Mixing
Did Genie actually grant any of Aladdin's wishes other than the one to set him free?
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
up vote
3
down vote
favorite
I recently watched an interesting youtube video which theorizes that Genie still owes Aladdin one wish, however as I was watching it I realized that it could in fact be argued that Genie never fully fulfilled any of Aladdin's wishes except the one to set him free. Since he set Genie free, then Genie doesn't owe any wishes to Aladdin anymore. But did he ever actually officially grant either of the other two wishes? He never officially makes Aladdin a prince and Aladdin never says the words "I wish to be saved from drowning." Video with the theory can be seen below.
Q: Is it not true that Genie never actually granted any of Aladdin's wishes other than the one to set him free?
NOTE: Related to but not a duplicate of Does the Genie trick Aladdin with the third wish?
aladdin
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
favorite
I recently watched an interesting youtube video which theorizes that Genie still owes Aladdin one wish, however as I was watching it I realized that it could in fact be argued that Genie never fully fulfilled any of Aladdin's wishes except the one to set him free. Since he set Genie free, then Genie doesn't owe any wishes to Aladdin anymore. But did he ever actually officially grant either of the other two wishes? He never officially makes Aladdin a prince and Aladdin never says the words "I wish to be saved from drowning." Video with the theory can be seen below.
Q: Is it not true that Genie never actually granted any of Aladdin's wishes other than the one to set him free?
NOTE: Related to but not a duplicate of Does the Genie trick Aladdin with the third wish?
aladdin
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
SCB (as much as I love them) are by no means an authoritative voice. I don't see why the question was edited so drastically, but I guess the main premise is still there.
– Skooba
2 hours ago
Also, for answer to be complete would we be making counter arguments to the prince and drowning wish, or just the prince one?
– Skooba
2 hours ago
@Skooba I would prefer both wishes legitimacy be addressed personally although I suppose if you could legitimize one of them and not the other that would still answer the core question of whether Genie actually officially granted ANY of the wishes.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
Also I edited the original question because as @Paulie_D pointed out I was really answering my own question rather than simply posing the question to the community, so I extracted most of it and posted it as an answer instead.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
favorite
up vote
3
down vote
favorite
I recently watched an interesting youtube video which theorizes that Genie still owes Aladdin one wish, however as I was watching it I realized that it could in fact be argued that Genie never fully fulfilled any of Aladdin's wishes except the one to set him free. Since he set Genie free, then Genie doesn't owe any wishes to Aladdin anymore. But did he ever actually officially grant either of the other two wishes? He never officially makes Aladdin a prince and Aladdin never says the words "I wish to be saved from drowning." Video with the theory can be seen below.
Q: Is it not true that Genie never actually granted any of Aladdin's wishes other than the one to set him free?
NOTE: Related to but not a duplicate of Does the Genie trick Aladdin with the third wish?
aladdin
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
I recently watched an interesting youtube video which theorizes that Genie still owes Aladdin one wish, however as I was watching it I realized that it could in fact be argued that Genie never fully fulfilled any of Aladdin's wishes except the one to set him free. Since he set Genie free, then Genie doesn't owe any wishes to Aladdin anymore. But did he ever actually officially grant either of the other two wishes? He never officially makes Aladdin a prince and Aladdin never says the words "I wish to be saved from drowning." Video with the theory can be seen below.
Q: Is it not true that Genie never actually granted any of Aladdin's wishes other than the one to set him free?
NOTE: Related to but not a duplicate of Does the Genie trick Aladdin with the third wish?
aladdin
aladdin
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
edited 2 hours ago
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
asked 3 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
14.8k961137
SCB (as much as I love them) are by no means an authoritative voice. I don't see why the question was edited so drastically, but I guess the main premise is still there.
– Skooba
2 hours ago
Also, for answer to be complete would we be making counter arguments to the prince and drowning wish, or just the prince one?
– Skooba
2 hours ago
@Skooba I would prefer both wishes legitimacy be addressed personally although I suppose if you could legitimize one of them and not the other that would still answer the core question of whether Genie actually officially granted ANY of the wishes.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
Also I edited the original question because as @Paulie_D pointed out I was really answering my own question rather than simply posing the question to the community, so I extracted most of it and posted it as an answer instead.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
SCB (as much as I love them) are by no means an authoritative voice. I don't see why the question was edited so drastically, but I guess the main premise is still there.
