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Can a wizard ready an invisibility spell with a range of "touch" and trigger it later on while not touching the target?
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Can a wizard ready an invisibility spell with a range of "touch" and trigger it later on while not touching the target?
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Can a wizard ready an invisibility spell with a range of "touch" and trigger it later on while not touching the target?
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Can a wizard ready an invisibility spell with a range of "touch" and trigger it later on while not touching the target?
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No, you can only release the spell if/when the target is within reach
When you ready a spell, you don't actually release it at that point in time, you cast it and release it later when your ready trigger is activated, so you need the target to be in range if and when that trigger condition is met.
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB, pg. 193)
Furthermore, in the Range section of Casting a Spell, it says:
Some spells can target only a creature (including you) that you touch. (PHB, pg. 202)
My reading of these two rules combined is that you only target a creature when you release the spell, not when you cast it with a ready action. Ordinarily, when casting a spell normally, these two things happens as one, which is why it doesn't usually matter.
There's also this other quote from the Range section, but I do not believe this contradicts what I've said above:
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren't limited by its range, unless the spell's description says otherwise. (PHB, pg. 203)
Where it says "Once the spell is cast", I read this to include being released as well, so if you cast the spell as a ready action, technically you haven't finished casting it until you release it, so this rule doesn't come into effect until after the readied spell has been released. In other words, the target doesn't have to be within arm's reach to remain invisible once you've released the spell.
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My thought was if wizard can touch the target while preparing the spell, so he starts "holding the spells effect", then target moves 10ft away, and wizard triggers the effect "releasing" the spell energy and therefore making the target invisible from range, is this still a no?
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
@BorislavSevcik To me, that effectively changes the range of the spell, hence I'd still say that it's a no. The way I see it, the "touch" only happens when "releasing" the spell. This means that you could cast the spell as a ready action when the target isn't near you, then when they get close enough to you, you can "touch" them at that point as you "release" the spell.
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Assuming that your ready trigger was "when X is within touch range" or similar...
– NathanS
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Okay, thanks for the clarification
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No, because the target isn't in range.
After readying a spell, you release it when the trigger occurs. However, you must meet all requirements of casting the spell normally (a clear path to the target, range, etc).
PHB, Chapter 10 - Spellcasting, Casting a Spell - Range, pg. 202:
The target of a spell must be within the spell’s range.
You might be confused by the sentence in the next page.
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren’t limited by its range, unless the spell’s description says otherwise.
It means in your case that after you cast Invisibility the target can get as far away from you as he can and the spell will keep its effects, even across dimensions because Invisibility doesn't have a restriction in range after casting like Faithful Hound that ends if move away more than a 100 ft. from it.
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RAW: Yes
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy,
which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB
193)
Being in range is a requirement of casting a spell, which you clearly do with your Ready Action here, as are other necessities, like performing components. When your Action is done, the spell is cast. This is also signified by the caster spending the spell slot (if needed).
After the spell is cast, you do not have to be in range just as much as you do not have to perform components again.
RAI: uncertain
This is all nice, but can lead to some situations that are hard to imagine. Your example of invisibility is fine, but what of, say, fire bolt? If you ready that against a target and it moves out of its range, can you still release it?
The problem is that the books do not define properly what "hold its energy, which you release" (PHB 193) actually means. Interpretation in the given circumstances will fall on the DM.
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I think "hold its energy" should be taken as literal as possible. You "hold" the firebolt, and when you fire it the energy is released from the caster, creating the ball of flame flying towards the unfortunate goblin. So, when you touch someone, you release the held energy into the target. Without the physical touch connection, the energy could not be released.
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No, you can only release the spell if/when the target is within reach
When you ready a spell, you don't actually release it at that point in time, you cast it and release it later when your ready trigger is activated, so you need the target to be in range if and when that trigger condition is met.
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB, pg. 193)
Furthermore, in the Range section of Casting a Spell, it says:
Some spells can target only a creature (including you) that you touch. (PHB, pg. 202)
My reading of these two rules combined is that you only target a creature when you release the spell, not when you cast it with a ready action. Ordinarily, when casting a spell normally, these two things happens as one, which is why it doesn't usually matter.
There's also this other quote from the Range section, but I do not believe this contradicts what I've said above:
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren't limited by its range, unless the spell's description says otherwise. (PHB, pg. 203)
Where it says "Once the spell is cast", I read this to include being released as well, so if you cast the spell as a ready action, technically you haven't finished casting it until you release it, so this rule doesn't come into effect until after the readied spell has been released. In other words, the target doesn't have to be within arm's reach to remain invisible once you've released the spell.
answered 4 hours ago
NathanS
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My thought was if wizard can touch the target while preparing the spell, so he starts "holding the spells effect", then target moves 10ft away, and wizard triggers the effect "releasing" the spell energy and therefore making the target invisible from range, is this still a no?
