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Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הוא (Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.

Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכאן אמרו כל שבעת הימים עושה אדם סוכתו קבע וביתו עראי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?

mitzvah sukkah sukkot

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  I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
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  @Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
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  @DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולא מן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
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Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הוא (Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.

Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכאן אמרו כל שבעת הימים עושה אדם סוכתו קבע וביתו עראי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?

mitzvah sukkah sukkot

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  I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
  – DonielF
  20 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
  – Double AA♦
  14 mins ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  @DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולא מן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
  – DonielF
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Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הוא (Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.

Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכאן אמרו כל שבעת הימים עושה אדם סוכתו קבע וביתו עראי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?

mitzvah sukkah sukkot

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Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הוא (Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.

Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכאן אמרו כל שבעת הימים עושה אדם סוכתו קבע וביתו עראי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?

mitzvah sukkah sukkot

mitzvah sukkah sukkot

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edited 23 mins ago

asked 27 mins ago

NJM

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edited 23 mins ago

asked 27 mins ago

NJM

3,2881729

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edited 23 mins ago

edited 23 mins ago

edited 23 mins ago

asked 27 mins ago

NJM

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asked 27 mins ago

NJM

3,2881729

asked 27 mins ago

NJM

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  I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
  – DonielF
  20 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
  – Double AA♦
  14 mins ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  @DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולא מן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
  – DonielF
  10 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

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  I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
  – DonielF
  20 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
  – Double AA♦
  14 mins ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולא מן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
  – DonielF
  10 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

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I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago

I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago

@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago

@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago

@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולא מן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago

@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולא מן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago

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As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.

You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.

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As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.

You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.

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  @DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
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As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.

You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.

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As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.

You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.

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As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.

You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.

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answered 22 mins ago

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answered 22 mins ago

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  (Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
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  @DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
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  @DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
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(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
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(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
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@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
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@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
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