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In the short story, The Last Cruise of the Judas Iscariot by Edward Page Mitchel, which tells the story of Captain Cram, a sailor in Main, who builds a schooner with three masts, which was considered by the people of his town as extraordinary and a bad omen. Later, the schooner runs into several accidents every time it sets to sail that Captain Cram decides to give it the name of Judas the Iscariot to describe its demonic nature. People are unable to understand its behavior, for it has no defects in its structure. The narrator discusses this matter saying:
A board of nautical experts sat upon the Judas Iscariot, but could
find nothing the matter with her, physically. The lines of her hull
were all right, she was properly planked and ceiled and calked, her
spars were of good Oregon pine, she was rigged taut and trustworthy,
and her canvas had been cut and stitched by a God-fearing sailmaker.
According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly
responsible as to her keel.
My question is about the meaning of "responsible as to her keel". Shouldn't he say "responsible for"? But again what would it mean?
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In the short story, The Last Cruise of the Judas Iscariot by Edward Page Mitchel, which tells the story of Captain Cram, a sailor in Main, who builds a schooner with three masts, which was considered by the people of his town as extraordinary and a bad omen. Later, the schooner runs into several accidents every time it sets to sail that Captain Cram decides to give it the name of Judas the Iscariot to describe its demonic nature. People are unable to understand its behavior, for it has no defects in its structure. The narrator discusses this matter saying:
A board of nautical experts sat upon the Judas Iscariot, but could
find nothing the matter with her, physically. The lines of her hull
were all right, she was properly planked and ceiled and calked, her
spars were of good Oregon pine, she was rigged taut and trustworthy,
and her canvas had been cut and stitched by a God-fearing sailmaker.
According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly
responsible as to her keel.
My question is about the meaning of "responsible as to her keel". Shouldn't he say "responsible for"? But again what would it mean?
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In the short story, The Last Cruise of the Judas Iscariot by Edward Page Mitchel, which tells the story of Captain Cram, a sailor in Main, who builds a schooner with three masts, which was considered by the people of his town as extraordinary and a bad omen. Later, the schooner runs into several accidents every time it sets to sail that Captain Cram decides to give it the name of Judas the Iscariot to describe its demonic nature. People are unable to understand its behavior, for it has no defects in its structure. The narrator discusses this matter saying:
A board of nautical experts sat upon the Judas Iscariot, but could
find nothing the matter with her, physically. The lines of her hull
were all right, she was properly planked and ceiled and calked, her
spars were of good Oregon pine, she was rigged taut and trustworthy,
and her canvas had been cut and stitched by a God-fearing sailmaker.
According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly
responsible as to her keel.
My question is about the meaning of "responsible as to her keel". Shouldn't he say "responsible for"? But again what would it mean?
meaning-in-context idioms slang
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In the short story, The Last Cruise of the Judas Iscariot by Edward Page Mitchel, which tells the story of Captain Cram, a sailor in Main, who builds a schooner with three masts, which was considered by the people of his town as extraordinary and a bad omen. Later, the schooner runs into several accidents every time it sets to sail that Captain Cram decides to give it the name of Judas the Iscariot to describe its demonic nature. People are unable to understand its behavior, for it has no defects in its structure. The narrator discusses this matter saying:
A board of nautical experts sat upon the Judas Iscariot, but could
find nothing the matter with her, physically. The lines of her hull
were all right, she was properly planked and ceiled and calked, her
spars were of good Oregon pine, she was rigged taut and trustworthy,
and her canvas had been cut and stitched by a God-fearing sailmaker.
According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly
responsible as to her keel.
My question is about the meaning of "responsible as to her keel". Shouldn't he say "responsible for"? But again what would it mean?
meaning-in-context idioms slang
meaning-in-context idioms slang
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The question might be clearer if we also include a couple of further sentences of context.
... According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly responsible as to her keel. In practice, she was frightfully cranky. Sailing the Judas Iscariot was like driving a horse with more vices than hairs in his tail. She always did the unexpected thing, except when bad behavior was expected of her on general principles.
... Start on whatever course she might, the schooner was certain to run before long into one of three things, namely, some other vessel, a fog bank, or the bottom.
This shows that the ship (like a bad horse) doesn't go where it's steered.
So "responsible" is being used here where modern standard English would use "responsive".
If the ship were "responsible" to her keel, she would travel straight rather than unpredictably.
answered 1 hour ago
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That was my first thought, too; but a vessel should be responsive to her wheel or her rudder or her rig, not to her keel -- and now I see you said exactly that in a comment!
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
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@StoneyB, I suspect there's a bit of poetic license taken by the author. AFAIK the keel does contribute to keeping the ship travelling straight, even if the rudder is responsible for turning.
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1 hour ago
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Responsible can mean 'reliable'.
- reliable or dependable, as in meeting debts, conducting business dealings, etc.
