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In the US, is there a way for a pilot to legally “maneuver at will†in actual IMC?
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In the US, is there a way for a pilot to legally "maneuver at will" in actual IMC? Let's say you want to practice a series of reversing 360-degree turns and not have to communicate every change in heading to a controller or follow a controller's step-by-step instructions.
For example, is there such a thing as an IMC "practice area" where only one aircraft at a time is allowed to operate under IFR?
Also, is there a distinction between controlled and uncontrolled airspace in this regard?
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In the US, is there a way for a pilot to legally "maneuver at will" in actual IMC? Let's say you want to practice a series of reversing 360-degree turns and not have to communicate every change in heading to a controller or follow a controller's step-by-step instructions.
For example, is there such a thing as an IMC "practice area" where only one aircraft at a time is allowed to operate under IFR?
Also, is there a distinction between controlled and uncontrolled airspace in this regard?
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Granted, most uncontrolled airspace is rather near the ground, not the ideal place to practice-- but a few spots do exist where the floor of the Class E is higher than 1200' AGL--
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In the US, is there a way for a pilot to legally "maneuver at will" in actual IMC? Let's say you want to practice a series of reversing 360-degree turns and not have to communicate every change in heading to a controller or follow a controller's step-by-step instructions.
For example, is there such a thing as an IMC "practice area" where only one aircraft at a time is allowed to operate under IFR?
Also, is there a distinction between controlled and uncontrolled airspace in this regard?
faa-regulations flight-training instrument-flight-rules instrument-procedures
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quiet flyer
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In the US, is there a way for a pilot to legally "maneuver at will" in actual IMC? Let's say you want to practice a series of reversing 360-degree turns and not have to communicate every change in heading to a controller or follow a controller's step-by-step instructions.
For example, is there such a thing as an IMC "practice area" where only one aircraft at a time is allowed to operate under IFR?
Also, is there a distinction between controlled and uncontrolled airspace in this regard?
faa-regulations flight-training instrument-flight-rules instrument-procedures
faa-regulations flight-training instrument-flight-rules instrument-procedures
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quiet flyer
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quiet flyer
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quiet flyer
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Granted, most uncontrolled airspace is rather near the ground, not the ideal place to practice-- but a few spots do exist where the floor of the Class E is higher than 1200' AGL--
– quiet flyer
1 hour ago
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Granted, most uncontrolled airspace is rather near the ground, not the ideal place to practice-- but a few spots do exist where the floor of the Class E is higher than 1200' AGL--
– quiet flyer
1 hour ago
Granted, most uncontrolled airspace is rather near the ground, not the ideal place to practice-- but a few spots do exist where the floor of the Class E is higher than 1200' AGL--
– quiet flyer
1 hour ago
Granted, most uncontrolled airspace is rather near the ground, not the ideal place to practice-- but a few spots do exist where the floor of the Class E is higher than 1200' AGL--
– quiet flyer
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You don't have to have permission to fly in IMC in uncontrolled airspace, you must have an instrument rating and be in an IFR certified airplane. In uncontrolled airspace you fly into IMC as you like, and perform whatever maneuvers you want. It's a very good idea to get flight following so you can get traffic warnings if you decide to go that route.
You do need to get permission to fly in controlled airspace, whether VFR or IFR. If you want to practice in IFR you'd need to explain your mission to ATC and get a clearance. If ATC has the space and the time they will give you a clearance for a specific area and perhaps a block altitude if you want to climb and descend. There aren't officially designated areas for practice, but if you ask local instructors they will tell you where they usually go. Most of the time the preference is to get out of controlled airspace if possible, it's just easier.
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You might have better luck working with a controller at a Class D tower near you, or maybe Class C. Find an intersection or something identifiable from an approach plate that's in their airspace, request the maneuvers you want. They can have you report in as you maneuver, and yet still have control if they need room for some one actually landing, or keep you clear of transiting traffice, etc.