– Skooba
2 hours ago
Also, for answer to be complete would we be making counter arguments to the prince and drowning wish, or just the prince one?
– Skooba
2 hours ago
@Skooba I would prefer both wishes legitimacy be addressed personally although I suppose if you could legitimize one of them and not the other that would still answer the core question of whether Genie actually officially granted ANY of the wishes.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
Also I edited the original question because as @Paulie_D pointed out I was really answering my own question rather than simply posing the question to the community, so I extracted most of it and posted it as an answer instead.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
SCB (as much as I love them) are by no means an authoritative voice. I don't see why the question was edited so drastically, but I guess the main premise is still there.
– Skooba
2 hours ago
SCB (as much as I love them) are by no means an authoritative voice. I don't see why the question was edited so drastically, but I guess the main premise is still there.
– Skooba
2 hours ago
Also, for answer to be complete would we be making counter arguments to the prince and drowning wish, or just the prince one?
– Skooba
2 hours ago
Also, for answer to be complete would we be making counter arguments to the prince and drowning wish, or just the prince one?
– Skooba
2 hours ago
@Skooba I would prefer both wishes legitimacy be addressed personally although I suppose if you could legitimize one of them and not the other that would still answer the core question of whether Genie actually officially granted ANY of the wishes.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
@Skooba I would prefer both wishes legitimacy be addressed personally although I suppose if you could legitimize one of them and not the other that would still answer the core question of whether Genie actually officially granted ANY of the wishes.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
Also I edited the original question because as @Paulie_D pointed out I was really answering my own question rather than simply posing the question to the community, so I extracted most of it and posted it as an answer instead.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
Also I edited the original question because as @Paulie_D pointed out I was really answering my own question rather than simply posing the question to the community, so I extracted most of it and posted it as an answer instead.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
Genie only officially granted the wish to be made free
Of the other two wishes, one was in progress but never fulfilled and the other was not official since it was never verbalized.
Wish 1 - Genie never makes Aladdin a prince
Aladdin wishes for Genie to make him a prince. Genie then grants him a menagerie and all sorts of other fancy things to make him look like a prince, but he is not officially a prince as is pretty well established throughout the rest of the movie.
The only way for Aladdin to become a prince is to marry a princess. So Genie is still in the process of granting Aladdin's first wish the entire movie.
Genie tries to convince Aladdin to tell Jasmine the truth about not being a prince in order to woo her
Genie: All right, Sparky, here's the deal. If you wanna court the little lady, you gotta be a straight shooter. Do you got it?
Genie: Tell her the truth!
Aladdin: No way. If Jasmine found out I was really some crummy street rat, she'd laugh at me.
Jafar exposes Aladdin as a non-prince
Jafar: ♪ Prince Ali, yes, it is he. But not as you know him! Read my lips and coms to grips with the reality. Yes, meet a blast from your past, whose lies were too good to last! Say hello to your precious Ali! ♪
Iago: Or should we say Aladdin?
Jasmine: Ali?
Aladdin: Jasmine, I tried to tell you. I'm just...
Jafar: ♪ So Ali turns out to be merely Aladdin! Just a con. Need I go on? Take it from me.
The Sultan has to make a new law so that Aladdin and Jasmine can get married
Genie: No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me.
Sultan: That's right. You've certainly proven your worth as far as I'm concerned. It's that law that's the problem.
Jasmine: Father?
Sultan: Well, am I Sultan or am I Sultan? From this day forth, the princess shall marry whomever she deems worthy.
At this point Genie has already been set free so it could safely be said that he has not granted Aladdin's wish of being made a prince before being set free. A change in the law actually has to be made so that Jasmine and Aladdin can get married. Its also worth noting that they do not get married until the third movie Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Wish 2 - Aladdin doesn't officially wish to be saved from drowning
Genie can't grant an official wish unless Aladdin says the words, "I wish for [blank]", but this doesn't limit Genie's ability to intervene. There are two examples in the movie of Genie performing acts on Aladdin's behalf which Aladdin didn't verbally wish for.
Unofficial wish #1
First, Aladdin tricks Genie into getting them out of the Cave of Wonders, which Genie accepts was not an official wish due to this logic.
