Mixing
Sukkah: Why not tough it out?
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הונ(Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.
Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכ×Âן ×Âמרו כל שבעת הימינעושה ×Âדנסוכתו קבע וביתו ער×Âי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?
mitzvah sukkah sukkot
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הונ(Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.
Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכ×Âן ×Âמרו כל שבעת הימינעושה ×Âדנסוכתו קבע וביתו ער×Âי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?
mitzvah sukkah sukkot
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
2
I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago
@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago
@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולנמן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הונ(Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.
Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכ×Âן ×Âמרו כל שבעת הימינעושה ×Âדנסוכתו קבע וביתו ער×Âי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?
mitzvah sukkah sukkot
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
Why specifically by Sukkah is there a concept of מצטער פטור מן הסוכה הונ(Shulchan Aruch OC 640:4) someone who is in pain in by being in the Sukkah is exempt? We don't have such a low threshold for most other mitzvos.
Note: I understand the gemara Sukka (28b) makes a drasha - תשבו כעין תדורו מכ×Âן ×Âמרו כל שבעת הימינעושה ×Âדנסוכתו קבע וביתו ער×Âי - for the threshold, but why is this mitzva different?
mitzvah sukkah sukkot
mitzvah sukkah sukkot
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
edited 23 mins ago
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
asked 27 mins ago
NJM
3,2881729
3,2881729
2
I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago
@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago
@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולנמן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
2
I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago
@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago
@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולנמן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago
2
2
I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago
I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago
@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago
@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago
@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולנמן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago
@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולנמן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago
add a comment |Â
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.
You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
15 mins ago
@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.
You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
15 mins ago
@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.
You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
15 mins ago
@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.
You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
As the Mishnah Berurah there explains, it’s because of תשבו כעין תדורו - one lives in the sukkah as he would in his house.
You would leave your house if it was causing you significant discomfort, so you may leave the sukkah under the same circumstances.
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
answered 22 mins ago
Joel K
7,7781461
7,7781461
(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
15 mins ago
@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
15 mins ago
@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
12 mins ago
(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
15 mins ago
(Note this answer was posted after the question was edited, so the edit was valid and this could be deleted if the edit inavlidated this post)
– Double AA♦
15 mins ago
@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
12 mins ago
@DoubleAA Do you think that the edit invalidated this answer?
– Joel K
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
2
I don’t understand the question, in its edited form. Do we have a principle of תשבו כעין תדורו by other Mitzvos? No. So why would you think that it should apply? And in practice, how would it apply? I’m in pain, so I’m exempt from hearing the shofar? What does one have to do with the other? Only by Sukkah could we possibly apply such a derasha.
– DonielF
20 mins ago
@Doniel arguably by Tzitzit too if it's not כעין לבישה the same could apply, like on a very very hot day. Maybe other places.
– Double AA♦
14 mins ago
@DoubleAA As in, תעשו כעין לבשו? Don’t we already use that for another derasha of תעשה ולנמן העשוי? Even if we could darshen it, since when is there a chiyuv d’Oraisa to wear tzitzis anyway? The chiyuv is that if one happens to be wearing a four-cornered garment, it better have tzitzis on it.
– DonielF
10 mins ago