silence package leads to an error if the hyperref's pdftitle option contains a blackboard bold math letter

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If the hyperref's pdftitle option contains a blackboard bold math letter, the silence package leads to the error (compilation silently stops after (./test.out) and a Ctrl+C is needed):




! Interruption.
sl@StoreMessage ...oveGobbletwo #1sl@Terminator
@gobbletwo sl@Terminator...
l.11 hypersetup{pdftitle=$mathbbA$




MCE pointing out the trouble:



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


Do you know why and how make all of this compatible?










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  • Why do you try to set the pdftitle to something that doesn't even make it to the PDF?
    – TeXnician
    2 hours ago







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    The $mathbbZ$ will not survive all the way through hyperref's cleaning mechanism and only the Z will be inserted in the pdf title. If you can change to XeTeX or LuaTeX then you can use just ℤ. And apparently the silence package leads to an infinite loop, then you need Ctrl+C to exit it.
    – Phelype Oleinik
    2 hours ago














up vote
3
down vote

favorite












If the hyperref's pdftitle option contains a blackboard bold math letter, the silence package leads to the error (compilation silently stops after (./test.out) and a Ctrl+C is needed):




! Interruption.
sl@StoreMessage ...oveGobbletwo #1sl@Terminator
@gobbletwo sl@Terminator...
l.11 hypersetup{pdftitle=$mathbbA$




MCE pointing out the trouble:



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


Do you know why and how make all of this compatible?










share|improve this question





















  • Why do you try to set the pdftitle to something that doesn't even make it to the PDF?
    – TeXnician
    2 hours ago







  • 2




    The $mathbbZ$ will not survive all the way through hyperref's cleaning mechanism and only the Z will be inserted in the pdf title. If you can change to XeTeX or LuaTeX then you can use just ℤ. And apparently the silence package leads to an infinite loop, then you need Ctrl+C to exit it.
    – Phelype Oleinik
    2 hours ago












up vote
3
down vote

favorite









up vote
3
down vote

favorite











If the hyperref's pdftitle option contains a blackboard bold math letter, the silence package leads to the error (compilation silently stops after (./test.out) and a Ctrl+C is needed):




! Interruption.
sl@StoreMessage ...oveGobbletwo #1sl@Terminator
@gobbletwo sl@Terminator...
l.11 hypersetup{pdftitle=$mathbbA$




MCE pointing out the trouble:



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


Do you know why and how make all of this compatible?










share|improve this question













If the hyperref's pdftitle option contains a blackboard bold math letter, the silence package leads to the error (compilation silently stops after (./test.out) and a Ctrl+C is needed):




! Interruption.
sl@StoreMessage ...oveGobbletwo #1sl@Terminator
@gobbletwo sl@Terminator...
l.11 hypersetup{pdftitle=$mathbbA$




MCE pointing out the trouble:



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


Do you know why and how make all of this compatible?







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  • Why do you try to set the pdftitle to something that doesn't even make it to the PDF?
    – TeXnician
    2 hours ago







  • 2




    The $mathbbZ$ will not survive all the way through hyperref's cleaning mechanism and only the Z will be inserted in the pdf title. If you can change to XeTeX or LuaTeX then you can use just ℤ. And apparently the silence package leads to an infinite loop, then you need Ctrl+C to exit it.
    – Phelype Oleinik
    2 hours ago
















  • Why do you try to set the pdftitle to something that doesn't even make it to the PDF?
    – TeXnician
    2 hours ago







  • 2




    The $mathbbZ$ will not survive all the way through hyperref's cleaning mechanism and only the Z will be inserted in the pdf title. If you can change to XeTeX or LuaTeX then you can use just ℤ. And apparently the silence package leads to an infinite loop, then you need Ctrl+C to exit it.
    – Phelype Oleinik
    2 hours ago















Why do you try to set the pdftitle to something that doesn't even make it to the PDF?
– TeXnician
2 hours ago





Why do you try to set the pdftitle to something that doesn't even make it to the PDF?
– TeXnician
2 hours ago





2




2




The $mathbbZ$ will not survive all the way through hyperref's cleaning mechanism and only the Z will be inserted in the pdf title. If you can change to XeTeX or LuaTeX then you can use just ℤ. And apparently the silence package leads to an infinite loop, then you need Ctrl+C to exit it.
– Phelype Oleinik
2 hours ago




The $mathbbZ$ will not survive all the way through hyperref's cleaning mechanism and only the Z will be inserted in the pdf title. If you can change to XeTeX or LuaTeX then you can use just ℤ. And apparently the silence package leads to an infinite loop, then you need Ctrl+C to exit it.
– Phelype Oleinik
2 hours ago










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The behaviour you see is due to a collection of unfortunate bad interactions between silence, hyperref, and mathbb.