Aladdin: Ah, no. I never actually wished to get out of the cave. You did that on your own.
Genie: Well, I feel sheepish. All right, you baaad boy, but no more freebies.
Aladdin: Fair deal.
Unoffical wish #2
When Aladdin is drowning, Genie saves him but since Aladdin is unconscious he is unable to make an actual wish. Genie even tells him that he can't save him unless he says the words. But this would appear to be untrue as he immediately goes ahead and saves him anyway after Aladdin appears to nod.
Genie: Never fails. Get in the bath and there's a rub at the lamp. Hello? Al? [gasping] Al! Kid, snap out of it. You can't cheat on this one. I can't help unless you make a wish. You have to say, "Genie, I want you to save my life." Got it? Okay! Come on, Aladdin! I'll take that as a yes.
Counter arguments
It has been argued that this second wish was official because of the original agreement of "no more freebies", however it is already established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without there being an actual wish made. I don't see any evidence in the film or otherwise that the "no more freebies" agreement was binding in any way that would eliminate Genie's ability to perform an action without a wish being made.
In addition, I would argue that Genie was already obligated to save Aladdin from drowning due to Aladdin's wish to be made a prince which had yet to be fulfilled.
Conclusion
So, Genie never grants Aladdin's first wish to made a prince. Aladdin only becomes a prince after he marries Jasmine, which he doesn't do until the third movie and is only able to do because the Sultan changes the law.
The wish to save Aladdin from drowning was non-binding because:
- Genie was obligated to save him because he had not yet fulfilled the first wish to make Aladdin a prince
- While Genie and Aladdin had a verbal agreement of "no more freebies", it is established that for the wish to be official, Aladdin must say the words, which he doesn't do.
- It is also established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without a wish being official
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Genie does grant the wish to make Aladdin a prince!
The easiest counter argument is that without Jafar's involvement Aladdin would have stayed a prince. Jafar's magic counteracts Genie's when he "exposed" Aladdin.
Aladdin was made a prince, the "real truth" he needed to tell Jasmine was that he made a prince by magic and that he was not born royal. Remember Jasmine was mad at Ali because he felt he had a "right" to marry her. Telling her the truth at that point reveals that the whole prince thing is just a way to even have a chance at seeing her again.
Jasmine ends up realizing Ali and Aladdin are the same person, but Ali ends up covering this with another lie. If Jasmine believes this lie she still believes he is a prince. Without Jafar's interference, if Aladin can reestablish the connection he made with Jasmine in the market there is no need for the Sultan to change the laws as the secret would not be made public (or at least to public to the Sultan).
The conclusion would be that Aladdin and Jasmine get married, Genie fulfilled the wish.
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
This is a good point, but I would argue that Aladdin does not really seem to be a prince as he has no lands or anything real that would make him so. It's just a disney move so not a big deal, but it has always bugged me that his retainers and gold etc... disappear, when it seems Genie did have the power to have them be permanent.
– Majaii
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
Genie only officially granted the wish to be made free
Of the other two wishes, one was in progress but never fulfilled and the other was not official since it was never verbalized.
Wish 1 - Genie never makes Aladdin a prince
Aladdin wishes for Genie to make him a prince. Genie then grants him a menagerie and all sorts of other fancy things to make him look like a prince, but he is not officially a prince as is pretty well established throughout the rest of the movie.
The only way for Aladdin to become a prince is to marry a princess. So Genie is still in the process of granting Aladdin's first wish the entire movie.
Genie tries to convince Aladdin to tell Jasmine the truth about not being a prince in order to woo her
Genie: All right, Sparky, here's the deal. If you wanna court the little lady, you gotta be a straight shooter. Do you got it?
Genie: Tell her the truth!
Aladdin: No way. If Jasmine found out I was really some crummy street rat, she'd laugh at me.
Jafar exposes Aladdin as a non-prince
Jafar: ♪ Prince Ali, yes, it is he. But not as you know him! Read my lips and coms to grips with the reality. Yes, meet a blast from your past, whose lies were too good to last! Say hello to your precious Ali! ♪
Iago: Or should we say Aladdin?
Jasmine: Ali?
Aladdin: Jasmine, I tried to tell you. I'm just...
Jafar: ♪ So Ali turns out to be merely Aladdin! Just a con. Need I go on? Take it from me.
