Mixing
What can be done if there is no one that could countersign kids picture for a British passport?
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
I'm aware what the Recognised professions are (so please don't repeat). Either I don't know them long enough or not in touch with them any longer or has passed away or not in the Recognised professions list. Besides waiting, is there any other way round this?
https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories
Site like this touches on the topic, but never address the direct question that has been raised (just repeats the criteria).
https://www.passports-office.co.uk/blog/cant_find_anyone_countersign_passport/
uk passports paperwork international-travel uk-citizens
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
I'm aware what the Recognised professions are (so please don't repeat). Either I don't know them long enough or not in touch with them any longer or has passed away or not in the Recognised professions list. Besides waiting, is there any other way round this?
https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories
Site like this touches on the topic, but never address the direct question that has been raised (just repeats the criteria).
https://www.passports-office.co.uk/blog/cant_find_anyone_countersign_passport/
uk passports paperwork international-travel uk-citizens
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
3
Have you considered using "a person of good standing in their community" instead of someone in a recognized profession?
– Patricia Shanahan
6 hours ago
@PatriciaShanahan What does that even mean though? The page linked doesn't attempt to explain, which suggests that even the passport office aren't sure.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
@MJeffryes It seems that it's not that they're unsure, it's that they recognise it's not really possible to define all possible cases (if they could, you could just put them on the explicit list of approved people). There's some (internal?) guidance on it here. "a person who enjoys a good reputation in the community ... has credentials that can be checked ... and who would have something to lose by wrongly countersigning".
– Andrew
3 hours ago
1
Some people move around so much that they never get to be known by an approved person. What can they do in that case?
– Willeke♦
2 hours ago
@AzorAhai Yes the last link says so. - my passport was signed by a GP which would not be allowed now and I moved school so had not been there 2 years - so how would I get one now?
– Mark
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
up vote
6
down vote
favorite
I'm aware what the Recognised professions are (so please don't repeat). Either I don't know them long enough or not in touch with them any longer or has passed away or not in the Recognised professions list. Besides waiting, is there any other way round this?
https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories
Site like this touches on the topic, but never address the direct question that has been raised (just repeats the criteria).
https://www.passports-office.co.uk/blog/cant_find_anyone_countersign_passport/
uk passports paperwork international-travel uk-citizens
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
I'm aware what the Recognised professions are (so please don't repeat). Either I don't know them long enough or not in touch with them any longer or has passed away or not in the Recognised professions list. Besides waiting, is there any other way round this?
https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories
Site like this touches on the topic, but never address the direct question that has been raised (just repeats the criteria).
https://www.passports-office.co.uk/blog/cant_find_anyone_countersign_passport/
uk passports paperwork international-travel uk-citizens
uk passports paperwork international-travel uk-citizens
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
edited 13 mins ago
JonathanReez♦
46.9k36217465
46.9k36217465
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
asked 6 hours ago
akbar hussain
342
342
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
akbar hussain is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
3
Have you considered using "a person of good standing in their community" instead of someone in a recognized profession?
– Patricia Shanahan
6 hours ago
@PatriciaShanahan What does that even mean though? The page linked doesn't attempt to explain, which suggests that even the passport office aren't sure.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
@MJeffryes It seems that it's not that they're unsure, it's that they recognise it's not really possible to define all possible cases (if they could, you could just put them on the explicit list of approved people). There's some (internal?) guidance on it here. "a person who enjoys a good reputation in the community ... has credentials that can be checked ... and who would have something to lose by wrongly countersigning".
– Andrew
3 hours ago
1
Some people move around so much that they never get to be known by an approved person. What can they do in that case?
– Willeke♦
2 hours ago
@AzorAhai Yes the last link says so. - my passport was signed by a GP which would not be allowed now and I moved school so had not been there 2 years - so how would I get one now?
– Mark
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
3
Have you considered using "a person of good standing in their community" instead of someone in a recognized profession?
– Patricia Shanahan
6 hours ago
@PatriciaShanahan What does that even mean though? The page linked doesn't attempt to explain, which suggests that even the passport office aren't sure.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
@MJeffryes It seems that it's not that they're unsure, it's that they recognise it's not really possible to define all possible cases (if they could, you could just put them on the explicit list of approved people). There's some (internal?) guidance on it here. "a person who enjoys a good reputation in the community ... has credentials that can be checked ... and who would have something to lose by wrongly countersigning".