First, let us know that mathbb is not expandable, so



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
begindocument
edeftempa$mathbbZ$
enddocument


throws an error. If you add usepackagesilence or even usepackage[safe]silence, it chokes with the code above (I don't think it should, but...). But you are using a primitive edef with a non expandable command, so the outcome is really low level, and I think it's out of the scope of a silence package to cope with this.



Yes, but what does pdftitle has to do with edef?



pdftitle eventually uses pdfstringdef to turn the TeX command into a valid pdf string and issue a warning like



Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


when an invalid token is found. Somewhere in the way pdfstringdef does something along the lines of



xdef@pdftitle#1


where #1 is the $mathbbZ$, and we already saw that this doesn't work even without hyperref or silence, so we can't expect it to work now.



hyperref, however, is clever enough to make unexpandable things expandable handing it to xdef, so if you do



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


you get a pdf with title Z and two warnings:



ackage hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.

Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


because of the $ that are unexpandable as well.



If you try to add silence though, it chokes as before leading to the behaviour you found.



If you want to keep this setup, then you can load silence with the safe option or issue SafeMode before the hypersetup. You can call BoldMode later on to return to normal.



This will, however, result in a pdf titled mathbb allowed only in math modeZ and three extra warnings similar to the ones above. mathbb cannnot be used in text mode, and the pdf title is, in essence, text.



The actual answer



You can, however, get the ℤ in the pdf title without the need to resort to math-mode. According to out local pdf expert you can directly use ℤ as long as you load hyperref with the right options:



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackage[
pdfencoding=auto,% or unicode
psdextra,
]hyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=ℤ
enddocument


or, the obscure way, with



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=3763774144
enddocument


with or without the error-obfuscating silence package.






share|improve this answer




















  • Wow! Very nice. And I incidentally discovered the hyperref's psdextra option (which isn't documented AFAICS).
    – Denis Bitouzé
    5 mins ago

















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This comes from mathbb expansion inside famous pdfstringdef.



The following works for me.



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
makeatletter
pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo
makeatother
begindocument

hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument



The explanation is that hyperref does let GenericError @gobblefour for pdfstringdef. But silence package redefines @latex@error, which originally used this GenericError. Now it doesn't hence the expansion of mathbb (which causes execution of @latex@error because not in math mode) causes havoc.



By doing



pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo


one works around this problem.






share|improve this answer






















  • Nice caving expedition! Maybe I should not rely on silence package anymore, as it seems to not be maintained.
    – Denis Bitouzé
    3 mins ago










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The behaviour you see is due to a collection of unfortunate bad interactions between silence, hyperref, and mathbb.



First, let us know that mathbb is not expandable, so



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
begindocument
edeftempa$mathbbZ$
enddocument


throws an error. If you add usepackagesilence or even usepackage[safe]silence, it chokes with the code above (I don't think it should, but...). But you are using a primitive edef with a non expandable command, so the outcome is really low level, and I think it's out of the scope of a silence package to cope with this.



Yes, but what does pdftitle has to do with edef?



pdftitle eventually uses pdfstringdef to turn the TeX command into a valid pdf string and issue a warning like



Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


when an invalid token is found. Somewhere in the way pdfstringdef does something along the lines of



xdef@pdftitle#1


where #1 is the $mathbbZ$, and we already saw that this doesn't work even without hyperref or silence, so we can't expect it to work now.



hyperref, however, is clever enough to make unexpandable things expandable handing it to xdef, so if you do



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


you get a pdf with title Z and two warnings:



ackage hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.

Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


because of the $ that are unexpandable as well.



If you try to add silence though, it chokes as before leading to the behaviour you found.



If you want to keep this setup, then you can load silence with the safe option or issue SafeMode before the hypersetup. You can call BoldMode later on to return to normal.



This will, however, result in a pdf titled mathbb allowed only in math modeZ and three extra warnings similar to the ones above. mathbb cannnot be used in text mode, and the pdf title is, in essence, text.



The actual answer



You can, however, get the ℤ in the pdf title without the need to resort to math-mode. According to out local pdf expert you can directly use ℤ as long as you load hyperref with the right options:



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackage[
pdfencoding=auto,% or unicode
psdextra,
]hyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=ℤ
enddocument


or, the obscure way, with



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=3763774144
enddocument


with or without the error-obfuscating silence package.






share|improve this answer




















  • Wow! Very nice. And I incidentally discovered the hyperref's psdextra option (which isn't documented AFAICS).
    – Denis Bitouzé
    5 mins ago














up vote
3
down vote



accepted










The behaviour you see is due to a collection of unfortunate bad interactions between silence, hyperref, and mathbb.