And as to can mean 'concerning'
Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
Regarding and concerning
Keel may be being used in a figurative sense in terms of balance and stability.
So your sentence probably means something on the lines of:
The boat ought to have been perfectly reliable as far as its stability was concerned.
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This appears to be an unusual (and perhaps ironic) extension of "responsible" in the sense of "trustworthy, reliable" to an inanimate object.
As to means "with respect to", and keel is probably intended as a synechdoche for the vessel's entire physical construction, since planking, caulking, spars, rigging and sails are included in the assessment.
So the nautical experts agreed that the Judas Iscariot ought to have been perfectly trustworthy, at least with respect to her construction and materials .
answered 2 hours ago
StoneyB
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I understand keel to mean balance in the given context (as in keel over or on an even keel).
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k That seems unlikely to me in so specifically nautical a context, which calls for the literal sense on which those metaphors are based.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
+1 for getting there before me.
– S Conroy
1 hour ago
It makes very little sense to refer to all her parts as being in order, then conclude from this that another part of her is reliable.
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k It is, as I say, a synechdoche, and a common one--see OED 1 s.v. Keel, 2--going all the way back to the Romans and still in use in nautical tales: eg "The trench must be deep enough and wide enough for half a dozen keels. We are at risk, of course, and our ships will suffer some damage, but the Danes will suffer more, for we are better at gunnery than they are." -- David Donachie, Breaking the Line, 20o4.
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The question might be clearer if we also include a couple of further sentences of context.
... According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly responsible as to her keel. In practice, she was frightfully cranky. Sailing the Judas Iscariot was like driving a horse with more vices than hairs in his tail. She always did the unexpected thing, except when bad behavior was expected of her on general principles.
... Start on whatever course she might, the schooner was certain to run before long into one of three things, namely, some other vessel, a fog bank, or the bottom.
This shows that the ship (like a bad horse) doesn't go where it's steered.
So "responsible" is being used here where modern standard English would use "responsive".
If the ship were "responsible" to her keel, she would travel straight rather than unpredictably.
answered 1 hour ago
The Photon
75538
That was my first thought, too; but a vessel should be responsive to her wheel or her rudder or her rig, not to her keel -- and now I see you said exactly that in a comment!
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
1
@StoneyB, I suspect there's a bit of poetic license taken by the author. AFAIK the keel does contribute to keeping the ship travelling straight, even if the rudder is responsible for turning.
– The Photon
1 hour ago
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up vote
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The question might be clearer if we also include a couple of further sentences of context.
... According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly responsible as to her keel. In practice, she was frightfully cranky. Sailing the Judas Iscariot was like driving a horse with more vices than hairs in his tail. She always did the unexpected thing, except when bad behavior was expected of her on general principles.
... Start on whatever course she might, the schooner was certain to run before long into one of three things, namely, some other vessel, a fog bank, or the bottom.
This shows that the ship (like a bad horse) doesn't go where it's steered.
So "responsible" is being used here where modern standard English would use "responsive".
If the ship were "responsible" to her keel, she would travel straight rather than unpredictably.
answered 1 hour ago
The Photon
75538
That was my first thought, too; but a vessel should be responsive to her wheel or her rudder or her rig, not to her keel -- and now I see you said exactly that in a comment!
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
1
@StoneyB, I suspect there's a bit of poetic license taken by the author. AFAIK the keel does contribute to keeping the ship travelling straight, even if the rudder is responsible for turning.
– The Photon
1 hour ago
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up vote
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up vote
3
down vote
The question might be clearer if we also include a couple of further sentences of context.
... According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly responsible as to her keel. In practice, she was frightfully cranky. Sailing the Judas Iscariot was like driving a horse with more vices than hairs in his tail. She always did the unexpected thing, except when bad behavior was expected of her on general principles.
... Start on whatever course she might, the schooner was certain to run before long into one of three things, namely, some other vessel, a fog bank, or the bottom.
This shows that the ship (like a bad horse) doesn't go where it's steered.
So "responsible" is being used here where modern standard English would use "responsive".
If the ship were "responsible" to her keel, she would travel straight rather than unpredictably.
answered 1 hour ago
The Photon
75538
The question might be clearer if we also include a couple of further sentences of context.
... According to all theory, she ought to have been perfectly responsible as to her keel. In practice, she was frightfully cranky. Sailing the Judas Iscariot was like driving a horse with more vices than hairs in his tail. She always did the unexpected thing, except when bad behavior was expected of her on general principles.
... Start on whatever course she might, the schooner was certain to run before long into one of three things, namely, some other vessel, a fog bank, or the bottom.
This shows that the ship (like a bad horse) doesn't go where it's steered.
So "responsible" is being used here where modern standard English would use "responsive".
