Sparsest similar matrix

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Given a square matrix A (say with complex entries), which is the sparsest matrix which is similar to A?



I guess it has to be its Jordan normal form but I am not sure.



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  • A matrix is sparser than other if it has less nonzero entries.


  • Two square $n times n$ matrices $A,C$ are similar if there exists and invertible matrix $P$ such that $A = P^-1CP$










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  • If the matrix is diagonalisable, clearly its Jordan form is the sparsest one in its similarity class because you cannot get fewer than $operatornamerank(A)$ entries.
    – user1551
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  • My intuition says the same, but apart from trivial cases ($A$ is diagonaliseable) I do not see an immediate proof of that.
    – TZakrevskiy
    2 hours ago






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    Simulposted to MO, mathoverflow.net/questions/313224/sparsest-similar-matrix DON'T DO THAT!
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Given a square matrix A (say with complex entries), which is the sparsest matrix which is similar to A?



I guess it has to be its Jordan normal form but I am not sure.



Remarks:



  • A matrix is sparser than other if it has less nonzero entries.


  • Two square $n times n$ matrices $A,C$ are similar if there exists and invertible matrix $P$ such that $A = P^-1CP$










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  • If the matrix is diagonalisable, clearly its Jordan form is the sparsest one in its similarity class because you cannot get fewer than $operatornamerank(A)$ entries.
    – user1551
    2 hours ago










  • My intuition says the same, but apart from trivial cases ($A$ is diagonaliseable) I do not see an immediate proof of that.
    – TZakrevskiy
    2 hours ago






  • 2




    Simulposted to MO, mathoverflow.net/questions/313224/sparsest-similar-matrix DON'T DO THAT!
    – Gerry Myerson
    1 hour ago












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Given a square matrix A (say with complex entries), which is the sparsest matrix which is similar to A?



I guess it has to be its Jordan normal form but I am not sure.



Remarks:



  • A matrix is sparser than other if it has less nonzero entries.


  • Two square $n times n$ matrices $A,C$ are similar if there exists and invertible matrix $P$ such that $A = P^-1CP$










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Given a square matrix A (say with complex entries), which is the sparsest matrix which is similar to A?



I guess it has to be its Jordan normal form but I am not sure.



Remarks:



  • A matrix is sparser than other if it has less nonzero entries.


  • Two square $n times n$ matrices $A,C$ are similar if there exists and invertible matrix $P$ such that $A = P^-1CP$







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  • If the matrix is diagonalisable, clearly its Jordan form is the sparsest one in its similarity class because you cannot get fewer than $operatornamerank(A)$ entries.
    – user1551
    2 hours ago










  • My intuition says the same, but apart from trivial cases ($A$ is diagonaliseable) I do not see an immediate proof of that.
    – TZakrevskiy
    2 hours ago






  • 2




    Simulposted to MO, mathoverflow.net/questions/313224/sparsest-similar-matrix DON'T DO THAT!
    – Gerry Myerson
    1 hour ago
















  • If the matrix is diagonalisable, clearly its Jordan form is the sparsest one in its similarity class because you cannot get fewer than $operatornamerank(A)$ entries.
    – user1551
    2 hours ago










  • My intuition says the same, but apart from trivial cases ($A$ is diagonaliseable) I do not see an immediate proof of that.
    – TZakrevskiy
    2 hours ago






  • 2




    Simulposted to MO, mathoverflow.net/questions/313224/sparsest-similar-matrix DON'T DO THAT!
    – Gerry Myerson
    1 hour ago















If the matrix is diagonalisable, clearly its Jordan form is the sparsest one in its similarity class because you cannot get fewer than $operatornamerank(A)$ entries.
– user1551
2 hours ago




If the matrix is diagonalisable, clearly its Jordan form is the sparsest one in its similarity class because you cannot get fewer than $operatornamerank(A)$ entries.
– user1551
2 hours ago












My intuition says the same, but apart from trivial cases ($A$ is diagonaliseable) I do not see an immediate proof of that.
– TZakrevskiy
2 hours ago




My intuition says the same, but apart from trivial cases ($A$ is diagonaliseable) I do not see an immediate proof of that.
– TZakrevskiy
2 hours ago




2




2




Simulposted to MO, mathoverflow.net/questions/313224/sparsest-similar-matrix DON'T DO THAT!
– Gerry Myerson
1 hour ago




Simulposted to MO, mathoverflow.net/questions/313224/sparsest-similar-matrix DON'T DO THAT!
– Gerry Myerson
1 hour ago










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The companion matrix to the polynomial $(x^2-1)^2=1-2x^2+x^4$ is $$pmatrix0&0&0&-1cr1&0&0&0cr0&1&0&2cr0&0&1&0cr$$ which has Jordan form $$pmatrix1&1&0&0cr0&1&0&0cr0&0&-1&1cr0&0&0&-1cr$$ which has more nonzero entries.






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  • The following paper claims that the companion matrix is the sparsest in a certain sense: doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2012.08.017
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The companion matrix to the polynomial $(x^2-1)^2=1-2x^2+x^4$ is $$pmatrix0&0&0&-1cr1&0&0&0cr0&1&0&2cr0&0&1&0cr$$ which has Jordan form $$pmatrix1&1&0&0cr0&1&0&0cr0&0&-1&1cr0&0&0&-1cr$$ which has more nonzero entries.






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  • The following paper claims that the companion matrix is the sparsest in a certain sense: doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2012.08.017
    – Julian Kuelshammer
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The companion matrix to the polynomial $(x^2-1)^2=1-2x^2+x^4$ is $$pmatrix0&0&0&-1cr1&0&0&0cr0&1&0&2cr0&0&1&0cr$$ which has Jordan form $$pmatrix1&1&0&0cr0&1&0&0cr0&0&-1&1cr0&0&0&-1cr$$ which has more nonzero entries.






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  • The following paper claims that the companion matrix is the sparsest in a certain sense: doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2012.08.017
    – Julian Kuelshammer
    34 mins ago












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The companion matrix to the polynomial $(x^2-1)^2=1-2x^2+x^4$ is $$pmatrix0&0&0&-1cr1&0&0&0cr0&1&0&2cr0&0&1&0cr$$ which has Jordan form $$pmatrix1&1&0&0cr0&1&0&0cr0&0&-1&1cr0&0&0&-1cr$$ which has more nonzero entries.






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The companion matrix to the polynomial $(x^2-1)^2=1-2x^2+x^4$ is $$pmatrix0&0&0&-1cr1&0&0&0cr0&1&0&2cr0&0&1&0cr$$ which has Jordan form $$pmatrix1&1&0&0cr0&1&0&0cr0&0&-1&1cr0&0&0&-1cr$$ which has more nonzero entries.







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  • The following paper claims that the companion matrix is the sparsest in a certain sense: doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2012.08.017
    – Julian Kuelshammer
    34 mins ago
















  • The following paper claims that the companion matrix is the sparsest in a certain sense: doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2012.08.017
    – Julian Kuelshammer
    34 mins ago















The following paper claims that the companion matrix is the sparsest in a certain sense: doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2012.08.017
– Julian Kuelshammer
34 mins ago




The following paper claims that the companion matrix is the sparsest in a certain sense: doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2012.08.017
– Julian Kuelshammer
34 mins ago

















 

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