The Sultan has to make a new law so that Aladdin and Jasmine can get married
Genie: No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me.
Sultan: That's right. You've certainly proven your worth as far as I'm concerned. It's that law that's the problem.
Jasmine: Father?
Sultan: Well, am I Sultan or am I Sultan? From this day forth, the princess shall marry whomever she deems worthy.
At this point Genie has already been set free so it could safely be said that he has not granted Aladdin's wish of being made a prince before being set free. A change in the law actually has to be made so that Jasmine and Aladdin can get married. Its also worth noting that they do not get married until the third movie Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Wish 2 - Aladdin doesn't officially wish to be saved from drowning
Genie can't grant an official wish unless Aladdin says the words, "I wish for [blank]", but this doesn't limit Genie's ability to intervene. There are two examples in the movie of Genie performing acts on Aladdin's behalf which Aladdin didn't verbally wish for.
Unofficial wish #1
First, Aladdin tricks Genie into getting them out of the Cave of Wonders, which Genie accepts was not an official wish due to this logic.
Aladdin: Ah, no. I never actually wished to get out of the cave. You did that on your own.
Genie: Well, I feel sheepish. All right, you baaad boy, but no more freebies.
Aladdin: Fair deal.
Unoffical wish #2
When Aladdin is drowning, Genie saves him but since Aladdin is unconscious he is unable to make an actual wish. Genie even tells him that he can't save him unless he says the words. But this would appear to be untrue as he immediately goes ahead and saves him anyway after Aladdin appears to nod.
Genie: Never fails. Get in the bath and there's a rub at the lamp. Hello? Al? [gasping] Al! Kid, snap out of it. You can't cheat on this one. I can't help unless you make a wish. You have to say, "Genie, I want you to save my life." Got it? Okay! Come on, Aladdin! I'll take that as a yes.
Counter arguments
It has been argued that this second wish was official because of the original agreement of "no more freebies", however it is already established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without there being an actual wish made. I don't see any evidence in the film or otherwise that the "no more freebies" agreement was binding in any way that would eliminate Genie's ability to perform an action without a wish being made.
In addition, I would argue that Genie was already obligated to save Aladdin from drowning due to Aladdin's wish to be made a prince which had yet to be fulfilled.
Conclusion
So, Genie never grants Aladdin's first wish to made a prince. Aladdin only becomes a prince after he marries Jasmine, which he doesn't do until the third movie and is only able to do because the Sultan changes the law.
The wish to save Aladdin from drowning was non-binding because:
- Genie was obligated to save him because he had not yet fulfilled the first wish to make Aladdin a prince
- While Genie and Aladdin had a verbal agreement of "no more freebies", it is established that for the wish to be official, Aladdin must say the words, which he doesn't do.
- It is also established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without a wish being official
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
Genie only officially granted the wish to be made free
Of the other two wishes, one was in progress but never fulfilled and the other was not official since it was never verbalized.
Wish 1 - Genie never makes Aladdin a prince
Aladdin wishes for Genie to make him a prince. Genie then grants him a menagerie and all sorts of other fancy things to make him look like a prince, but he is not officially a prince as is pretty well established throughout the rest of the movie.
The only way for Aladdin to become a prince is to marry a princess. So Genie is still in the process of granting Aladdin's first wish the entire movie.
Genie tries to convince Aladdin to tell Jasmine the truth about not being a prince in order to woo her
Genie: All right, Sparky, here's the deal. If you wanna court the little lady, you gotta be a straight shooter. Do you got it?
Genie: Tell her the truth!
Aladdin: No way. If Jasmine found out I was really some crummy street rat, she'd laugh at me.
Jafar exposes Aladdin as a non-prince
Jafar: ♪ Prince Ali, yes, it is he. But not as you know him! Read my lips and coms to grips with the reality. Yes, meet a blast from your past, whose lies were too good to last! Say hello to your precious Ali! ♪
Iago: Or should we say Aladdin?
Jasmine: Ali?
Aladdin: Jasmine, I tried to tell you. I'm just...
Jafar: ♪ So Ali turns out to be merely Aladdin! Just a con. Need I go on? Take it from me.
The Sultan has to make a new law so that Aladdin and Jasmine can get married
Genie: No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me.
Sultan: That's right. You've certainly proven your worth as far as I'm concerned. It's that law that's the problem.