If the ship were "responsible" to her keel, she would travel straight rather than unpredictably.
answered 1 hour ago
The Photon
75538
edited 1 hour ago
answered 1 hour ago
The Photon
75538
answered 1 hour ago
The Photon
75538
answered 1 hour ago
The Photon
75538
75538
That was my first thought, too; but a vessel should be responsive to her wheel or her rudder or her rig, not to her keel -- and now I see you said exactly that in a comment!
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
1
@StoneyB, I suspect there's a bit of poetic license taken by the author. AFAIK the keel does contribute to keeping the ship travelling straight, even if the rudder is responsible for turning.
– The Photon
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
That was my first thought, too; but a vessel should be responsive to her wheel or her rudder or her rig, not to her keel -- and now I see you said exactly that in a comment!
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
1
@StoneyB, I suspect there's a bit of poetic license taken by the author. AFAIK the keel does contribute to keeping the ship travelling straight, even if the rudder is responsible for turning.
– The Photon
1 hour ago
That was my first thought, too; but a vessel should be responsive to her wheel or her rudder or her rig, not to her keel -- and now I see you said exactly that in a comment!
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
That was my first thought, too; but a vessel should be responsive to her wheel or her rudder or her rig, not to her keel -- and now I see you said exactly that in a comment!
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
1
1
@StoneyB, I suspect there's a bit of poetic license taken by the author. AFAIK the keel does contribute to keeping the ship travelling straight, even if the rudder is responsible for turning.
– The Photon
1 hour ago
@StoneyB, I suspect there's a bit of poetic license taken by the author. AFAIK the keel does contribute to keeping the ship travelling straight, even if the rudder is responsible for turning.
– The Photon
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
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2
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Responsible can mean 'reliable'.
- reliable or dependable, as in meeting debts, conducting business dealings, etc.
And as to can mean 'concerning'
Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
Regarding and concerning
Keel may be being used in a figurative sense in terms of balance and stability.
So your sentence probably means something on the lines of:
The boat ought to have been perfectly reliable as far as its stability was concerned.
answered 1 hour ago
S Conroy
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Responsible can mean 'reliable'.
- reliable or dependable, as in meeting debts, conducting business dealings, etc.
And as to can mean 'concerning'
Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
Regarding and concerning
Keel may be being used in a figurative sense in terms of balance and stability.
So your sentence probably means something on the lines of:
The boat ought to have been perfectly reliable as far as its stability was concerned.
answered 1 hour ago
S Conroy
1,9831319
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Responsible can mean 'reliable'.
- reliable or dependable, as in meeting debts, conducting business dealings, etc.
And as to can mean 'concerning'
Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
Regarding and concerning
Keel may be being used in a figurative sense in terms of balance and stability.
So your sentence probably means something on the lines of:
The boat ought to have been perfectly reliable as far as its stability was concerned.
answered 1 hour ago
S Conroy
1,9831319
Responsible can mean 'reliable'.
- reliable or dependable, as in meeting debts, conducting business dealings, etc.
And as to can mean 'concerning'
Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
Regarding and concerning
Keel may be being used in a figurative sense in terms of balance and stability.
So your sentence probably means something on the lines of:
The boat ought to have been perfectly reliable as far as its stability was concerned.
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S Conroy
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This appears to be an unusual (and perhaps ironic) extension of "responsible" in the sense of "trustworthy, reliable" to an inanimate object.
As to means "with respect to", and keel is probably intended as a synechdoche for the vessel's entire physical construction, since planking, caulking, spars, rigging and sails are included in the assessment.
So the nautical experts agreed that the Judas Iscariot ought to have been perfectly trustworthy, at least with respect to her construction and materials .
answered 2 hours ago
StoneyB
63.4k3109207
I understand keel to mean balance in the given context (as in keel over or on an even keel).
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k That seems unlikely to me in so specifically nautical a context, which calls for the literal sense on which those metaphors are based.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
+1 for getting there before me.
– S Conroy
1 hour ago
It makes very little sense to refer to all her parts as being in order, then conclude from this that another part of her is reliable.
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k It is, as I say, a synechdoche, and a common one--see OED 1 s.v. Keel, 2--going all the way back to the Romans and still in use in nautical tales: eg "The trench must be deep enough and wide enough for half a dozen keels. We are at risk, of course, and our ships will suffer some damage, but the Danes will suffer more, for we are better at gunnery than they are." -- David Donachie, Breaking the Line, 20o4.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
0
down vote
This appears to be an unusual (and perhaps ironic) extension of "responsible" in the sense of "trustworthy, reliable" to an inanimate object.
As to means "with respect to", and keel is probably intended as a synechdoche for the vessel's entire physical construction, since planking, caulking, spars, rigging and sails are included in the assessment.
So the nautical experts agreed that the Judas Iscariot ought to have been perfectly trustworthy, at least with respect to her construction and materials .
answered 2 hours ago
StoneyB
63.4k3109207
I understand keel to mean balance in the given context (as in keel over or on an even keel).