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
@BorislavSevcik To me, that effectively changes the range of the spell, hence I'd still say that it's a no. The way I see it, the "touch" only happens when "releasing" the spell. This means that you could cast the spell as a ready action when the target isn't near you, then when they get close enough to you, you can "touch" them at that point as you "release" the spell.
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Assuming that your ready trigger was "when X is within touch range" or similar...
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
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No, you can only release the spell if/when the target is within reach
When you ready a spell, you don't actually release it at that point in time, you cast it and release it later when your ready trigger is activated, so you need the target to be in range if and when that trigger condition is met.
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB, pg. 193)
Furthermore, in the Range section of Casting a Spell, it says:
Some spells can target only a creature (including you) that you touch. (PHB, pg. 202)
My reading of these two rules combined is that you only target a creature when you release the spell, not when you cast it with a ready action. Ordinarily, when casting a spell normally, these two things happens as one, which is why it doesn't usually matter.
There's also this other quote from the Range section, but I do not believe this contradicts what I've said above:
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren't limited by its range, unless the spell's description says otherwise. (PHB, pg. 203)
Where it says "Once the spell is cast", I read this to include being released as well, so if you cast the spell as a ready action, technically you haven't finished casting it until you release it, so this rule doesn't come into effect until after the readied spell has been released. In other words, the target doesn't have to be within arm's reach to remain invisible once you've released the spell.
answered 4 hours ago
NathanS
15.4k368166
My thought was if wizard can touch the target while preparing the spell, so he starts "holding the spells effect", then target moves 10ft away, and wizard triggers the effect "releasing" the spell energy and therefore making the target invisible from range, is this still a no?
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
@BorislavSevcik To me, that effectively changes the range of the spell, hence I'd still say that it's a no. The way I see it, the "touch" only happens when "releasing" the spell. This means that you could cast the spell as a ready action when the target isn't near you, then when they get close enough to you, you can "touch" them at that point as you "release" the spell.
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Assuming that your ready trigger was "when X is within touch range" or similar...
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
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up vote
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No, you can only release the spell if/when the target is within reach
When you ready a spell, you don't actually release it at that point in time, you cast it and release it later when your ready trigger is activated, so you need the target to be in range if and when that trigger condition is met.
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB, pg. 193)
Furthermore, in the Range section of Casting a Spell, it says:
Some spells can target only a creature (including you) that you touch. (PHB, pg. 202)
My reading of these two rules combined is that you only target a creature when you release the spell, not when you cast it with a ready action. Ordinarily, when casting a spell normally, these two things happens as one, which is why it doesn't usually matter.
There's also this other quote from the Range section, but I do not believe this contradicts what I've said above:
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren't limited by its range, unless the spell's description says otherwise. (PHB, pg. 203)
Where it says "Once the spell is cast", I read this to include being released as well, so if you cast the spell as a ready action, technically you haven't finished casting it until you release it, so this rule doesn't come into effect until after the readied spell has been released. In other words, the target doesn't have to be within arm's reach to remain invisible once you've released the spell.
answered 4 hours ago
NathanS
15.4k368166
No, you can only release the spell if/when the target is within reach
When you ready a spell, you don't actually release it at that point in time, you cast it and release it later when your ready trigger is activated, so you need the target to be in range if and when that trigger condition is met.
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB, pg. 193)
Furthermore, in the Range section of Casting a Spell, it says:
Some spells can target only a creature (including you) that you touch. (PHB, pg. 202)
My reading of these two rules combined is that you only target a creature when you release the spell, not when you cast it with a ready action. Ordinarily, when casting a spell normally, these two things happens as one, which is why it doesn't usually matter.
There's also this other quote from the Range section, but I do not believe this contradicts what I've said above:
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren't limited by its range, unless the spell's description says otherwise. (PHB, pg. 203)
Where it says "Once the spell is cast", I read this to include being released as well, so if you cast the spell as a ready action, technically you haven't finished casting it until you release it, so this rule doesn't come into effect until after the readied spell has been released. In other words, the target doesn't have to be within arm's reach to remain invisible once you've released the spell.
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My thought was if wizard can touch the target while preparing the spell, so he starts "holding the spells effect", then target moves 10ft away, and wizard triggers the effect "releasing" the spell energy and therefore making the target invisible from range, is this still a no?
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
@BorislavSevcik To me, that effectively changes the range of the spell, hence I'd still say that it's a no. The way I see it, the "touch" only happens when "releasing" the spell. This means that you could cast the spell as a ready action when the target isn't near you, then when they get close enough to you, you can "touch" them at that point as you "release" the spell.
