Does learning a spell through the Magic Initiate feat allow me to cast that spell from a spell scroll?

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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.



Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.



Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?






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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.



Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.



Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?






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  • Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.



Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.



Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?






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Bob the Fighter takes the Magic Initiate feat and selects hex as his once-per-day spell given by the feat.



Bob later finds a Spell Scroll of hex.



Can Bob use that spell scroll, or not?






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  • Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
    – Rubiksmoose
    59 mins ago










  • Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
    – Gael L
    49 mins ago

















  • Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
    – Rubiksmoose
    59 mins ago










  • Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
    – Gael L
    49 mins ago
















Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
– Rubiksmoose
59 mins ago




Is Bob an Eldritch Knight?
– Rubiksmoose
59 mins ago












Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
– Gael L
49 mins ago





Nah, Bob's a cheeky ol' Champion.
– Gael L
49 mins ago











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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll



To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell 




The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.




You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level. 







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  • You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
    – GreySage
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  • @GreySage good point. Added
    – David Coffron
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  • This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
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Bob does not have a spell list



As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)




The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from another class's spell list:



From PHB, pg. 168:




Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.



In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]




Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.



Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.





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  • Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
    – Davo
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  • @Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
    – David Coffron
    19 mins ago










  • Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
    – Davo
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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll



To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell 




The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.




You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level. 







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  • You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
    – GreySage
    1 hour ago










  • @GreySage good point. Added
    – David Coffron
    1 hour ago










  • This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
    – Xanthir
    37 mins ago














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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll



To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell 




The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.




You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level. 







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  • You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
    – GreySage
    1 hour ago










  • @GreySage good point. Added
    – David Coffron
    1 hour ago










  • This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
    – Xanthir
    37 mins ago












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up vote
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No, Bob can't use that spell scroll



To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell 




The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.




You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level. 







share|improve this answer














No, Bob can't use that spell scroll



To cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list. Bob does not have hex on his spell list.




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell 




The spell you learn from Magic Initiate is not added to a spell list. It gives you an alternative method to cast spells separate from Spellcasting and similar features.




You learn that [1st-level] spell and can cast it at its lowest level. 








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  • You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
    – GreySage
    1 hour ago










  • @GreySage good point. Added
    – David Coffron
    1 hour ago










  • This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
    – Xanthir
    37 mins ago
















  • You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
    – GreySage
    1 hour ago










  • @GreySage good point. Added
    – David Coffron
    1 hour ago










  • This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
    – Xanthir
    37 mins ago















You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
1 hour ago




You might want to include that the feat doesn't say the spells are added to your list, only that you can cast them.
– GreySage
1 hour ago












@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
1 hour ago




@GreySage good point. Added
– David Coffron
1 hour ago












This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
37 mins ago




This is a correct RAW reading, and is concordant with Sage's answers to similar questions. That said, I'd absolutely allow it, as it seems silly not to. ^_^
– Xanthir
37 mins ago












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1
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Bob does not have a spell list



As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)




The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from another class's spell list:



From PHB, pg. 168:




Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.



In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]




Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.



Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.





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  • Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
    – Davo
    52 mins ago










  • @Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
    – David Coffron
    19 mins ago










  • Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
    – Davo
    6 mins ago















up vote
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down vote













Bob does not have a spell list



As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)




The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from another class's spell list:



From PHB, pg. 168:




Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.



In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]




Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.



Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.





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  • Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
    – Davo
    52 mins ago










  • @Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
    – David Coffron
    19 mins ago










  • Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
    – Davo
    6 mins ago













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up vote
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Bob does not have a spell list



As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)




The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from another class's spell list:



From PHB, pg. 168:




Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.



In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]




Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.



Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.





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Bob does not have a spell list



As DavidCoffron points out, "to cast a spell from a spell scroll, it must be on your class spell list."




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell [...] (DMG, pg. 200)




The Magic Initiate feat does not grant a spell list to a non-spellcasting class. It simply provides access to a spell (and two cantrips) from another class's spell list:



From PHB, pg. 168:




Choose a class: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list.



In addition, choose one 1st-level spell from that same list. [...]




Nowhere does it say that you have a spell list now, since that's tied to classes; you simply have the cantrips and spell that you pick.



Caveat: This is assuming that Bob the Fighter doesn't choose the Eldritch Knight archetype, since that would give him access to the Wizard's spell list, which is effectively the Eldritch Knight's spell list. Of course, hex is not on the Wizard's spell list, so Magic Initiate still doesn't give you the ability to cast hex from a scroll.






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  • Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
    – Davo
    52 mins ago










  • @Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
    – David Coffron
    19 mins ago










  • Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
    – Davo
    6 mins ago

















  • Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
    – Davo
    52 mins ago










  • @Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
    – David Coffron
    19 mins ago










  • Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
    – Davo
    6 mins ago
















Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
52 mins ago




Also, I don't see any RAW reason why, for example, a human Warlock can't take magic initiate to get an additional once-per-day Warlock spell, plus two more cantrips. Another class's spell list is not required. You get a spell from that class's spell list. Correct?
– Davo
52 mins ago












@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
19 mins ago




@Davo Wizards of the Coast's official rules clarification document, Sage Advice clarifies that you can take Magic Initiate for a class you have levels in. For a more detailed answer you should ask the question in its own post.
– David Coffron
19 mins ago












Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
– Davo
6 mins ago





Thanks, no question other than questioning @NathanS's text indicating that Magic Initiate only allows cantrips and spells from another class's spell list. I edited the answer for clarity.
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