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I want to start this by saying that I am very new to D&D as a whole. This is my first campaign and I am playing a Lizardfolk paladin (it works in this story); the problem player is playing a gnome or halfling bard (don't remember).
I think my biggest issue with him is that for example when we fought a Horned Devil, he was saying that we killed the devil because he had looked up the stats and counted the damage - even though the DM said the devil was still alive.
A different time, we were fighting hill giants in a castle and the giants were in a big hall. When we had killed 2 giants and the last 1 was running away, the Bard was arguing that the giant's movement speed should be halved since it was a gargantuan creature moving through a small space. This is one of many examples where he brings up rules when it is an advantage to him.
In general, I also feel like he metagames a lot. We had to charge up a teleportation circle with life force, and he immediately asks who has the most health instead of who would be willing to do it (my character would not agree to help). I have already talked to the DM, and he said he had already talked to the Bard.
My questions:
- Am I overreacting? I am new to D&D, and maybe this is not a big
deal. - If it is a problem, what should I do during the session
when this happens?
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I want to start this by saying that I am very new to D&D as a whole. This is my first campaign and I am playing a Lizardfolk paladin (it works in this story); the problem player is playing a gnome or halfling bard (don't remember).
I think my biggest issue with him is that for example when we fought a Horned Devil, he was saying that we killed the devil because he had looked up the stats and counted the damage - even though the DM said the devil was still alive.
A different time, we were fighting hill giants in a castle and the giants were in a big hall. When we had killed 2 giants and the last 1 was running away, the Bard was arguing that the giant's movement speed should be halved since it was a gargantuan creature moving through a small space. This is one of many examples where he brings up rules when it is an advantage to him.
In general, I also feel like he metagames a lot. We had to charge up a teleportation circle with life force, and he immediately asks who has the most health instead of who would be willing to do it (my character would not agree to help). I have already talked to the DM, and he said he had already talked to the Bard.
My questions:
- Am I overreacting? I am new to D&D, and maybe this is not a big
deal. - If it is a problem, what should I do during the session
when this happens?
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Hi, and Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour when you get a change to find out how things work. No problems about the grammar and and spelling, I've fixed that up for you (in fact, I don't think there were any spelling errors at all). I've also added the problem-players tag, since I'd say the Bard you're describing sounds like a problem player to me. Have fun and hope you enjoy the site!
– NathanS
3 hours ago
The answers below are great and good job on talking to your DM. However, this is not uncommon in the tabletop RPG world sadly. There will often be that one player in the group who is a rules lawyer. They try to get the best out of the rules when it's convenient for them and conveniently forget certain rules when they are inconvenient. (Puffin Forest has an excellent video on these kinds of players but I don't have a link handy)
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I want to start this by saying that I am very new to D&D as a whole. This is my first campaign and I am playing a Lizardfolk paladin (it works in this story); the problem player is playing a gnome or halfling bard (don't remember).
I think my biggest issue with him is that for example when we fought a Horned Devil, he was saying that we killed the devil because he had looked up the stats and counted the damage - even though the DM said the devil was still alive.
A different time, we were fighting hill giants in a castle and the giants were in a big hall. When we had killed 2 giants and the last 1 was running away, the Bard was arguing that the giant's movement speed should be halved since it was a gargantuan creature moving through a small space. This is one of many examples where he brings up rules when it is an advantage to him.
In general, I also feel like he metagames a lot. We had to charge up a teleportation circle with life force, and he immediately asks who has the most health instead of who would be willing to do it (my character would not agree to help). I have already talked to the DM, and he said he had already talked to the Bard.
My questions:
- Am I overreacting? I am new to D&D, and maybe this is not a big
deal. - If it is a problem, what should I do during the session
when this happens?
dnd-5e problem-players players metagaming
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I want to start this by saying that I am very new to D&D as a whole. This is my first campaign and I am playing a Lizardfolk paladin (it works in this story); the problem player is playing a gnome or halfling bard (don't remember).
I think my biggest issue with him is that for example when we fought a Horned Devil, he was saying that we killed the devil because he had looked up the stats and counted the damage - even though the DM said the devil was still alive.
