Mixing
Can a cloned creature flip into a planewalker?
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
Suppose my opponent has Nicol Bolas, the Ravager on the battlefield, and has not yet flipped it into a Planewalker.
I cast Clone, making my own copy of Nicol Bolas.
What happens if I activate my cloned Nicol Bolas' ability? What would happen if the ability were phrased differently, such that it doesn't require the creature to leave the battlefield and re-enter?
magic-the-gathering mtg-double-faced-cards
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
Suppose my opponent has Nicol Bolas, the Ravager on the battlefield, and has not yet flipped it into a Planewalker.
I cast Clone, making my own copy of Nicol Bolas.
What happens if I activate my cloned Nicol Bolas' ability? What would happen if the ability were phrased differently, such that it doesn't require the creature to leave the battlefield and re-enter?
magic-the-gathering mtg-double-faced-cards
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
Duplicate of boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/42680/…. I had voted to close as a different duplicate, but re-opened when I noticed the difference. Now I can't close again.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
To be specific, this question is about a double-faced card being a copy of a flip-walker, while this one is about a single-faced card (like Clone).
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
I would suggest to leave this open, because in my answer I also correct the usage of "flipped".
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
Suppose my opponent has Nicol Bolas, the Ravager on the battlefield, and has not yet flipped it into a Planewalker.
I cast Clone, making my own copy of Nicol Bolas.
What happens if I activate my cloned Nicol Bolas' ability? What would happen if the ability were phrased differently, such that it doesn't require the creature to leave the battlefield and re-enter?
magic-the-gathering mtg-double-faced-cards
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
Suppose my opponent has Nicol Bolas, the Ravager on the battlefield, and has not yet flipped it into a Planewalker.
I cast Clone, making my own copy of Nicol Bolas.
What happens if I activate my cloned Nicol Bolas' ability? What would happen if the ability were phrased differently, such that it doesn't require the creature to leave the battlefield and re-enter?
magic-the-gathering mtg-double-faced-cards
magic-the-gathering mtg-double-faced-cards
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
edited 1 hour ago
doppelgreener
14.6k850113
14.6k850113
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
asked 2 hours ago
Woodrow Barlow
1314
1314
Duplicate of boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/42680/…. I had voted to close as a different duplicate, but re-opened when I noticed the difference. Now I can't close again.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
To be specific, this question is about a double-faced card being a copy of a flip-walker, while this one is about a single-faced card (like Clone).
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
I would suggest to leave this open, because in my answer I also correct the usage of "flipped".
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
Duplicate of boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/42680/…. I had voted to close as a different duplicate, but re-opened when I noticed the difference. Now I can't close again.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
To be specific, this question is about a double-faced card being a copy of a flip-walker, while this one is about a single-faced card (like Clone).
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
I would suggest to leave this open, because in my answer I also correct the usage of "flipped".
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
Duplicate of boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/42680/…. I had voted to close as a different duplicate, but re-opened when I noticed the difference. Now I can't close again.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
Duplicate of boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/42680/…. I had voted to close as a different duplicate, but re-opened when I noticed the difference. Now I can't close again.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
To be specific, this question is about a double-faced card being a copy of a flip-walker, while this one is about a single-faced card (like Clone).
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
To be specific, this question is about a double-faced card being a copy of a flip-walker, while this one is about a single-faced card (like Clone).
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
I would suggest to leave this open, because in my answer I also correct the usage of "flipped".
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
I would suggest to leave this open, because in my answer I also correct the usage of "flipped".
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
up vote
4
down vote
No, a Clone'd creature cannot transform because Clone is not a double-faced card, even though it copies one face of a double-faced card. If you activate the ability, the Clone will be exiled and stay in exile.
First of all, to flip a card has its own meaning in Magic. Nicol Bolas, the Ravager transforms into a planeswalker.
110.6. A permanent’s status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.
Second, no, a Clone copy of Nicol Bolas, the Ravager cannot transform into anything, even if you didn't have to exile the Clone:
711.1. A double-faced card has a Magic card face on each side rather than a Magic card face on one side and a Magic card back on the other. Each face may have abilities that allow the card to “transform,†or turn over to its other face. Tokens and cards with a Magic card back can’t transform. (See rule 701.27, “Transform.â€Â)
701.27c If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform a permanent that isn’t represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens.
You can activate the Clone'd Nicol Bolas' ability and follow the instructions. You exile the Clone, but it will not return to the battlefield, it will stay in exile:
711.8a If a player is instructed to put a card that isn’t a double-faced card onto the battlefield transformed, that card stays in its current zone.
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
The last part is incorrect, see 711.8a. The Clone will stay in Exile; it won't return.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
@GendoIkari Thanks, fixed
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
4
down vote
No, a Clone'd creature cannot transform because Clone is not a double-faced card, even though it copies one face of a double-faced card. If you activate the ability, the Clone will be exiled and stay in exile.
First of all, to flip a card has its own meaning in Magic. Nicol Bolas, the Ravager transforms into a planeswalker.