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k That seems unlikely to me in so specifically nautical a context, which calls for the literal sense on which those metaphors are based.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
+1 for getting there before me.
– S Conroy
1 hour ago
It makes very little sense to refer to all her parts as being in order, then conclude from this that another part of her is reliable.
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k It is, as I say, a synechdoche, and a common one--see OED 1 s.v. Keel, 2--going all the way back to the Romans and still in use in nautical tales: eg "The trench must be deep enough and wide enough for half a dozen keels. We are at risk, of course, and our ships will suffer some damage, but the Danes will suffer more, for we are better at gunnery than they are." -- David Donachie, Breaking the Line, 20o4.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
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show 1 more comment
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up vote
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down vote
This appears to be an unusual (and perhaps ironic) extension of "responsible" in the sense of "trustworthy, reliable" to an inanimate object.
As to means "with respect to", and keel is probably intended as a synechdoche for the vessel's entire physical construction, since planking, caulking, spars, rigging and sails are included in the assessment.
So the nautical experts agreed that the Judas Iscariot ought to have been perfectly trustworthy, at least with respect to her construction and materials .
answered 2 hours ago
StoneyB
63.4k3109207
This appears to be an unusual (and perhaps ironic) extension of "responsible" in the sense of "trustworthy, reliable" to an inanimate object.
As to means "with respect to", and keel is probably intended as a synechdoche for the vessel's entire physical construction, since planking, caulking, spars, rigging and sails are included in the assessment.
So the nautical experts agreed that the Judas Iscariot ought to have been perfectly trustworthy, at least with respect to her construction and materials .
answered 2 hours ago
StoneyB
63.4k3109207
answered 2 hours ago
StoneyB
63.4k3109207
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StoneyB
63.4k3109207
answered 2 hours ago
StoneyB
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I understand keel to mean balance in the given context (as in keel over or on an even keel).
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k That seems unlikely to me in so specifically nautical a context, which calls for the literal sense on which those metaphors are based.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
+1 for getting there before me.
– S Conroy
1 hour ago
It makes very little sense to refer to all her parts as being in order, then conclude from this that another part of her is reliable.
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k It is, as I say, a synechdoche, and a common one--see OED 1 s.v. Keel, 2--going all the way back to the Romans and still in use in nautical tales: eg "The trench must be deep enough and wide enough for half a dozen keels. We are at risk, of course, and our ships will suffer some damage, but the Danes will suffer more, for we are better at gunnery than they are." -- David Donachie, Breaking the Line, 20o4.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
I understand keel to mean balance in the given context (as in keel over or on an even keel).
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k That seems unlikely to me in so specifically nautical a context, which calls for the literal sense on which those metaphors are based.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
+1 for getting there before me.
– S Conroy
1 hour ago
It makes very little sense to refer to all her parts as being in order, then conclude from this that another part of her is reliable.
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k It is, as I say, a synechdoche, and a common one--see OED 1 s.v. Keel, 2--going all the way back to the Romans and still in use in nautical tales: eg "The trench must be deep enough and wide enough for half a dozen keels. We are at risk, of course, and our ships will suffer some damage, but the Danes will suffer more, for we are better at gunnery than they are." -- David Donachie, Breaking the Line, 20o4.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
I understand keel to mean balance in the given context (as in keel over or on an even keel).
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
I understand keel to mean balance in the given context (as in keel over or on an even keel).
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k That seems unlikely to me in so specifically nautical a context, which calls for the literal sense on which those metaphors are based.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k That seems unlikely to me in so specifically nautical a context, which calls for the literal sense on which those metaphors are based.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
+1 for getting there before me.
– S Conroy
1 hour ago
+1 for getting there before me.
– S Conroy
1 hour ago
It makes very little sense to refer to all her parts as being in order, then conclude from this that another part of her is reliable.
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
It makes very little sense to refer to all her parts as being in order, then conclude from this that another part of her is reliable.
– michael.hor257k
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k It is, as I say, a synechdoche, and a common one--see OED 1 s.v. Keel, 2--going all the way back to the Romans and still in use in nautical tales: eg "The trench must be deep enough and wide enough for half a dozen keels. We are at risk, of course, and our ships will suffer some damage, but the Danes will suffer more, for we are better at gunnery than they are." -- David Donachie, Breaking the Line, 20o4.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
@michael.hor257k It is, as I say, a synechdoche, and a common one--see OED 1 s.v. Keel, 2--going all the way back to the Romans and still in use in nautical tales: eg "The trench must be deep enough and wide enough for half a dozen keels. We are at risk, of course, and our ships will suffer some damage, but the Danes will suffer more, for we are better at gunnery than they are." -- David Donachie, Breaking the Line, 20o4.
– StoneyB
1 hour ago
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