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I am interested in whether (and if yes, how?) you would go about contacting an employee on sick leave in this very specific situation:
There are three people involved: CEO Carl, Manager Mike and Employee Eric.
Eric calls in sick on Monday. Mike and Carl have good reason to believe Eric is not really sick but rather venting off anger originating from a dispute with Carl.
Eric is scheduled to attend a conference on Tuesday. Eric did not mention whether he'll be back on Tuesday to attend the conference. So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Before Carl and Mike give the conference ticket to someone else: do they contact Eric to find out whether he'll be attending the conference? Note that this conference is one of the yearly highlights for Eric; Mike is aware of that.
Specifically in German legislation: how would they have to phrase the question so that they don't get in conflict with the law?
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I am interested in whether (and if yes, how?) you would go about contacting an employee on sick leave in this very specific situation:
There are three people involved: CEO Carl, Manager Mike and Employee Eric.
Eric calls in sick on Monday. Mike and Carl have good reason to believe Eric is not really sick but rather venting off anger originating from a dispute with Carl.
Eric is scheduled to attend a conference on Tuesday. Eric did not mention whether he'll be back on Tuesday to attend the conference. So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Before Carl and Mike give the conference ticket to someone else: do they contact Eric to find out whether he'll be attending the conference? Note that this conference is one of the yearly highlights for Eric; Mike is aware of that.
Specifically in German legislation: how would they have to phrase the question so that they don't get in conflict with the law?
communication germany sickness time-off
edited 25 mins ago
DarkCygnus
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asked 38 mins ago
marstato
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@JoeStrazzere this is happening to a friend who i called eric in this question. His manager did not contact him. I am trying to gauge the situation so i can maybe help deescalate.
– marstato
19 mins ago
So is Eric actually sick or is this a ploy? What is there to deescalate here?
– Joe Strazzere
13 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere Eric is very upset about missing out on the conference. I had the slight hope that this question might rise some points in favor of the employer so i could help him understand why things happened the way they did. Also, i don't think it matters whether eric was actually sick. What matters is what the employer thinks.
– marstato
5 mins ago
Okay. So that tells me that Eric wasn't sick. I think you shouldn't have been deceptive about the question and should have written the truth about what actually happened.
– Joe Strazzere
2 mins ago
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I am interested in whether (and if yes, how?) you would go about contacting an employee on sick leave in this very specific situation:
There are three people involved: CEO Carl, Manager Mike and Employee Eric.
Eric calls in sick on Monday. Mike and Carl have good reason to believe Eric is not really sick but rather venting off anger originating from a dispute with Carl.
Eric is scheduled to attend a conference on Tuesday. Eric did not mention whether he'll be back on Tuesday to attend the conference. So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Before Carl and Mike give the conference ticket to someone else: do they contact Eric to find out whether he'll be attending the conference? Note that this conference is one of the yearly highlights for Eric; Mike is aware of that.
Specifically in German legislation: how would they have to phrase the question so that they don't get in conflict with the law?
communication germany sickness time-off
edited 25 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
asked 38 mins ago
marstato
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I am interested in whether (and if yes, how?) you would go about contacting an employee on sick leave in this very specific situation:
There are three people involved: CEO Carl, Manager Mike and Employee Eric.
Eric calls in sick on Monday. Mike and Carl have good reason to believe Eric is not really sick but rather venting off anger originating from a dispute with Carl.
Eric is scheduled to attend a conference on Tuesday. Eric did not mention whether he'll be back on Tuesday to attend the conference. So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Before Carl and Mike give the conference ticket to someone else: do they contact Eric to find out whether he'll be attending the conference? Note that this conference is one of the yearly highlights for Eric; Mike is aware of that.
Specifically in German legislation: how would they have to phrase the question so that they don't get in conflict with the law?
communication germany sickness time-off
communication germany sickness time-off
edited 25 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
asked 38 mins ago
marstato
1345
edited 25 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
asked 38 mins ago
marstato
1345
edited 25 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
edited 25 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
edited 25 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
30.9k1359134
asked 38 mins ago
marstato
1345
asked 38 mins ago
marstato
1345
asked 38 mins ago
marstato
1345
1345
@JoeStrazzere this is happening to a friend who i called eric in this question. His manager did not contact him. I am trying to gauge the situation so i can maybe help deescalate.
– marstato
19 mins ago
So is Eric actually sick or is this a ploy? What is there to deescalate here?
– Joe Strazzere
13 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere Eric is very upset about missing out on the conference. I had the slight hope that this question might rise some points in favor of the employer so i could help him understand why things happened the way they did. Also, i don't think it matters whether eric was actually sick. What matters is what the employer thinks.
– marstato
5 mins ago
Okay. So that tells me that Eric wasn't sick. I think you shouldn't have been deceptive about the question and should have written the truth about what actually happened.