– Andrew
3 hours ago
1
Some people move around so much that they never get to be known by an approved person. What can they do in that case?
– Willeke♦
2 hours ago
@AzorAhai Yes the last link says so. - my passport was signed by a GP which would not be allowed now and I moved school so had not been there 2 years - so how would I get one now?
– Mark
1 hour ago
3
3
Have you considered using "a person of good standing in their community" instead of someone in a recognized profession?
– Patricia Shanahan
6 hours ago
Have you considered using "a person of good standing in their community" instead of someone in a recognized profession?
– Patricia Shanahan
6 hours ago
@PatriciaShanahan What does that even mean though? The page linked doesn't attempt to explain, which suggests that even the passport office aren't sure.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
@PatriciaShanahan What does that even mean though? The page linked doesn't attempt to explain, which suggests that even the passport office aren't sure.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
@MJeffryes It seems that it's not that they're unsure, it's that they recognise it's not really possible to define all possible cases (if they could, you could just put them on the explicit list of approved people). There's some (internal?) guidance on it here. "a person who enjoys a good reputation in the community ... has credentials that can be checked ... and who would have something to lose by wrongly countersigning".
– Andrew
3 hours ago
@MJeffryes It seems that it's not that they're unsure, it's that they recognise it's not really possible to define all possible cases (if they could, you could just put them on the explicit list of approved people). There's some (internal?) guidance on it here. "a person who enjoys a good reputation in the community ... has credentials that can be checked ... and who would have something to lose by wrongly countersigning".
– Andrew
3 hours ago
1
1
Some people move around so much that they never get to be known by an approved person. What can they do in that case?
– Willeke♦
2 hours ago
Some people move around so much that they never get to be known by an approved person. What can they do in that case?
– Willeke♦
2 hours ago
@AzorAhai Yes the last link says so. - my passport was signed by a GP which would not be allowed now and I moved school so had not been there 2 years - so how would I get one now?
– Mark
1 hour ago
@AzorAhai Yes the last link says so. - my passport was signed by a GP which would not be allowed now and I moved school so had not been there 2 years - so how would I get one now?
– Mark
1 hour ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
up vote
11
down vote
It says on that very page you link
If you’re not sure who to ask to be your countersignatory
Call the Passport
Adviceline.
If anyone knows what you can do, surely they will.
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
1
Maybe it would be good to have the actual advice given by the Passport Adviceline in the answer, if possible? As it stands, this answer doesn't really provide anything over the quite inadequate advice given on the page the question asker linked.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
2
@MJeffryes I agree. I don't, however, know what it is. Maybe it's information on what they consider to be 'a person of good standing in their community', and the answer is so comical that they don't want to publish it?
– AakashM
5 hours ago
Why not call them and publish what they have to say?
– JonathanReez♦
3 hours ago
6
@MJeffryes The advice would be specific to the situation of the asker. If there was a generic answer, you wouldn't have to phone up to get that advice -- it would already be in the written guidance.
– David Richerby
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Note that there is no stated maximum period that you can be out of contact of with the person, before they can't counter-sign the application.
Is there any suitable person that you're out of contact with? The owner of a cafe, the owner of your previous employer, someone at your mosque (I assume, based on your name, that likely to be your religion)?
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
add a comment |Â
up vote
-1
down vote
In my experience with UK Passports for children, which I would venture to say is more than ordinarily extensive, the most difficult requirement for countersignatories is the sheer amount of writing he or she must fit onto the passport photograph.
The list of "Recognised professions" is so extensive, it is rather surprising that you do not know any such person. That said, however, the list is not comprehensive - it does preface the list as "Examples". In addition, the advice further allows that the countersignatory merely be 'a person of good standing in their community'.
This sounds to be a rather easy requirement to satisfy.
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |Â
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
11
down vote
It says on that very page you link
If you’re not sure who to ask to be your countersignatory
Call the Passport
Adviceline.
If anyone knows what you can do, surely they will.
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
1
Maybe it would be good to have the actual advice given by the Passport Adviceline in the answer, if possible? As it stands, this answer doesn't really provide anything over the quite inadequate advice given on the page the question asker linked.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
2
@MJeffryes I agree. I don't, however, know what it is. Maybe it's information on what they consider to be 'a person of good standing in their community', and the answer is so comical that they don't want to publish it?