Jasmine: Father?
Sultan: Well, am I Sultan or am I Sultan? From this day forth, the princess shall marry whomever she deems worthy.
At this point Genie has already been set free so it could safely be said that he has not granted Aladdin's wish of being made a prince before being set free. A change in the law actually has to be made so that Jasmine and Aladdin can get married. Its also worth noting that they do not get married until the third movie Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Wish 2 - Aladdin doesn't officially wish to be saved from drowning
Genie can't grant an official wish unless Aladdin says the words, "I wish for [blank]", but this doesn't limit Genie's ability to intervene. There are two examples in the movie of Genie performing acts on Aladdin's behalf which Aladdin didn't verbally wish for.
Unofficial wish #1
First, Aladdin tricks Genie into getting them out of the Cave of Wonders, which Genie accepts was not an official wish due to this logic.
Aladdin: Ah, no. I never actually wished to get out of the cave. You did that on your own.
Genie: Well, I feel sheepish. All right, you baaad boy, but no more freebies.
Aladdin: Fair deal.
Unoffical wish #2
When Aladdin is drowning, Genie saves him but since Aladdin is unconscious he is unable to make an actual wish. Genie even tells him that he can't save him unless he says the words. But this would appear to be untrue as he immediately goes ahead and saves him anyway after Aladdin appears to nod.
Genie: Never fails. Get in the bath and there's a rub at the lamp. Hello? Al? [gasping] Al! Kid, snap out of it. You can't cheat on this one. I can't help unless you make a wish. You have to say, "Genie, I want you to save my life." Got it? Okay! Come on, Aladdin! I'll take that as a yes.
Counter arguments
It has been argued that this second wish was official because of the original agreement of "no more freebies", however it is already established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without there being an actual wish made. I don't see any evidence in the film or otherwise that the "no more freebies" agreement was binding in any way that would eliminate Genie's ability to perform an action without a wish being made.
In addition, I would argue that Genie was already obligated to save Aladdin from drowning due to Aladdin's wish to be made a prince which had yet to be fulfilled.
Conclusion
So, Genie never grants Aladdin's first wish to made a prince. Aladdin only becomes a prince after he marries Jasmine, which he doesn't do until the third movie and is only able to do because the Sultan changes the law.
The wish to save Aladdin from drowning was non-binding because:
- Genie was obligated to save him because he had not yet fulfilled the first wish to make Aladdin a prince
- While Genie and Aladdin had a verbal agreement of "no more freebies", it is established that for the wish to be official, Aladdin must say the words, which he doesn't do.
- It is also established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without a wish being official
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
Genie only officially granted the wish to be made free
Of the other two wishes, one was in progress but never fulfilled and the other was not official since it was never verbalized.
Wish 1 - Genie never makes Aladdin a prince
Aladdin wishes for Genie to make him a prince. Genie then grants him a menagerie and all sorts of other fancy things to make him look like a prince, but he is not officially a prince as is pretty well established throughout the rest of the movie.
The only way for Aladdin to become a prince is to marry a princess. So Genie is still in the process of granting Aladdin's first wish the entire movie.
Genie tries to convince Aladdin to tell Jasmine the truth about not being a prince in order to woo her
Genie: All right, Sparky, here's the deal. If you wanna court the little lady, you gotta be a straight shooter. Do you got it?
Genie: Tell her the truth!
Aladdin: No way. If Jasmine found out I was really some crummy street rat, she'd laugh at me.
Jafar exposes Aladdin as a non-prince
Jafar: ♪ Prince Ali, yes, it is he. But not as you know him! Read my lips and coms to grips with the reality. Yes, meet a blast from your past, whose lies were too good to last! Say hello to your precious Ali! ♪
Iago: Or should we say Aladdin?
Jasmine: Ali?
Aladdin: Jasmine, I tried to tell you. I'm just...
Jafar: ♪ So Ali turns out to be merely Aladdin! Just a con. Need I go on? Take it from me.
The Sultan has to make a new law so that Aladdin and Jasmine can get married
Genie: No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me.
Sultan: That's right. You've certainly proven your worth as far as I'm concerned. It's that law that's the problem.
Jasmine: Father?
Sultan: Well, am I Sultan or am I Sultan? From this day forth, the princess shall marry whomever she deems worthy.