– Joe Strazzere
2 mins ago
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@JoeStrazzere this is happening to a friend who i called eric in this question. His manager did not contact him. I am trying to gauge the situation so i can maybe help deescalate.
– marstato
19 mins ago
So is Eric actually sick or is this a ploy? What is there to deescalate here?
– Joe Strazzere
13 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere Eric is very upset about missing out on the conference. I had the slight hope that this question might rise some points in favor of the employer so i could help him understand why things happened the way they did. Also, i don't think it matters whether eric was actually sick. What matters is what the employer thinks.
– marstato
5 mins ago
Okay. So that tells me that Eric wasn't sick. I think you shouldn't have been deceptive about the question and should have written the truth about what actually happened.
– Joe Strazzere
2 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere this is happening to a friend who i called eric in this question. His manager did not contact him. I am trying to gauge the situation so i can maybe help deescalate.
– marstato
19 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere this is happening to a friend who i called eric in this question. His manager did not contact him. I am trying to gauge the situation so i can maybe help deescalate.
– marstato
19 mins ago
So is Eric actually sick or is this a ploy? What is there to deescalate here?
– Joe Strazzere
13 mins ago
So is Eric actually sick or is this a ploy? What is there to deescalate here?
– Joe Strazzere
13 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere Eric is very upset about missing out on the conference. I had the slight hope that this question might rise some points in favor of the employer so i could help him understand why things happened the way they did. Also, i don't think it matters whether eric was actually sick. What matters is what the employer thinks.
– marstato
5 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere Eric is very upset about missing out on the conference. I had the slight hope that this question might rise some points in favor of the employer so i could help him understand why things happened the way they did. Also, i don't think it matters whether eric was actually sick. What matters is what the employer thinks.
– marstato
5 mins ago
Okay. So that tells me that Eric wasn't sick. I think you shouldn't have been deceptive about the question and should have written the truth about what actually happened.
– Joe Strazzere
2 mins ago
Okay. So that tells me that Eric wasn't sick. I think you shouldn't have been deceptive about the question and should have written the truth about what actually happened.
– Joe Strazzere
2 mins ago
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IANAL and I am not German.
If Mike and/or Carl have Eric's contact information, then they could just call him and ask: "Hey, we heard you're sick, are you going to make it to the conference?" In my estimation, the "we heard that" does not violate privacy laws; if a person is away from the office on unscheduled vacation, the common thing to hear (at least in my experience) is that the person is sick. Using company-usual contact methods (company email, internal chat, etc) is preferable if it is reasonable to believe that Eric will access those things while sick.
If Carl and Mike make a reasonable effort to contact Eric, and there is no response, then (imo) Carl and Mike can give away Eric's ticket. But first Carl and Mike should make their best good-faith effort to contact Eric to check if his illness is going to take him out of commission the day of the conference (sometimes you just don't feel well one day and want to skip work but are not actually "sick"; just because Eric comes in the next day perfectly healthy does not mean he lied about taking a sick day).
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So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Don't assume, ask.
Eric already called in sick, so try contacting him by that same mean. Consider giving him a call in case there is a chance he won't see his email.
Now, being written or spoken, try something in the lines of:
Hello Eric. Sorry to hear you feel sick, I hope you get well soon. Just remember that tomorrow is the conference, so tell us if you don't think you will make it.
answered 27 mins ago
DarkCygnus
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2 Answers
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oldest
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2 Answers
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IANAL and I am not German.
If Mike and/or Carl have Eric's contact information, then they could just call him and ask: "Hey, we heard you're sick, are you going to make it to the conference?" In my estimation, the "we heard that" does not violate privacy laws; if a person is away from the office on unscheduled vacation, the common thing to hear (at least in my experience) is that the person is sick. Using company-usual contact methods (company email, internal chat, etc) is preferable if it is reasonable to believe that Eric will access those things while sick.
If Carl and Mike make a reasonable effort to contact Eric, and there is no response, then (imo) Carl and Mike can give away Eric's ticket. But first Carl and Mike should make their best good-faith effort to contact Eric to check if his illness is going to take him out of commission the day of the conference (sometimes you just don't feel well one day and want to skip work but are not actually "sick"; just because Eric comes in the next day perfectly healthy does not mean he lied about taking a sick day).
answered 29 mins ago
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IANAL and I am not German.
If Mike and/or Carl have Eric's contact information, then they could just call him and ask: "Hey, we heard you're sick, are you going to make it to the conference?" In my estimation, the "we heard that" does not violate privacy laws; if a person is away from the office on unscheduled vacation, the common thing to hear (at least in my experience) is that the person is sick. Using company-usual contact methods (company email, internal chat, etc) is preferable if it is reasonable to believe that Eric will access those things while sick.