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Assuming that your ready trigger was "when X is within touch range" or similar...
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
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My thought was if wizard can touch the target while preparing the spell, so he starts "holding the spells effect", then target moves 10ft away, and wizard triggers the effect "releasing" the spell energy and therefore making the target invisible from range, is this still a no?
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
@BorislavSevcik To me, that effectively changes the range of the spell, hence I'd still say that it's a no. The way I see it, the "touch" only happens when "releasing" the spell. This means that you could cast the spell as a ready action when the target isn't near you, then when they get close enough to you, you can "touch" them at that point as you "release" the spell.
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Assuming that your ready trigger was "when X is within touch range" or similar...
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
My thought was if wizard can touch the target while preparing the spell, so he starts "holding the spells effect", then target moves 10ft away, and wizard triggers the effect "releasing" the spell energy and therefore making the target invisible from range, is this still a no?
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
My thought was if wizard can touch the target while preparing the spell, so he starts "holding the spells effect", then target moves 10ft away, and wizard triggers the effect "releasing" the spell energy and therefore making the target invisible from range, is this still a no?
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
@BorislavSevcik To me, that effectively changes the range of the spell, hence I'd still say that it's a no. The way I see it, the "touch" only happens when "releasing" the spell. This means that you could cast the spell as a ready action when the target isn't near you, then when they get close enough to you, you can "touch" them at that point as you "release" the spell.
– NathanS
1 hour ago
@BorislavSevcik To me, that effectively changes the range of the spell, hence I'd still say that it's a no. The way I see it, the "touch" only happens when "releasing" the spell. This means that you could cast the spell as a ready action when the target isn't near you, then when they get close enough to you, you can "touch" them at that point as you "release" the spell.
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Assuming that your ready trigger was "when X is within touch range" or similar...
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Assuming that your ready trigger was "when X is within touch range" or similar...
– NathanS
1 hour ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification
– Borislav Sevcik
1 hour ago
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No, because the target isn't in range.
After readying a spell, you release it when the trigger occurs. However, you must meet all requirements of casting the spell normally (a clear path to the target, range, etc).
PHB, Chapter 10 - Spellcasting, Casting a Spell - Range, pg. 202:
The target of a spell must be within the spell’s range.
You might be confused by the sentence in the next page.
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren’t limited by its range, unless the spell’s description says otherwise.
It means in your case that after you cast Invisibility the target can get as far away from you as he can and the spell will keep its effects, even across dimensions because Invisibility doesn't have a restriction in range after casting like Faithful Hound that ends if move away more than a 100 ft. from it.
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No, because the target isn't in range.
After readying a spell, you release it when the trigger occurs. However, you must meet all requirements of casting the spell normally (a clear path to the target, range, etc).
PHB, Chapter 10 - Spellcasting, Casting a Spell - Range, pg. 202:
The target of a spell must be within the spell’s range.
You might be confused by the sentence in the next page.
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren’t limited by its range, unless the spell’s description says otherwise.
It means in your case that after you cast Invisibility the target can get as far away from you as he can and the spell will keep its effects, even across dimensions because Invisibility doesn't have a restriction in range after casting like Faithful Hound that ends if move away more than a 100 ft. from it.
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No, because the target isn't in range.
After readying a spell, you release it when the trigger occurs. However, you must meet all requirements of casting the spell normally (a clear path to the target, range, etc).
PHB, Chapter 10 - Spellcasting, Casting a Spell - Range, pg. 202:
The target of a spell must be within the spell’s range.
You might be confused by the sentence in the next page.
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren’t limited by its range, unless the spell’s description says otherwise.
It means in your case that after you cast Invisibility the target can get as far away from you as he can and the spell will keep its effects, even across dimensions because Invisibility doesn't have a restriction in range after casting like Faithful Hound that ends if move away more than a 100 ft. from it.
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Aguinaldo Silvestre
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No, because the target isn't in range.
After readying a spell, you release it when the trigger occurs. However, you must meet all requirements of casting the spell normally (a clear path to the target, range, etc).
PHB, Chapter 10 - Spellcasting, Casting a Spell - Range, pg. 202:
The target of a spell must be within the spell’s range.
You might be confused by the sentence in the next page.
Once a spell is cast, its effects aren’t limited by its range, unless the spell’s description says otherwise.
It means in your case that after you cast Invisibility the target can get as far away from you as he can and the spell will keep its effects, even across dimensions because Invisibility doesn't have a restriction in range after casting like Faithful Hound that ends if move away more than a 100 ft. from it.