A different time, we were fighting hill giants in a castle and the giants were in a big hall. When we had killed 2 giants and the last 1 was running away, the Bard was arguing that the giant's movement speed should be halved since it was a gargantuan creature moving through a small space. This is one of many examples where he brings up rules when it is an advantage to him.
In general, I also feel like he metagames a lot. We had to charge up a teleportation circle with life force, and he immediately asks who has the most health instead of who would be willing to do it (my character would not agree to help). I have already talked to the DM, and he said he had already talked to the Bard.
My questions:
- Am I overreacting? I am new to D&D, and maybe this is not a big
deal. - If it is a problem, what should I do during the session
when this happens?
dnd-5e problem-players players metagaming
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Hi, and Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour when you get a change to find out how things work. No problems about the grammar and and spelling, I've fixed that up for you (in fact, I don't think there were any spelling errors at all). I've also added the problem-players tag, since I'd say the Bard you're describing sounds like a problem player to me. Have fun and hope you enjoy the site!
– NathanS
3 hours ago
The answers below are great and good job on talking to your DM. However, this is not uncommon in the tabletop RPG world sadly. There will often be that one player in the group who is a rules lawyer. They try to get the best out of the rules when it's convenient for them and conveniently forget certain rules when they are inconvenient. (Puffin Forest has an excellent video on these kinds of players but I don't have a link handy)
– Lux Claridge
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Hi, and Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour when you get a change to find out how things work. No problems about the grammar and and spelling, I've fixed that up for you (in fact, I don't think there were any spelling errors at all). I've also added the problem-players tag, since I'd say the Bard you're describing sounds like a problem player to me. Have fun and hope you enjoy the site!
– NathanS
3 hours ago
The answers below are great and good job on talking to your DM. However, this is not uncommon in the tabletop RPG world sadly. There will often be that one player in the group who is a rules lawyer. They try to get the best out of the rules when it's convenient for them and conveniently forget certain rules when they are inconvenient. (Puffin Forest has an excellent video on these kinds of players but I don't have a link handy)
– Lux Claridge
9 mins ago
1
1
Hi, and Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour when you get a change to find out how things work. No problems about the grammar and and spelling, I've fixed that up for you (in fact, I don't think there were any spelling errors at all). I've also added the problem-players tag, since I'd say the Bard you're describing sounds like a problem player to me. Have fun and hope you enjoy the site!
– NathanS
3 hours ago
Hi, and Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour when you get a change to find out how things work. No problems about the grammar and and spelling, I've fixed that up for you (in fact, I don't think there were any spelling errors at all). I've also added the problem-players tag, since I'd say the Bard you're describing sounds like a problem player to me. Have fun and hope you enjoy the site!
– NathanS
3 hours ago
The answers below are great and good job on talking to your DM. However, this is not uncommon in the tabletop RPG world sadly. There will often be that one player in the group who is a rules lawyer. They try to get the best out of the rules when it's convenient for them and conveniently forget certain rules when they are inconvenient. (Puffin Forest has an excellent video on these kinds of players but I don't have a link handy)
– Lux Claridge
9 mins ago
The answers below are great and good job on talking to your DM. However, this is not uncommon in the tabletop RPG world sadly. There will often be that one player in the group who is a rules lawyer. They try to get the best out of the rules when it's convenient for them and conveniently forget certain rules when they are inconvenient. (Puffin Forest has an excellent video on these kinds of players but I don't have a link handy)
– Lux Claridge
9 mins ago
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Talking to your DM was a wise move
So, from what you're describing, this player of the gnome/halfling Bard character is showing some disruptive behaviours. Looking up stats and arguing with the DM over them is metagaming and is not friendly to the narrative, especially since the DM is free to tweak the stats of any monster they include anyway, and the Bard player might have misremembered damage dealt or forgotten about resistance or something. Regardless, this behaviour also implies to the DM that they are making mistakes, which I would find quite insulting if I were the DM.
It sounds like you've already done the best thing you can by raising your concerns with the DM. Since it sounds like this behaviour is affecting the DM as well as you, hopefully the DM will be as invested in you as resolving this problem, so hopefully your DM should find a way to resolve this with the problem player.