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Yes. You can requests a local IFR, or quadrant clearance and then receive a clearance for a region, such as:
CLEARED TO FLY (general direction from NAVAID) OF (NAVAID name and
type) BETWEEN (specified) COURSES TO/BEARINGS FROM/RADIALS
(NAVAID name when a NDB) WITHIN (number of miles) MILE RADIUS,
And an example:
“Cleared to fly east of Allentown VORTAC between the zero four five
and the one three five radials within four zero mile radius.â€Â
Both are from FAA Order JO 7110.65W 4-1-1
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3 Answers
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You don't have to have permission to fly in IMC in uncontrolled airspace, you must have an instrument rating and be in an IFR certified airplane. In uncontrolled airspace you fly into IMC as you like, and perform whatever maneuvers you want. It's a very good idea to get flight following so you can get traffic warnings if you decide to go that route.
You do need to get permission to fly in controlled airspace, whether VFR or IFR. If you want to practice in IFR you'd need to explain your mission to ATC and get a clearance. If ATC has the space and the time they will give you a clearance for a specific area and perhaps a block altitude if you want to climb and descend. There aren't officially designated areas for practice, but if you ask local instructors they will tell you where they usually go. Most of the time the preference is to get out of controlled airspace if possible, it's just easier.
answered 1 hour ago
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You don't have to have permission to fly in IMC in uncontrolled airspace, you must have an instrument rating and be in an IFR certified airplane. In uncontrolled airspace you fly into IMC as you like, and perform whatever maneuvers you want. It's a very good idea to get flight following so you can get traffic warnings if you decide to go that route.
You do need to get permission to fly in controlled airspace, whether VFR or IFR. If you want to practice in IFR you'd need to explain your mission to ATC and get a clearance. If ATC has the space and the time they will give you a clearance for a specific area and perhaps a block altitude if you want to climb and descend. There aren't officially designated areas for practice, but if you ask local instructors they will tell you where they usually go. Most of the time the preference is to get out of controlled airspace if possible, it's just easier.
answered 1 hour ago
GdD
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up vote
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You don't have to have permission to fly in IMC in uncontrolled airspace, you must have an instrument rating and be in an IFR certified airplane. In uncontrolled airspace you fly into IMC as you like, and perform whatever maneuvers you want. It's a very good idea to get flight following so you can get traffic warnings if you decide to go that route.
You do need to get permission to fly in controlled airspace, whether VFR or IFR. If you want to practice in IFR you'd need to explain your mission to ATC and get a clearance. If ATC has the space and the time they will give you a clearance for a specific area and perhaps a block altitude if you want to climb and descend. There aren't officially designated areas for practice, but if you ask local instructors they will tell you where they usually go. Most of the time the preference is to get out of controlled airspace if possible, it's just easier.
answered 1 hour ago
GdD
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You don't have to have permission to fly in IMC in uncontrolled airspace, you must have an instrument rating and be in an IFR certified airplane. In uncontrolled airspace you fly into IMC as you like, and perform whatever maneuvers you want. It's a very good idea to get flight following so you can get traffic warnings if you decide to go that route.
You do need to get permission to fly in controlled airspace, whether VFR or IFR. If you want to practice in IFR you'd need to explain your mission to ATC and get a clearance. If ATC has the space and the time they will give you a clearance for a specific area and perhaps a block altitude if you want to climb and descend. There aren't officially designated areas for practice, but if you ask local instructors they will tell you where they usually go. Most of the time the preference is to get out of controlled airspace if possible, it's just easier.
answered 1 hour ago
GdD
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GdD
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GdD
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answered 1 hour ago
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You might have better luck working with a controller at a Class D tower near you, or maybe Class C. Find an intersection or something identifiable from an approach plate that's in their airspace, request the maneuvers you want. They can have you report in as you maneuver, and yet still have control if they need room for some one actually landing, or keep you clear of transiting traffice, etc.