110.6. A permanent’s status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.
Second, no, a Clone copy of Nicol Bolas, the Ravager cannot transform into anything, even if you didn't have to exile the Clone:
711.1. A double-faced card has a Magic card face on each side rather than a Magic card face on one side and a Magic card back on the other. Each face may have abilities that allow the card to “transform,†or turn over to its other face. Tokens and cards with a Magic card back can’t transform. (See rule 701.27, “Transform.â€Â)
701.27c If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform a permanent that isn’t represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens.
You can activate the Clone'd Nicol Bolas' ability and follow the instructions. You exile the Clone, but it will not return to the battlefield, it will stay in exile:
711.8a If a player is instructed to put a card that isn’t a double-faced card onto the battlefield transformed, that card stays in its current zone.
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
The last part is incorrect, see 711.8a. The Clone will stay in Exile; it won't return.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
@GendoIkari Thanks, fixed
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
No, a Clone'd creature cannot transform because Clone is not a double-faced card, even though it copies one face of a double-faced card. If you activate the ability, the Clone will be exiled and stay in exile.
First of all, to flip a card has its own meaning in Magic. Nicol Bolas, the Ravager transforms into a planeswalker.
110.6. A permanent’s status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.
Second, no, a Clone copy of Nicol Bolas, the Ravager cannot transform into anything, even if you didn't have to exile the Clone:
711.1. A double-faced card has a Magic card face on each side rather than a Magic card face on one side and a Magic card back on the other. Each face may have abilities that allow the card to “transform,†or turn over to its other face. Tokens and cards with a Magic card back can’t transform. (See rule 701.27, “Transform.â€Â)
701.27c If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform a permanent that isn’t represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens.
You can activate the Clone'd Nicol Bolas' ability and follow the instructions. You exile the Clone, but it will not return to the battlefield, it will stay in exile:
711.8a If a player is instructed to put a card that isn’t a double-faced card onto the battlefield transformed, that card stays in its current zone.
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
The last part is incorrect, see 711.8a. The Clone will stay in Exile; it won't return.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
@GendoIkari Thanks, fixed
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
No, a Clone'd creature cannot transform because Clone is not a double-faced card, even though it copies one face of a double-faced card. If you activate the ability, the Clone will be exiled and stay in exile.
First of all, to flip a card has its own meaning in Magic. Nicol Bolas, the Ravager transforms into a planeswalker.
110.6. A permanent’s status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.
Second, no, a Clone copy of Nicol Bolas, the Ravager cannot transform into anything, even if you didn't have to exile the Clone:
711.1. A double-faced card has a Magic card face on each side rather than a Magic card face on one side and a Magic card back on the other. Each face may have abilities that allow the card to “transform,†or turn over to its other face. Tokens and cards with a Magic card back can’t transform. (See rule 701.27, “Transform.â€Â)
701.27c If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform a permanent that isn’t represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens.
You can activate the Clone'd Nicol Bolas' ability and follow the instructions. You exile the Clone, but it will not return to the battlefield, it will stay in exile:
711.8a If a player is instructed to put a card that isn’t a double-faced card onto the battlefield transformed, that card stays in its current zone.
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
No, a Clone'd creature cannot transform because Clone is not a double-faced card, even though it copies one face of a double-faced card. If you activate the ability, the Clone will be exiled and stay in exile.
First of all, to flip a card has its own meaning in Magic. Nicol Bolas, the Ravager transforms into a planeswalker.
110.6. A permanent’s status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.
Second, no, a Clone copy of Nicol Bolas, the Ravager cannot transform into anything, even if you didn't have to exile the Clone:
711.1. A double-faced card has a Magic card face on each side rather than a Magic card face on one side and a Magic card back on the other. Each face may have abilities that allow the card to “transform,†or turn over to its other face. Tokens and cards with a Magic card back can’t transform. (See rule 701.27, “Transform.â€Â)
701.27c If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform a permanent that isn’t represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens.
You can activate the Clone'd Nicol Bolas' ability and follow the instructions. You exile the Clone, but it will not return to the battlefield, it will stay in exile:
711.8a If a player is instructed to put a card that isn’t a double-faced card onto the battlefield transformed, that card stays in its current zone.
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
edited 1 hour ago
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
answered 2 hours ago
Hackworth
22.7k258106
22.7k258106
The last part is incorrect, see 711.8a. The Clone will stay in Exile; it won't return.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
@GendoIkari Thanks, fixed
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
The last part is incorrect, see 711.8a. The Clone will stay in Exile; it won't return.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
@GendoIkari Thanks, fixed
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
The last part is incorrect, see 711.8a. The Clone will stay in Exile; it won't return.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
The last part is incorrect, see 711.8a. The Clone will stay in Exile; it won't return.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
@GendoIkari Thanks, fixed
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
@GendoIkari Thanks, fixed
– Hackworth
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fboardgames.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f43474%2fcan-a-cloned-creature-flip-into-a-planewalker%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Duplicate of boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/42680/…. I had voted to close as a different duplicate, but re-opened when I noticed the difference. Now I can't close again.
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
To be specific, this question is about a double-faced card being a copy of a flip-walker, while this one is about a single-faced card (like Clone).
– GendoIkari
1 hour ago
I would suggest to leave this open, because in my answer I also correct the usage of "flipped".
– Hackworth
1 hour ago