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@Oxtrooo I'm glad you like my answer, but usually it's best to wait a bit longer (people here tend to wait about a day) to accept answers, since questions with accepted answers tend to discourage others from adding their own answers, and someone might come along with an answer you like more than mine (or at least, different insights that might be useful in addition to what I've said, even if you end up accepting my answer again anyway).
– NathanS
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The key word here seems to be "arguing", there is nothing wrong with pointing something out to a DM or asking if a rule applies, but after having done it is up to the DM to decide. The DM is not perfect and may not remember every rule or active spell. However if a player is arguing with the DM, that's an issue but one that can be fixed. It is simple to pull a player aside and discuss behavior, the player may not realize this is inappropriate, however it would be better that the DM do this than you. Although there is no harm with saying something if they start arguing with the DM in the middle of a session.
Asking who has the most HP is not really an issue, it could be better if the player framed it differently, (who's the toughest in the group) instead. It is not unbelievable the characters would know a barbarian has a better chance of surviving an injury than the sorcerer. As long as it is a discussion and not an order it is not a big deal.
answered 3 hours ago
John
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On your second point, I think playing history is relevant. I tend to avoid metagaming to the best of my ability, but I may ask who has the most HP as shorthand because the barb or fighter are most likely to have it opposed to my squishy magic user. On the other hand, someone who consistently metagames is asking this then it's just another example of metagaming imo.
– Lux Claridge
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oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
Talking to your DM was a wise move
So, from what you're describing, this player of the gnome/halfling Bard character is showing some disruptive behaviours. Looking up stats and arguing with the DM over them is metagaming and is not friendly to the narrative, especially since the DM is free to tweak the stats of any monster they include anyway, and the Bard player might have misremembered damage dealt or forgotten about resistance or something. Regardless, this behaviour also implies to the DM that they are making mistakes, which I would find quite insulting if I were the DM.
It sounds like you've already done the best thing you can by raising your concerns with the DM. Since it sounds like this behaviour is affecting the DM as well as you, hopefully the DM will be as invested in you as resolving this problem, so hopefully your DM should find a way to resolve this with the problem player.
answered 3 hours ago
NathanS
15.6k369169
3
@Oxtrooo I'm glad you like my answer, but usually it's best to wait a bit longer (people here tend to wait about a day) to accept answers, since questions with accepted answers tend to discourage others from adding their own answers, and someone might come along with an answer you like more than mine (or at least, different insights that might be useful in addition to what I've said, even if you end up accepting my answer again anyway).
– NathanS
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
Talking to your DM was a wise move
So, from what you're describing, this player of the gnome/halfling Bard character is showing some disruptive behaviours. Looking up stats and arguing with the DM over them is metagaming and is not friendly to the narrative, especially since the DM is free to tweak the stats of any monster they include anyway, and the Bard player might have misremembered damage dealt or forgotten about resistance or something. Regardless, this behaviour also implies to the DM that they are making mistakes, which I would find quite insulting if I were the DM.
It sounds like you've already done the best thing you can by raising your concerns with the DM. Since it sounds like this behaviour is affecting the DM as well as you, hopefully the DM will be as invested in you as resolving this problem, so hopefully your DM should find a way to resolve this with the problem player.
answered 3 hours ago
NathanS
15.6k369169
3
@Oxtrooo I'm glad you like my answer, but usually it's best to wait a bit longer (people here tend to wait about a day) to accept answers, since questions with accepted answers tend to discourage others from adding their own answers, and someone might come along with an answer you like more than mine (or at least, different insights that might be useful in addition to what I've said, even if you end up accepting my answer again anyway).
– NathanS
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
Talking to your DM was a wise move
So, from what you're describing, this player of the gnome/halfling Bard character is showing some disruptive behaviours. Looking up stats and arguing with the DM over them is metagaming and is not friendly to the narrative, especially since the DM is free to tweak the stats of any monster they include anyway, and the Bard player might have misremembered damage dealt or forgotten about resistance or something. Regardless, this behaviour also implies to the DM that they are making mistakes, which I would find quite insulting if I were the DM.