– AakashM
5 hours ago
Why not call them and publish what they have to say?
– JonathanReez♦
3 hours ago
6
@MJeffryes The advice would be specific to the situation of the asker. If there was a generic answer, you wouldn't have to phone up to get that advice -- it would already be in the written guidance.
– David Richerby
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
11
down vote
It says on that very page you link
If you’re not sure who to ask to be your countersignatory
Call the Passport
Adviceline.
If anyone knows what you can do, surely they will.
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
1
Maybe it would be good to have the actual advice given by the Passport Adviceline in the answer, if possible? As it stands, this answer doesn't really provide anything over the quite inadequate advice given on the page the question asker linked.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
2
@MJeffryes I agree. I don't, however, know what it is. Maybe it's information on what they consider to be 'a person of good standing in their community', and the answer is so comical that they don't want to publish it?
– AakashM
5 hours ago
Why not call them and publish what they have to say?
– JonathanReez♦
3 hours ago
6
@MJeffryes The advice would be specific to the situation of the asker. If there was a generic answer, you wouldn't have to phone up to get that advice -- it would already be in the written guidance.
– David Richerby
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
11
down vote
up vote
11
down vote
It says on that very page you link
If you’re not sure who to ask to be your countersignatory
Call the Passport
Adviceline.
If anyone knows what you can do, surely they will.
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
It says on that very page you link
If you’re not sure who to ask to be your countersignatory
Call the Passport
Adviceline.
If anyone knows what you can do, surely they will.
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
answered 5 hours ago
AakashM
3,40911829
3,40911829
1
Maybe it would be good to have the actual advice given by the Passport Adviceline in the answer, if possible? As it stands, this answer doesn't really provide anything over the quite inadequate advice given on the page the question asker linked.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
2
@MJeffryes I agree. I don't, however, know what it is. Maybe it's information on what they consider to be 'a person of good standing in their community', and the answer is so comical that they don't want to publish it?
– AakashM
5 hours ago
Why not call them and publish what they have to say?
– JonathanReez♦
3 hours ago
6
@MJeffryes The advice would be specific to the situation of the asker. If there was a generic answer, you wouldn't have to phone up to get that advice -- it would already be in the written guidance.
– David Richerby
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
1
Maybe it would be good to have the actual advice given by the Passport Adviceline in the answer, if possible? As it stands, this answer doesn't really provide anything over the quite inadequate advice given on the page the question asker linked.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
2
@MJeffryes I agree. I don't, however, know what it is. Maybe it's information on what they consider to be 'a person of good standing in their community', and the answer is so comical that they don't want to publish it?
– AakashM
5 hours ago
Why not call them and publish what they have to say?
– JonathanReez♦
3 hours ago
6
@MJeffryes The advice would be specific to the situation of the asker. If there was a generic answer, you wouldn't have to phone up to get that advice -- it would already be in the written guidance.
– David Richerby
2 hours ago
1
1
Maybe it would be good to have the actual advice given by the Passport Adviceline in the answer, if possible? As it stands, this answer doesn't really provide anything over the quite inadequate advice given on the page the question asker linked.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
Maybe it would be good to have the actual advice given by the Passport Adviceline in the answer, if possible? As it stands, this answer doesn't really provide anything over the quite inadequate advice given on the page the question asker linked.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
2
2
@MJeffryes I agree. I don't, however, know what it is. Maybe it's information on what they consider to be 'a person of good standing in their community', and the answer is so comical that they don't want to publish it?
– AakashM
5 hours ago
@MJeffryes I agree. I don't, however, know what it is. Maybe it's information on what they consider to be 'a person of good standing in their community', and the answer is so comical that they don't want to publish it?
– AakashM
5 hours ago
Why not call them and publish what they have to say?
– JonathanReez♦
3 hours ago
Why not call them and publish what they have to say?
– JonathanReez♦
3 hours ago
6
6
@MJeffryes The advice would be specific to the situation of the asker. If there was a generic answer, you wouldn't have to phone up to get that advice -- it would already be in the written guidance.
– David Richerby
2 hours ago
@MJeffryes The advice would be specific to the situation of the asker. If there was a generic answer, you wouldn't have to phone up to get that advice -- it would already be in the written guidance.
– David Richerby
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Note that there is no stated maximum period that you can be out of contact of with the person, before they can't counter-sign the application.
