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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
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How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
ethics
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I have seen colleagues present the same data analysis multiple times over several years.
Each time, what the study is supposedly "about" is different, sometimes even using different theories and claiming to have a new research question. But the data analysis remains pretty much the same, maybe some new control variables or a different regression technique.
This is explained as having the previous paper rejected at a journal and needing to change the "framing" of the paper.
Is the behavior of my colleagues ethical?
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How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
– BrianH
3 mins ago
Should “ethical†be replaced by “lazyâ€�
– Solar Mike
1 min ago
add a comment |Â
How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
– BrianH
3 mins ago
Should “ethical†be replaced by “lazyâ€�
– Solar Mike
1 min ago
How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
– BrianH
3 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
– BrianH
3 mins ago
Should “ethical†be replaced by “lazyâ€�
– Solar Mike
1 min ago
Should “ethical†be replaced by “lazyâ€�
– Solar Mike
1 min ago
add a comment |Â
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What venue are they “presenting†the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical “salami-slicingâ€Â. That’s because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: you’re not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isn’t what’s happening here, if your colleagues haven’t succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue they’re presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields I’m familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people won’t be very excited or impressed, but it won’t be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again there’s no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
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It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mine…
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2 Answers
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active
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up vote
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What venue are they “presenting†the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical “salami-slicingâ€Â. That’s because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: you’re not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isn’t what’s happening here, if your colleagues haven’t succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue they’re presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields I’m familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people won’t be very excited or impressed, but it won’t be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again there’s no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
answered 55 mins ago
PLL
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
– damian
53 mins ago
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What venue are they “presenting†the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical “salami-slicingâ€Â. That’s because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: you’re not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isn’t what’s happening here, if your colleagues haven’t succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue they’re presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields I’m familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people won’t be very excited or impressed, but it won’t be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again there’s no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
answered 55 mins ago
PLL
5,03831825
2
I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
– damian
53 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
What venue are they “presenting†the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical “salami-slicingâ€Â. That’s because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: you’re not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isn’t what’s happening here, if your colleagues haven’t succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue they’re presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields I’m familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people won’t be very excited or impressed, but it won’t be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again there’s no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
answered 55 mins ago
PLL
5,03831825
What venue are they “presenting†the work in, and does it carry an expectation of originality?
Publishing multiple minor variations of the same piece of work would indeed generally be considered as unethical, or at best borderline-ethical “salami-slicingâ€Â. That’s because publishing carries an expectation of originality/novelty: you’re not supposed to publish the same work twice. This is deeply entwined with the ways that publications are used as a metric of productivity. However, it sounds like this isn’t what’s happening here, if your colleagues haven’t succeeded in publishing the work.
Whether presenting multiple minor variations of the work is ethical depends entirely on what venue they’re presenting in (major conferences? informal workshops? the departmental seminar?) and whether it has an expectation of originality like publications would.
This varies between fields and subfields, and between conferences within subfields. In pure maths (at least in the subfields I’m familiar with), conference presentations have no expectation of originality. You can present the same piece of work every year for a decade, and people won’t be very excited or impressed, but it won’t be considered as unethical. In computer science, on the other hand (again, in the subfields I know), presentations at major conferences are like a smaller version of a journal publication, and as such, are explicitly required to be original: re-using material between them would be unethical. But in less formal settings (e.g. local workshops), again there’s no such expectation of originality, and re-use of material (with or without variation) is fine.
answered 55 mins ago
PLL
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answered 55 mins ago
PLL
5,03831825
answered 55 mins ago
PLL
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answered 55 mins ago
PLL
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
– damian
53 mins ago
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
– damian
53 mins ago
2
2
I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
– damian
53 mins ago
I upvoted your answer, it is much more comprehensive than mine...
– damian
53 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
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It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
answered 54 mins ago
damian
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I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mine…
– PLL
50 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
answered 54 mins ago
damian
4,66211322
3
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mine…
– PLL
50 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
answered 54 mins ago
damian
4,66211322
It is difficult to say whether it is ethical or not; it also will differ based on what the conferences say (e.g., do you have to explicitly state that the work has not been presented elsewhere?). There is also a gray area here: There is nothing wrong, for instance, with a secondary analysis of previously collected data.
But a colleague who has nothing new to tell for years, has probably a much bigger problem anyway...
answered 54 mins ago
damian
4,66211322
answered 54 mins ago
damian
4,66211322
answered 54 mins ago
damian
4,66211322
answered 54 mins ago
damian
4,66211322
4,66211322
3
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mine…
– PLL
50 mins ago
add a comment |Â
3
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mine…
– PLL
50 mins ago
3
3
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mine…
– PLL
50 mins ago
I upvoted your answer, it is much more succinct than mine…
– PLL
50 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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How does ethics enter in to this? Maybe it is misguided, but unethical? Maybe they are just getting a deeper understanding.
– Buffy
34 mins ago
It would be helpful if you clarify what you mean by "present". If it is just presenting as-in some sort of non-archival presentation or discussion, if they are changing the framing of a study and resubmitting it after a rejection, or if they are publishing year after year the same basic work - these would all call for very different responses!
– BrianH
3 mins ago
Should “ethical†be replaced by “lazyâ€�
– Solar Mike
1 min ago