It sounds like you've already done the best thing you can by raising your concerns with the DM. Since it sounds like this behaviour is affecting the DM as well as you, hopefully the DM will be as invested in you as resolving this problem, so hopefully your DM should find a way to resolve this with the problem player.
answered 3 hours ago
NathanS
15.6k369169
Talking to your DM was a wise move
So, from what you're describing, this player of the gnome/halfling Bard character is showing some disruptive behaviours. Looking up stats and arguing with the DM over them is metagaming and is not friendly to the narrative, especially since the DM is free to tweak the stats of any monster they include anyway, and the Bard player might have misremembered damage dealt or forgotten about resistance or something. Regardless, this behaviour also implies to the DM that they are making mistakes, which I would find quite insulting if I were the DM.
It sounds like you've already done the best thing you can by raising your concerns with the DM. Since it sounds like this behaviour is affecting the DM as well as you, hopefully the DM will be as invested in you as resolving this problem, so hopefully your DM should find a way to resolve this with the problem player.
answered 3 hours ago
NathanS
15.6k369169
answered 3 hours ago
NathanS
15.6k369169
answered 3 hours ago
NathanS
15.6k369169
answered 3 hours ago
NathanS
15.6k369169
15.6k369169
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@Oxtrooo I'm glad you like my answer, but usually it's best to wait a bit longer (people here tend to wait about a day) to accept answers, since questions with accepted answers tend to discourage others from adding their own answers, and someone might come along with an answer you like more than mine (or at least, different insights that might be useful in addition to what I've said, even if you end up accepting my answer again anyway).
– NathanS
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
3
@Oxtrooo I'm glad you like my answer, but usually it's best to wait a bit longer (people here tend to wait about a day) to accept answers, since questions with accepted answers tend to discourage others from adding their own answers, and someone might come along with an answer you like more than mine (or at least, different insights that might be useful in addition to what I've said, even if you end up accepting my answer again anyway).
– NathanS
2 hours ago
3
3
@Oxtrooo I'm glad you like my answer, but usually it's best to wait a bit longer (people here tend to wait about a day) to accept answers, since questions with accepted answers tend to discourage others from adding their own answers, and someone might come along with an answer you like more than mine (or at least, different insights that might be useful in addition to what I've said, even if you end up accepting my answer again anyway).
– NathanS
2 hours ago
@Oxtrooo I'm glad you like my answer, but usually it's best to wait a bit longer (people here tend to wait about a day) to accept answers, since questions with accepted answers tend to discourage others from adding their own answers, and someone might come along with an answer you like more than mine (or at least, different insights that might be useful in addition to what I've said, even if you end up accepting my answer again anyway).
– NathanS
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
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The key word here seems to be "arguing", there is nothing wrong with pointing something out to a DM or asking if a rule applies, but after having done it is up to the DM to decide. The DM is not perfect and may not remember every rule or active spell. However if a player is arguing with the DM, that's an issue but one that can be fixed. It is simple to pull a player aside and discuss behavior, the player may not realize this is inappropriate, however it would be better that the DM do this than you. Although there is no harm with saying something if they start arguing with the DM in the middle of a session.
Asking who has the most HP is not really an issue, it could be better if the player framed it differently, (who's the toughest in the group) instead. It is not unbelievable the characters would know a barbarian has a better chance of surviving an injury than the sorcerer. As long as it is a discussion and not an order it is not a big deal.
answered 3 hours ago
John
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On your second point, I think playing history is relevant. I tend to avoid metagaming to the best of my ability, but I may ask who has the most HP as shorthand because the barb or fighter are most likely to have it opposed to my squishy magic user. On the other hand, someone who consistently metagames is asking this then it's just another example of metagaming imo.
– Lux Claridge
16 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
The key word here seems to be "arguing", there is nothing wrong with pointing something out to a DM or asking if a rule applies, but after having done it is up to the DM to decide. The DM is not perfect and may not remember every rule or active spell. However if a player is arguing with the DM, that's an issue but one that can be fixed. It is simple to pull a player aside and discuss behavior, the player may not realize this is inappropriate, however it would be better that the DM do this than you. Although there is no harm with saying something if they start arguing with the DM in the middle of a session.