answered 1 hour ago
CrossRoads
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up vote
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You might have better luck working with a controller at a Class D tower near you, or maybe Class C. Find an intersection or something identifiable from an approach plate that's in their airspace, request the maneuvers you want. They can have you report in as you maneuver, and yet still have control if they need room for some one actually landing, or keep you clear of transiting traffice, etc.
answered 1 hour ago
CrossRoads
3,4561315
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
You might have better luck working with a controller at a Class D tower near you, or maybe Class C. Find an intersection or something identifiable from an approach plate that's in their airspace, request the maneuvers you want. They can have you report in as you maneuver, and yet still have control if they need room for some one actually landing, or keep you clear of transiting traffice, etc.
answered 1 hour ago
CrossRoads
3,4561315
You might have better luck working with a controller at a Class D tower near you, or maybe Class C. Find an intersection or something identifiable from an approach plate that's in their airspace, request the maneuvers you want. They can have you report in as you maneuver, and yet still have control if they need room for some one actually landing, or keep you clear of transiting traffice, etc.
answered 1 hour ago
CrossRoads
3,4561315
answered 1 hour ago
CrossRoads
3,4561315
answered 1 hour ago
CrossRoads
3,4561315
answered 1 hour ago
CrossRoads
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3,4561315
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Yes. You can requests a local IFR, or quadrant clearance and then receive a clearance for a region, such as:
CLEARED TO FLY (general direction from NAVAID) OF (NAVAID name and
type) BETWEEN (specified) COURSES TO/BEARINGS FROM/RADIALS
(NAVAID name when a NDB) WITHIN (number of miles) MILE RADIUS,
And an example:
“Cleared to fly east of Allentown VORTAC between the zero four five
and the one three five radials within four zero mile radius.â€Â
Both are from FAA Order JO 7110.65W 4-1-1
answered 59 mins ago
Adam
1,18559
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Yes. You can requests a local IFR, or quadrant clearance and then receive a clearance for a region, such as:
CLEARED TO FLY (general direction from NAVAID) OF (NAVAID name and
type) BETWEEN (specified) COURSES TO/BEARINGS FROM/RADIALS
(NAVAID name when a NDB) WITHIN (number of miles) MILE RADIUS,
And an example:
“Cleared to fly east of Allentown VORTAC between the zero four five
and the one three five radials within four zero mile radius.â€Â
Both are from FAA Order JO 7110.65W 4-1-1
answered 59 mins ago
Adam
1,18559
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Yes. You can requests a local IFR, or quadrant clearance and then receive a clearance for a region, such as:
CLEARED TO FLY (general direction from NAVAID) OF (NAVAID name and
type) BETWEEN (specified) COURSES TO/BEARINGS FROM/RADIALS
(NAVAID name when a NDB) WITHIN (number of miles) MILE RADIUS,
And an example:
“Cleared to fly east of Allentown VORTAC between the zero four five
and the one three five radials within four zero mile radius.â€Â
Both are from FAA Order JO 7110.65W 4-1-1
answered 59 mins ago
Adam
1,18559
Yes. You can requests a local IFR, or quadrant clearance and then receive a clearance for a region, such as:
CLEARED TO FLY (general direction from NAVAID) OF (NAVAID name and
type) BETWEEN (specified) COURSES TO/BEARINGS FROM/RADIALS
(NAVAID name when a NDB) WITHIN (number of miles) MILE RADIUS,
And an example:
“Cleared to fly east of Allentown VORTAC between the zero four five
and the one three five radials within four zero mile radius.â€Â
Both are from FAA Order JO 7110.65W 4-1-1
answered 59 mins ago
Adam
1,18559
answered 59 mins ago
Adam
1,18559
answered 59 mins ago
Adam
1,18559
answered 59 mins ago
Adam
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Granted, most uncontrolled airspace is rather near the ground, not the ideal place to practice-- but a few spots do exist where the floor of the Class E is higher than 1200' AGL--
– quiet flyer
1 hour ago