Is there any suitable person that you're out of contact with? The owner of a cafe, the owner of your previous employer, someone at your mosque (I assume, based on your name, that likely to be your religion)?
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Note that there is no stated maximum period that you can be out of contact of with the person, before they can't counter-sign the application.
Is there any suitable person that you're out of contact with? The owner of a cafe, the owner of your previous employer, someone at your mosque (I assume, based on your name, that likely to be your religion)?
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Note that there is no stated maximum period that you can be out of contact of with the person, before they can't counter-sign the application.
Is there any suitable person that you're out of contact with? The owner of a cafe, the owner of your previous employer, someone at your mosque (I assume, based on your name, that likely to be your religion)?
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
Note that there is no stated maximum period that you can be out of contact of with the person, before they can't counter-sign the application.
Is there any suitable person that you're out of contact with? The owner of a cafe, the owner of your previous employer, someone at your mosque (I assume, based on your name, that likely to be your religion)?
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
answered 1 hour ago
CSM
1,037310
1,037310
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
up vote
-1
down vote
In my experience with UK Passports for children, which I would venture to say is more than ordinarily extensive, the most difficult requirement for countersignatories is the sheer amount of writing he or she must fit onto the passport photograph.
The list of "Recognised professions" is so extensive, it is rather surprising that you do not know any such person. That said, however, the list is not comprehensive - it does preface the list as "Examples". In addition, the advice further allows that the countersignatory merely be 'a person of good standing in their community'.
This sounds to be a rather easy requirement to satisfy.
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |Â
up vote
-1
down vote
In my experience with UK Passports for children, which I would venture to say is more than ordinarily extensive, the most difficult requirement for countersignatories is the sheer amount of writing he or she must fit onto the passport photograph.
The list of "Recognised professions" is so extensive, it is rather surprising that you do not know any such person. That said, however, the list is not comprehensive - it does preface the list as "Examples". In addition, the advice further allows that the countersignatory merely be 'a person of good standing in their community'.
This sounds to be a rather easy requirement to satisfy.
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |Â
up vote
-1
down vote
up vote
-1
down vote
In my experience with UK Passports for children, which I would venture to say is more than ordinarily extensive, the most difficult requirement for countersignatories is the sheer amount of writing he or she must fit onto the passport photograph.
The list of "Recognised professions" is so extensive, it is rather surprising that you do not know any such person. That said, however, the list is not comprehensive - it does preface the list as "Examples". In addition, the advice further allows that the countersignatory merely be 'a person of good standing in their community'.
This sounds to be a rather easy requirement to satisfy.
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
In my experience with UK Passports for children, which I would venture to say is more than ordinarily extensive, the most difficult requirement for countersignatories is the sheer amount of writing he or she must fit onto the passport photograph.
The list of "Recognised professions" is so extensive, it is rather surprising that you do not know any such person. That said, however, the list is not comprehensive - it does preface the list as "Examples". In addition, the advice further allows that the countersignatory merely be 'a person of good standing in their community'.
This sounds to be a rather easy requirement to satisfy.
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
answered 1 hour ago
Phrate
11
11
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Phrate is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
akbar hussain is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
akbar hussain is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
akbar hussain is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
akbar hussain is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2ftravel.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f124151%2fwhat-can-be-done-if-there-is-no-one-that-could-countersign-kids-picture-for-a-br%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
3
Have you considered using "a person of good standing in their community" instead of someone in a recognized profession?
– Patricia Shanahan
6 hours ago
@PatriciaShanahan What does that even mean though? The page linked doesn't attempt to explain, which suggests that even the passport office aren't sure.
– MJeffryes
5 hours ago
@MJeffryes It seems that it's not that they're unsure, it's that they recognise it's not really possible to define all possible cases (if they could, you could just put them on the explicit list of approved people). There's some (internal?) guidance on it here. "a person who enjoys a good reputation in the community ... has credentials that can be checked ... and who would have something to lose by wrongly countersigning".
– Andrew
3 hours ago
1
Some people move around so much that they never get to be known by an approved person. What can they do in that case?
– Willeke♦
2 hours ago
@AzorAhai Yes the last link says so. - my passport was signed by a GP which would not be allowed now and I moved school so had not been there 2 years - so how would I get one now?
– Mark
1 hour ago