Asking who has the most HP is not really an issue, it could be better if the player framed it differently, (who's the toughest in the group) instead. It is not unbelievable the characters would know a barbarian has a better chance of surviving an injury than the sorcerer. As long as it is a discussion and not an order it is not a big deal.
answered 3 hours ago
John
1,8092410
On your second point, I think playing history is relevant. I tend to avoid metagaming to the best of my ability, but I may ask who has the most HP as shorthand because the barb or fighter are most likely to have it opposed to my squishy magic user. On the other hand, someone who consistently metagames is asking this then it's just another example of metagaming imo.
– Lux Claridge
16 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
up vote
5
down vote
The key word here seems to be "arguing", there is nothing wrong with pointing something out to a DM or asking if a rule applies, but after having done it is up to the DM to decide. The DM is not perfect and may not remember every rule or active spell. However if a player is arguing with the DM, that's an issue but one that can be fixed. It is simple to pull a player aside and discuss behavior, the player may not realize this is inappropriate, however it would be better that the DM do this than you. Although there is no harm with saying something if they start arguing with the DM in the middle of a session.
Asking who has the most HP is not really an issue, it could be better if the player framed it differently, (who's the toughest in the group) instead. It is not unbelievable the characters would know a barbarian has a better chance of surviving an injury than the sorcerer. As long as it is a discussion and not an order it is not a big deal.
answered 3 hours ago
John
1,8092410
The key word here seems to be "arguing", there is nothing wrong with pointing something out to a DM or asking if a rule applies, but after having done it is up to the DM to decide. The DM is not perfect and may not remember every rule or active spell. However if a player is arguing with the DM, that's an issue but one that can be fixed. It is simple to pull a player aside and discuss behavior, the player may not realize this is inappropriate, however it would be better that the DM do this than you. Although there is no harm with saying something if they start arguing with the DM in the middle of a session.
Asking who has the most HP is not really an issue, it could be better if the player framed it differently, (who's the toughest in the group) instead. It is not unbelievable the characters would know a barbarian has a better chance of surviving an injury than the sorcerer. As long as it is a discussion and not an order it is not a big deal.
answered 3 hours ago
John
1,8092410
answered 3 hours ago
John
1,8092410
answered 3 hours ago
John
1,8092410
answered 3 hours ago
John
1,8092410
1,8092410
On your second point, I think playing history is relevant. I tend to avoid metagaming to the best of my ability, but I may ask who has the most HP as shorthand because the barb or fighter are most likely to have it opposed to my squishy magic user. On the other hand, someone who consistently metagames is asking this then it's just another example of metagaming imo.
– Lux Claridge
16 mins ago
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On your second point, I think playing history is relevant. I tend to avoid metagaming to the best of my ability, but I may ask who has the most HP as shorthand because the barb or fighter are most likely to have it opposed to my squishy magic user. On the other hand, someone who consistently metagames is asking this then it's just another example of metagaming imo.
– Lux Claridge
16 mins ago
On your second point, I think playing history is relevant. I tend to avoid metagaming to the best of my ability, but I may ask who has the most HP as shorthand because the barb or fighter are most likely to have it opposed to my squishy magic user. On the other hand, someone who consistently metagames is asking this then it's just another example of metagaming imo.
– Lux Claridge
16 mins ago
On your second point, I think playing history is relevant. I tend to avoid metagaming to the best of my ability, but I may ask who has the most HP as shorthand because the barb or fighter are most likely to have it opposed to my squishy magic user. On the other hand, someone who consistently metagames is asking this then it's just another example of metagaming imo.
– Lux Claridge
16 mins ago
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Hi, and Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour when you get a change to find out how things work. No problems about the grammar and and spelling, I've fixed that up for you (in fact, I don't think there were any spelling errors at all). I've also added the problem-players tag, since I'd say the Bard you're describing sounds like a problem player to me. Have fun and hope you enjoy the site!
– NathanS
3 hours ago
The answers below are great and good job on talking to your DM. However, this is not uncommon in the tabletop RPG world sadly. There will often be that one player in the group who is a rules lawyer. They try to get the best out of the rules when it's convenient for them and conveniently forget certain rules when they are inconvenient. (Puffin Forest has an excellent video on these kinds of players but I don't have a link handy)
– Lux Claridge
9 mins ago