First, let us know that mathbb is not expandable, so



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
begindocument
edeftempa$mathbbZ$
enddocument


throws an error. If you add usepackagesilence or even usepackage[safe]silence, it chokes with the code above (I don't think it should, but...). But you are using a primitive edef with a non expandable command, so the outcome is really low level, and I think it's out of the scope of a silence package to cope with this.



Yes, but what does pdftitle has to do with edef?



pdftitle eventually uses pdfstringdef to turn the TeX command into a valid pdf string and issue a warning like



Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


when an invalid token is found. Somewhere in the way pdfstringdef does something along the lines of



xdef@pdftitle#1


where #1 is the $mathbbZ$, and we already saw that this doesn't work even without hyperref or silence, so we can't expect it to work now.



hyperref, however, is clever enough to make unexpandable things expandable handing it to xdef, so if you do



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


you get a pdf with title Z and two warnings:



ackage hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.

Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


because of the $ that are unexpandable as well.



If you try to add silence though, it chokes as before leading to the behaviour you found.



If you want to keep this setup, then you can load silence with the safe option or issue SafeMode before the hypersetup. You can call BoldMode later on to return to normal.



This will, however, result in a pdf titled mathbb allowed only in math modeZ and three extra warnings similar to the ones above. mathbb cannnot be used in text mode, and the pdf title is, in essence, text.



The actual answer



You can, however, get the ℤ in the pdf title without the need to resort to math-mode. According to out local pdf expert you can directly use ℤ as long as you load hyperref with the right options:



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackage[
pdfencoding=auto,% or unicode
psdextra,
]hyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=ℤ
enddocument


or, the obscure way, with



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=3763774144
enddocument


with or without the error-obfuscating silence package.






share|improve this answer




















  • Wow! Very nice. And I incidentally discovered the hyperref's psdextra option (which isn't documented AFAICS).
    – Denis Bitouzé
    5 mins ago












up vote
3
down vote



accepted







up vote
3
down vote



accepted






The behaviour you see is due to a collection of unfortunate bad interactions between silence, hyperref, and mathbb.



First, let us know that mathbb is not expandable, so



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
begindocument
edeftempa$mathbbZ$
enddocument


throws an error. If you add usepackagesilence or even usepackage[safe]silence, it chokes with the code above (I don't think it should, but...). But you are using a primitive edef with a non expandable command, so the outcome is really low level, and I think it's out of the scope of a silence package to cope with this.



Yes, but what does pdftitle has to do with edef?



pdftitle eventually uses pdfstringdef to turn the TeX command into a valid pdf string and issue a warning like



Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


when an invalid token is found. Somewhere in the way pdfstringdef does something along the lines of



xdef@pdftitle#1


where #1 is the $mathbbZ$, and we already saw that this doesn't work even without hyperref or silence, so we can't expect it to work now.



hyperref, however, is clever enough to make unexpandable things expandable handing it to xdef, so if you do



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


you get a pdf with title Z and two warnings:



ackage hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.

Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


because of the $ that are unexpandable as well.



If you try to add silence though, it chokes as before leading to the behaviour you found.



If you want to keep this setup, then you can load silence with the safe option or issue SafeMode before the hypersetup. You can call BoldMode later on to return to normal.



This will, however, result in a pdf titled mathbb allowed only in math modeZ and three extra warnings similar to the ones above. mathbb cannnot be used in text mode, and the pdf title is, in essence, text.



The actual answer



You can, however, get the ℤ in the pdf title without the need to resort to math-mode. According to out local pdf expert you can directly use ℤ as long as you load hyperref with the right options:



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackage[
pdfencoding=auto,% or unicode
psdextra,
]hyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=ℤ
enddocument


or, the obscure way, with



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=3763774144
enddocument


with or without the error-obfuscating silence package.






share|improve this answer












The behaviour you see is due to a collection of unfortunate bad interactions between silence, hyperref, and mathbb.



First, let us know that mathbb is not expandable, so



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
begindocument
edeftempa$mathbbZ$
enddocument


throws an error. If you add usepackagesilence or even usepackage[safe]silence, it chokes with the code above (I don't think it should, but...). But you are using a primitive edef with a non expandable command, so the outcome is really low level, and I think it's out of the scope of a silence package to cope with this.



Yes, but what does pdftitle has to do with edef?



pdftitle eventually uses pdfstringdef to turn the TeX command into a valid pdf string and issue a warning like



Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


when an invalid token is found. Somewhere in the way pdfstringdef does something along the lines of



xdef@pdftitle#1


where #1 is the $mathbbZ$, and we already saw that this doesn't work even without hyperref or silence, so we can't expect it to work now.



hyperref, however, is clever enough to make unexpandable things expandable handing it to xdef, so if you do



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument


you get a pdf with title Z and two warnings:



ackage hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.

Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDF string (PDFDocEncoding):
(hyperref) removing `math shift' on input line 5.


because of the $ that are unexpandable as well.



If you try to add silence though, it chokes as before leading to the behaviour you found.



If you want to keep this setup, then you can load silence with the safe option or issue SafeMode before the hypersetup. You can call BoldMode later on to return to normal.



This will, however, result in a pdf titled mathbb allowed only in math modeZ and three extra warnings similar to the ones above. mathbb cannnot be used in text mode, and the pdf title is, in essence, text.



The actual answer



You can, however, get the ℤ in the pdf title without the need to resort to math-mode. According to out local pdf expert you can directly use ℤ as long as you load hyperref with the right options:



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackage[
pdfencoding=auto,% or unicode
psdextra,
]hyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=ℤ
enddocument


or, the obscure way, with



documentclassarticle
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
begindocument
hypersetuppdftitle=3763774144
enddocument


with or without the error-obfuscating silence package.







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  • Wow! Very nice. And I incidentally discovered the hyperref's psdextra option (which isn't documented AFAICS).
    – Denis Bitouzé
    5 mins ago
















  • Wow! Very nice. And I incidentally discovered the hyperref's psdextra option (which isn't documented AFAICS).
    – Denis Bitouzé
    5 mins ago















Wow! Very nice. And I incidentally discovered the hyperref's psdextra option (which isn't documented AFAICS).
– Denis Bitouzé
5 mins ago




Wow! Very nice. And I incidentally discovered the hyperref's psdextra option (which isn't documented AFAICS).
– Denis Bitouzé
5 mins ago










up vote
1
down vote













This comes from mathbb expansion inside famous pdfstringdef.



The following works for me.



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
makeatletter
pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo
makeatother
begindocument

hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument



The explanation is that hyperref does let GenericError @gobblefour for pdfstringdef. But silence package redefines @latex@error, which originally used this GenericError. Now it doesn't hence the expansion of mathbb (which causes execution of @latex@error because not in math mode) causes havoc.



By doing



pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo


one works around this problem.






share|improve this answer






















  • Nice caving expedition! Maybe I should not rely on silence package anymore, as it seems to not be maintained.
    – Denis Bitouzé
    3 mins ago














up vote
1
down vote













This comes from mathbb expansion inside famous pdfstringdef.



The following works for me.



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
makeatletter
pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo
makeatother
begindocument

hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument



The explanation is that hyperref does let GenericError @gobblefour for pdfstringdef. But silence package redefines @latex@error, which originally used this GenericError. Now it doesn't hence the expansion of mathbb (which causes execution of @latex@error because not in math mode) causes havoc.



By doing



pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo


one works around this problem.






share|improve this answer






















  • Nice caving expedition! Maybe I should not rely on silence package anymore, as it seems to not be maintained.
    – Denis Bitouzé
    3 mins ago












up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
down vote









This comes from mathbb expansion inside famous pdfstringdef.



The following works for me.



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
makeatletter
pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo
makeatother
begindocument

hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument



The explanation is that hyperref does let GenericError @gobblefour for pdfstringdef. But silence package redefines @latex@error, which originally used this GenericError. Now it doesn't hence the expansion of mathbb (which causes execution of @latex@error because not in math mode) causes havoc.



By doing



pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo


one works around this problem.






share|improve this answer














This comes from mathbb expansion inside famous pdfstringdef.



The following works for me.



documentclassarticle
usepackagesilence
usepackageamsfonts
usepackagehyperref
makeatletter
pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo
makeatother
begindocument

hypersetuppdftitle=$mathbbZ$
enddocument



The explanation is that hyperref does let GenericError @gobblefour for pdfstringdef. But silence package redefines @latex@error, which originally used this GenericError. Now it doesn't hence the expansion of mathbb (which causes execution of @latex@error because not in math mode) causes havoc.



By doing



pdfstringdefDisableCommandslet@latex@error@gobbletwo


one works around this problem.







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  • Nice caving expedition! Maybe I should not rely on silence package anymore, as it seems to not be maintained.
    – Denis Bitouzé
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  • Nice caving expedition! Maybe I should not rely on silence package anymore, as it seems to not be maintained.
    – Denis Bitouzé
    3 mins ago















Nice caving expedition! Maybe I should not rely on silence package anymore, as it seems to not be maintained.
– Denis Bitouzé
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Nice caving expedition! Maybe I should not rely on silence package anymore, as it seems to not be maintained.
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