for a cozy catch-up later," roared Moody over the hubbub, and silence fell in the kitchen. Moody dropped his sacks at his feet and turned to Harry, "As Dedalus probably told you, we had to abandon Plan A. Pius Thicknesse has gone over, which gives us a big problem."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 4: "The Seven Potters", by J.K. Rowling
Of course, he was under the influence of an Imperius Curse.
"My Lord, I have good news on that score. I have — with difficulty,
and after great effort — succeeded in placing an Imperius Curse upon Pius Thicknesse." Many of those sitting around Yaxley looked impressed; his neighbor, Dolohov, a man with a long, twisted face, clapped him on the back.
"It is a start," said Voldemort. "But Thicknesse is only one man. Scrimgeour must be surrounded by our people before I act. One failed attempt on the Minister’s life will set me back a long way."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 1: "The Dark Lord Ascending", by J.K. Rowling
Having a Minister for Magic under the influence of an Imperius Curse is as if the one casting the curse was in office instead – Yaxley, a Death Eater.
So it wasn't really Pius Thicknesse who was Minister for Magic.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
–Pottermore, "Ministers for Magic", by J.K. Rowling
As evidenced by his entry on Pottermore, his term of office is almost considered to not have happened at all.
Besides that, the question would've remained how much of his actions were due to the Imperius Curse, and if that Curse had fully worn off. He wouldn't have had any authority left and would not have been fully trusted.
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Because Pius Thicknesse had been working for Voldemort during the Second Wizarding War.
"All right, all right, we'll have time for a cozy catch-up later," roared Moody over the hubbub, and silence fell in the kitchen. Moody dropped his sacks at his feet and turned to Harry, "As Dedalus probably told you, we had to abandon Plan A. Pius Thicknesse has gone over, which gives us a big problem."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 4: "The Seven Potters", by J.K. Rowling
Of course, he was under the influence of an Imperius Curse.
"My Lord, I have good news on that score. I have — with difficulty,
and after great effort — succeeded in placing an Imperius Curse upon Pius Thicknesse." Many of those sitting around Yaxley looked impressed; his neighbor, Dolohov, a man with a long, twisted face, clapped him on the back.
"It is a start," said Voldemort. "But Thicknesse is only one man. Scrimgeour must be surrounded by our people before I act. One failed attempt on the Minister’s life will set me back a long way."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 1: "The Dark Lord Ascending", by J.K. Rowling
Having a Minister for Magic under the influence of an Imperius Curse is as if the one casting the curse was in office instead – Yaxley, a Death Eater.
So it wasn't really Pius Thicknesse who was Minister for Magic.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
–Pottermore, "Ministers for Magic", by J.K. Rowling
As evidenced by his entry on Pottermore, his term of office is almost considered to not have happened at all.
Besides that, the question would've remained how much of his actions were due to the Imperius Curse, and if that Curse had fully worn off. He wouldn't have had any authority left and would not have been fully trusted.
Because Pius Thicknesse had been working for Voldemort during the Second Wizarding War.
"All right, all right, we'll have time for a cozy catch-up later," roared Moody over the hubbub, and silence fell in the kitchen. Moody dropped his sacks at his feet and turned to Harry, "As Dedalus probably told you, we had to abandon Plan A. Pius Thicknesse has gone over, which gives us a big problem."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 4: "The Seven Potters", by J.K. Rowling
Of course, he was under the influence of an Imperius Curse.
"My Lord, I have good news on that score. I have — with difficulty,
and after great effort — succeeded in placing an Imperius Curse upon Pius Thicknesse." Many of those sitting around Yaxley looked impressed; his neighbor, Dolohov, a man with a long, twisted face, clapped him on the back.
"It is a start," said Voldemort. "But Thicknesse is only one man. Scrimgeour must be surrounded by our people before I act. One failed attempt on the Minister’s life will set me back a long way."
–Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, chapter 1: "The Dark Lord Ascending", by J.K. Rowling
Having a Minister for Magic under the influence of an Imperius Curse is as if the one casting the curse was in office instead – Yaxley, a Death Eater.
So it wasn't really Pius Thicknesse who was Minister for Magic.
Pius Thicknesse
1997 - 1998
Omitted from most official records, as he was under the Imperius Curse for his entire term of office, and unconscious of anything that he was doing.
–Pottermore, "Ministers for Magic", by J.K. Rowling
As evidenced by his entry on Pottermore, his term of office is almost considered to not have happened at all.
Besides that, the question would've remained how much of his actions were due to the Imperius Curse, and if that Curse had fully worn off. He wouldn't have had any authority left and would not have been fully trusted.
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It's been said to you before a few times but can you try and use better titles more in line with what you are actually asking. You have decent titles as questions in the post that can easily be made into the title or just use something like what another user has edited in.
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