At this point Genie has already been set free so it could safely be said that he has not granted Aladdin's wish of being made a prince before being set free. A change in the law actually has to be made so that Jasmine and Aladdin can get married. Its also worth noting that they do not get married until the third movie Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Wish 2 - Aladdin doesn't officially wish to be saved from drowning
Genie can't grant an official wish unless Aladdin says the words, "I wish for [blank]", but this doesn't limit Genie's ability to intervene. There are two examples in the movie of Genie performing acts on Aladdin's behalf which Aladdin didn't verbally wish for.
Unofficial wish #1
First, Aladdin tricks Genie into getting them out of the Cave of Wonders, which Genie accepts was not an official wish due to this logic.
Aladdin: Ah, no. I never actually wished to get out of the cave. You did that on your own.
Genie: Well, I feel sheepish. All right, you baaad boy, but no more freebies.
Aladdin: Fair deal.
Unoffical wish #2
When Aladdin is drowning, Genie saves him but since Aladdin is unconscious he is unable to make an actual wish. Genie even tells him that he can't save him unless he says the words. But this would appear to be untrue as he immediately goes ahead and saves him anyway after Aladdin appears to nod.
Genie: Never fails. Get in the bath and there's a rub at the lamp. Hello? Al? [gasping] Al! Kid, snap out of it. You can't cheat on this one. I can't help unless you make a wish. You have to say, "Genie, I want you to save my life." Got it? Okay! Come on, Aladdin! I'll take that as a yes.
Counter arguments
It has been argued that this second wish was official because of the original agreement of "no more freebies", however it is already established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without there being an actual wish made. I don't see any evidence in the film or otherwise that the "no more freebies" agreement was binding in any way that would eliminate Genie's ability to perform an action without a wish being made.
In addition, I would argue that Genie was already obligated to save Aladdin from drowning due to Aladdin's wish to be made a prince which had yet to be fulfilled.
Conclusion
So, Genie never grants Aladdin's first wish to made a prince. Aladdin only becomes a prince after he marries Jasmine, which he doesn't do until the third movie and is only able to do because the Sultan changes the law.
The wish to save Aladdin from drowning was non-binding because:
- Genie was obligated to save him because he had not yet fulfilled the first wish to make Aladdin a prince
- While Genie and Aladdin had a verbal agreement of "no more freebies", it is established that for the wish to be official, Aladdin must say the words, which he doesn't do.
- It is also established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without a wish being official
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
Genie only officially granted the wish to be made free
Of the other two wishes, one was in progress but never fulfilled and the other was not official since it was never verbalized.
Wish 1 - Genie never makes Aladdin a prince
Aladdin wishes for Genie to make him a prince. Genie then grants him a menagerie and all sorts of other fancy things to make him look like a prince, but he is not officially a prince as is pretty well established throughout the rest of the movie.
The only way for Aladdin to become a prince is to marry a princess. So Genie is still in the process of granting Aladdin's first wish the entire movie.
Genie tries to convince Aladdin to tell Jasmine the truth about not being a prince in order to woo her
Genie: All right, Sparky, here's the deal. If you wanna court the little lady, you gotta be a straight shooter. Do you got it?
Genie: Tell her the truth!
Aladdin: No way. If Jasmine found out I was really some crummy street rat, she'd laugh at me.
Jafar exposes Aladdin as a non-prince
Jafar: ♪ Prince Ali, yes, it is he. But not as you know him! Read my lips and coms to grips with the reality. Yes, meet a blast from your past, whose lies were too good to last! Say hello to your precious Ali! ♪
Iago: Or should we say Aladdin?
Jasmine: Ali?
Aladdin: Jasmine, I tried to tell you. I'm just...
Jafar: ♪ So Ali turns out to be merely Aladdin! Just a con. Need I go on? Take it from me.
The Sultan has to make a new law so that Aladdin and Jasmine can get married
Genie: No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me.
Sultan: That's right. You've certainly proven your worth as far as I'm concerned. It's that law that's the problem.
Jasmine: Father?
Sultan: Well, am I Sultan or am I Sultan? From this day forth, the princess shall marry whomever she deems worthy.