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RAW: Yes
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy,
which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB
193)
Being in range is a requirement of casting a spell, which you clearly do with your Ready Action here, as are other necessities, like performing components. When your Action is done, the spell is cast. This is also signified by the caster spending the spell slot (if needed).
After the spell is cast, you do not have to be in range just as much as you do not have to perform components again.
RAI: uncertain
This is all nice, but can lead to some situations that are hard to imagine. Your example of invisibility is fine, but what of, say, fire bolt? If you ready that against a target and it moves out of its range, can you still release it?
The problem is that the books do not define properly what "hold its energy, which you release" (PHB 193) actually means. Interpretation in the given circumstances will fall on the DM.
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Szega
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I think "hold its energy" should be taken as literal as possible. You "hold" the firebolt, and when you fire it the energy is released from the caster, creating the ball of flame flying towards the unfortunate goblin. So, when you touch someone, you release the held energy into the target. Without the physical touch connection, the energy could not be released.
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RAW: Yes
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy,
which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB
193)
Being in range is a requirement of casting a spell, which you clearly do with your Ready Action here, as are other necessities, like performing components. When your Action is done, the spell is cast. This is also signified by the caster spending the spell slot (if needed).
After the spell is cast, you do not have to be in range just as much as you do not have to perform components again.
RAI: uncertain
This is all nice, but can lead to some situations that are hard to imagine. Your example of invisibility is fine, but what of, say, fire bolt? If you ready that against a target and it moves out of its range, can you still release it?
The problem is that the books do not define properly what "hold its energy, which you release" (PHB 193) actually means. Interpretation in the given circumstances will fall on the DM.
answered 3 hours ago
Szega
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I think "hold its energy" should be taken as literal as possible. You "hold" the firebolt, and when you fire it the energy is released from the caster, creating the ball of flame flying towards the unfortunate goblin. So, when you touch someone, you release the held energy into the target. Without the physical touch connection, the energy could not be released.
– Berry M.
3 hours ago
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up vote
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RAW: Yes
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy,
which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB
193)
Being in range is a requirement of casting a spell, which you clearly do with your Ready Action here, as are other necessities, like performing components. When your Action is done, the spell is cast. This is also signified by the caster spending the spell slot (if needed).
After the spell is cast, you do not have to be in range just as much as you do not have to perform components again.
RAI: uncertain
This is all nice, but can lead to some situations that are hard to imagine. Your example of invisibility is fine, but what of, say, fire bolt? If you ready that against a target and it moves out of its range, can you still release it?
The problem is that the books do not define properly what "hold its energy, which you release" (PHB 193) actually means. Interpretation in the given circumstances will fall on the DM.
answered 3 hours ago
Szega
34.3k4141176
RAW: Yes
When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy,
which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. (PHB
193)
Being in range is a requirement of casting a spell, which you clearly do with your Ready Action here, as are other necessities, like performing components. When your Action is done, the spell is cast. This is also signified by the caster spending the spell slot (if needed).
After the spell is cast, you do not have to be in range just as much as you do not have to perform components again.
RAI: uncertain
This is all nice, but can lead to some situations that are hard to imagine. Your example of invisibility is fine, but what of, say, fire bolt? If you ready that against a target and it moves out of its range, can you still release it?
The problem is that the books do not define properly what "hold its energy, which you release" (PHB 193) actually means. Interpretation in the given circumstances will fall on the DM.
answered 3 hours ago
Szega
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answered 3 hours ago
Szega
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answered 3 hours ago
Szega
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Szega
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I think "hold its energy" should be taken as literal as possible. You "hold" the firebolt, and when you fire it the energy is released from the caster, creating the ball of flame flying towards the unfortunate goblin. So, when you touch someone, you release the held energy into the target. Without the physical touch connection, the energy could not be released.
– Berry M.
3 hours ago
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I think "hold its energy" should be taken as literal as possible. You "hold" the firebolt, and when you fire it the energy is released from the caster, creating the ball of flame flying towards the unfortunate goblin. So, when you touch someone, you release the held energy into the target. Without the physical touch connection, the energy could not be released.
– Berry M.
3 hours ago
1
1
I think "hold its energy" should be taken as literal as possible. You "hold" the firebolt, and when you fire it the energy is released from the caster, creating the ball of flame flying towards the unfortunate goblin. So, when you touch someone, you release the held energy into the target. Without the physical touch connection, the energy could not be released.
– Berry M.
3 hours ago
I think "hold its energy" should be taken as literal as possible. You "hold" the firebolt, and when you fire it the energy is released from the caster, creating the ball of flame flying towards the unfortunate goblin. So, when you touch someone, you release the held energy into the target. Without the physical touch connection, the energy could not be released.
– Berry M.
3 hours ago
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