If Carl and Mike make a reasonable effort to contact Eric, and there is no response, then (imo) Carl and Mike can give away Eric's ticket. But first Carl and Mike should make their best good-faith effort to contact Eric to check if his illness is going to take him out of commission the day of the conference (sometimes you just don't feel well one day and want to skip work but are not actually "sick"; just because Eric comes in the next day perfectly healthy does not mean he lied about taking a sick day).
answered 29 mins ago
Ertai87
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IANAL and I am not German.
If Mike and/or Carl have Eric's contact information, then they could just call him and ask: "Hey, we heard you're sick, are you going to make it to the conference?" In my estimation, the "we heard that" does not violate privacy laws; if a person is away from the office on unscheduled vacation, the common thing to hear (at least in my experience) is that the person is sick. Using company-usual contact methods (company email, internal chat, etc) is preferable if it is reasonable to believe that Eric will access those things while sick.
If Carl and Mike make a reasonable effort to contact Eric, and there is no response, then (imo) Carl and Mike can give away Eric's ticket. But first Carl and Mike should make their best good-faith effort to contact Eric to check if his illness is going to take him out of commission the day of the conference (sometimes you just don't feel well one day and want to skip work but are not actually "sick"; just because Eric comes in the next day perfectly healthy does not mean he lied about taking a sick day).
answered 29 mins ago
Ertai87
4,492417
IANAL and I am not German.
If Mike and/or Carl have Eric's contact information, then they could just call him and ask: "Hey, we heard you're sick, are you going to make it to the conference?" In my estimation, the "we heard that" does not violate privacy laws; if a person is away from the office on unscheduled vacation, the common thing to hear (at least in my experience) is that the person is sick. Using company-usual contact methods (company email, internal chat, etc) is preferable if it is reasonable to believe that Eric will access those things while sick.
If Carl and Mike make a reasonable effort to contact Eric, and there is no response, then (imo) Carl and Mike can give away Eric's ticket. But first Carl and Mike should make their best good-faith effort to contact Eric to check if his illness is going to take him out of commission the day of the conference (sometimes you just don't feel well one day and want to skip work but are not actually "sick"; just because Eric comes in the next day perfectly healthy does not mean he lied about taking a sick day).
answered 29 mins ago
Ertai87
4,492417
answered 29 mins ago
Ertai87
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answered 29 mins ago
Ertai87
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answered 29 mins ago
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So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Don't assume, ask.
Eric already called in sick, so try contacting him by that same mean. Consider giving him a call in case there is a chance he won't see his email.
Now, being written or spoken, try something in the lines of:
Hello Eric. Sorry to hear you feel sick, I hope you get well soon. Just remember that tomorrow is the conference, so tell us if you don't think you will make it.
answered 27 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
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up vote
3
down vote
So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Don't assume, ask.
Eric already called in sick, so try contacting him by that same mean. Consider giving him a call in case there is a chance he won't see his email.
Now, being written or spoken, try something in the lines of:
Hello Eric. Sorry to hear you feel sick, I hope you get well soon. Just remember that tomorrow is the conference, so tell us if you don't think you will make it.
answered 27 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Don't assume, ask.
Eric already called in sick, so try contacting him by that same mean. Consider giving him a call in case there is a chance he won't see his email.
Now, being written or spoken, try something in the lines of:
Hello Eric. Sorry to hear you feel sick, I hope you get well soon. Just remember that tomorrow is the conference, so tell us if you don't think you will make it.
answered 27 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
So Carl and Mike have to assume that he'll not attend and thus have a conference ticket to spare.
Don't assume, ask.
Eric already called in sick, so try contacting him by that same mean. Consider giving him a call in case there is a chance he won't see his email.
Now, being written or spoken, try something in the lines of:
Hello Eric. Sorry to hear you feel sick, I hope you get well soon. Just remember that tomorrow is the conference, so tell us if you don't think you will make it.
answered 27 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
answered 27 mins ago
DarkCygnus
30.9k1359134
answered 27 mins ago
DarkCygnus
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answered 27 mins ago
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@JoeStrazzere this is happening to a friend who i called eric in this question. His manager did not contact him. I am trying to gauge the situation so i can maybe help deescalate.
– marstato
19 mins ago
So is Eric actually sick or is this a ploy? What is there to deescalate here?
– Joe Strazzere
13 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere Eric is very upset about missing out on the conference. I had the slight hope that this question might rise some points in favor of the employer so i could help him understand why things happened the way they did. Also, i don't think it matters whether eric was actually sick. What matters is what the employer thinks.
– marstato
5 mins ago
Okay. So that tells me that Eric wasn't sick. I think you shouldn't have been deceptive about the question and should have written the truth about what actually happened.
– Joe Strazzere
2 mins ago