At this point Genie has already been set free so it could safely be said that he has not granted Aladdin's wish of being made a prince before being set free. A change in the law actually has to be made so that Jasmine and Aladdin can get married. Its also worth noting that they do not get married until the third movie Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Wish 2 - Aladdin doesn't officially wish to be saved from drowning
Genie can't grant an official wish unless Aladdin says the words, "I wish for [blank]", but this doesn't limit Genie's ability to intervene. There are two examples in the movie of Genie performing acts on Aladdin's behalf which Aladdin didn't verbally wish for.
Unofficial wish #1
First, Aladdin tricks Genie into getting them out of the Cave of Wonders, which Genie accepts was not an official wish due to this logic.
Aladdin: Ah, no. I never actually wished to get out of the cave. You did that on your own.
Genie: Well, I feel sheepish. All right, you baaad boy, but no more freebies.
Aladdin: Fair deal.
Unoffical wish #2
When Aladdin is drowning, Genie saves him but since Aladdin is unconscious he is unable to make an actual wish. Genie even tells him that he can't save him unless he says the words. But this would appear to be untrue as he immediately goes ahead and saves him anyway after Aladdin appears to nod.
Genie: Never fails. Get in the bath and there's a rub at the lamp. Hello? Al? [gasping] Al! Kid, snap out of it. You can't cheat on this one. I can't help unless you make a wish. You have to say, "Genie, I want you to save my life." Got it? Okay! Come on, Aladdin! I'll take that as a yes.
Counter arguments
It has been argued that this second wish was official because of the original agreement of "no more freebies", however it is already established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without there being an actual wish made. I don't see any evidence in the film or otherwise that the "no more freebies" agreement was binding in any way that would eliminate Genie's ability to perform an action without a wish being made.
In addition, I would argue that Genie was already obligated to save Aladdin from drowning due to Aladdin's wish to be made a prince which had yet to be fulfilled.
Conclusion
So, Genie never grants Aladdin's first wish to made a prince. Aladdin only becomes a prince after he marries Jasmine, which he doesn't do until the third movie and is only able to do because the Sultan changes the law.
The wish to save Aladdin from drowning was non-binding because:
- Genie was obligated to save him because he had not yet fulfilled the first wish to make Aladdin a prince
- While Genie and Aladdin had a verbal agreement of "no more freebies", it is established that for the wish to be official, Aladdin must say the words, which he doesn't do.
- It is also established that Genie does have the ability to intervene without a wish being official
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
edited 42 mins ago
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
answered 2 hours ago
sanpaco
14.8k961137
14.8k961137
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Genie does grant the wish to make Aladdin a prince!
The easiest counter argument is that without Jafar's involvement Aladdin would have stayed a prince. Jafar's magic counteracts Genie's when he "exposed" Aladdin.
Aladdin was made a prince, the "real truth" he needed to tell Jasmine was that he made a prince by magic and that he was not born royal. Remember Jasmine was mad at Ali because he felt he had a "right" to marry her. Telling her the truth at that point reveals that the whole prince thing is just a way to even have a chance at seeing her again.
Jasmine ends up realizing Ali and Aladdin are the same person, but Ali ends up covering this with another lie. If Jasmine believes this lie she still believes he is a prince. Without Jafar's interference, if Aladin can reestablish the connection he made with Jasmine in the market there is no need for the Sultan to change the laws as the secret would not be made public (or at least to public to the Sultan).
The conclusion would be that Aladdin and Jasmine get married, Genie fulfilled the wish.
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
This is a good point, but I would argue that Aladdin does not really seem to be a prince as he has no lands or anything real that would make him so. It's just a disney move so not a big deal, but it has always bugged me that his retainers and gold etc... disappear, when it seems Genie did have the power to have them be permanent.
– Majaii
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Genie does grant the wish to make Aladdin a prince!
The easiest counter argument is that without Jafar's involvement Aladdin would have stayed a prince. Jafar's magic counteracts Genie's when he "exposed" Aladdin.
Aladdin was made a prince, the "real truth" he needed to tell Jasmine was that he made a prince by magic and that he was not born royal. Remember Jasmine was mad at Ali because he felt he had a "right" to marry her. Telling her the truth at that point reveals that the whole prince thing is just a way to even have a chance at seeing her again.
Jasmine ends up realizing Ali and Aladdin are the same person, but Ali ends up covering this with another lie. If Jasmine believes this lie she still believes he is a prince. Without Jafar's interference, if Aladin can reestablish the connection he made with Jasmine in the market there is no need for the Sultan to change the laws as the secret would not be made public (or at least to public to the Sultan).
The conclusion would be that Aladdin and Jasmine get married, Genie fulfilled the wish.
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
This is a good point, but I would argue that Aladdin does not really seem to be a prince as he has no lands or anything real that would make him so. It's just a disney move so not a big deal, but it has always bugged me that his retainers and gold etc... disappear, when it seems Genie did have the power to have them be permanent.
– Majaii
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Genie does grant the wish to make Aladdin a prince!
The easiest counter argument is that without Jafar's involvement Aladdin would have stayed a prince. Jafar's magic counteracts Genie's when he "exposed" Aladdin.
Aladdin was made a prince, the "real truth" he needed to tell Jasmine was that he made a prince by magic and that he was not born royal. Remember Jasmine was mad at Ali because he felt he had a "right" to marry her. Telling her the truth at that point reveals that the whole prince thing is just a way to even have a chance at seeing her again.
Jasmine ends up realizing Ali and Aladdin are the same person, but Ali ends up covering this with another lie. If Jasmine believes this lie she still believes he is a prince. Without Jafar's interference, if Aladin can reestablish the connection he made with Jasmine in the market there is no need for the Sultan to change the laws as the secret would not be made public (or at least to public to the Sultan).
The conclusion would be that Aladdin and Jasmine get married, Genie fulfilled the wish.
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
Genie does grant the wish to make Aladdin a prince!
The easiest counter argument is that without Jafar's involvement Aladdin would have stayed a prince. Jafar's magic counteracts Genie's when he "exposed" Aladdin.
Aladdin was made a prince, the "real truth" he needed to tell Jasmine was that he made a prince by magic and that he was not born royal. Remember Jasmine was mad at Ali because he felt he had a "right" to marry her. Telling her the truth at that point reveals that the whole prince thing is just a way to even have a chance at seeing her again.
Jasmine ends up realizing Ali and Aladdin are the same person, but Ali ends up covering this with another lie. If Jasmine believes this lie she still believes he is a prince. Without Jafar's interference, if Aladin can reestablish the connection he made with Jasmine in the market there is no need for the Sultan to change the laws as the secret would not be made public (or at least to public to the Sultan).
The conclusion would be that Aladdin and Jasmine get married, Genie fulfilled the wish.
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
edited 2 hours ago
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
answered 2 hours ago
Skooba
7,7554161
7,7554161
This is a good point, but I would argue that Aladdin does not really seem to be a prince as he has no lands or anything real that would make him so. It's just a disney move so not a big deal, but it has always bugged me that his retainers and gold etc... disappear, when it seems Genie did have the power to have them be permanent.
– Majaii
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
This is a good point, but I would argue that Aladdin does not really seem to be a prince as he has no lands or anything real that would make him so. It's just a disney move so not a big deal, but it has always bugged me that his retainers and gold etc... disappear, when it seems Genie did have the power to have them be permanent.
– Majaii
56 mins ago
This is a good point, but I would argue that Aladdin does not really seem to be a prince as he has no lands or anything real that would make him so. It's just a disney move so not a big deal, but it has always bugged me that his retainers and gold etc... disappear, when it seems Genie did have the power to have them be permanent.
– Majaii
56 mins ago
This is a good point, but I would argue that Aladdin does not really seem to be a prince as he has no lands or anything real that would make him so. It's just a disney move so not a big deal, but it has always bugged me that his retainers and gold etc... disappear, when it seems Genie did have the power to have them be permanent.
– Majaii
56 mins ago
add a comment |Â
SCB (as much as I love them) are by no means an authoritative voice. I don't see why the question was edited so drastically, but I guess the main premise is still there.
– Skooba
2 hours ago
Also, for answer to be complete would we be making counter arguments to the prince and drowning wish, or just the prince one?
– Skooba
2 hours ago
@Skooba I would prefer both wishes legitimacy be addressed personally although I suppose if you could legitimize one of them and not the other that would still answer the core question of whether Genie actually officially granted ANY of the wishes.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago
Also I edited the original question because as @Paulie_D pointed out I was really answering my own question rather than simply posing the question to the community, so I extracted most of it and posted it as an answer instead.
– sanpaco
2 hours ago