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My novel has approximately a dozen women in it, but they don’t tend to talk to each other. Most of them are separated geographically or philosophically and sitting down for a chat does not seem something they would do as they are busy doing other things.
I have two scenes; in one a kidnapper is asking advice from a teenage girl who has a boyfriend on how to attract the notice of the MC - probably fails the test, but essential scene.
The second scene is one where two lifelong friends are watching their sons compete and are discussing an impending foreclosure and then one misconstrues the intent of the other, who was watching her brother, as something potentially romantic. No romantic interest was involved, but the friend has just assessed qualities in the MC she needs for a guardian for her son.
Would that scene fail the Bechdel test?
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My novel has approximately a dozen women in it, but they don’t tend to talk to each other. Most of them are separated geographically or philosophically and sitting down for a chat does not seem something they would do as they are busy doing other things.
I have two scenes; in one a kidnapper is asking advice from a teenage girl who has a boyfriend on how to attract the notice of the MC - probably fails the test, but essential scene.
The second scene is one where two lifelong friends are watching their sons compete and are discussing an impending foreclosure and then one misconstrues the intent of the other, who was watching her brother, as something potentially romantic. No romantic interest was involved, but the friend has just assessed qualities in the MC she needs for a guardian for her son.
Would that scene fail the Bechdel test?
characters plot character-development
asked 2 hours ago
Rasdashan
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Why is the Bechdel test so important to you? Why does it matter to you if your story passes or fails? In particular, why does it matter to you if it passes or fails, if its passing depends on one scene in the entire novel that maybe qualifies?
– Galastel
1 hour ago
More curiosity, really. If it fails, I won’t change those scenes. My characters are intriguing and most of the women are smarter than the men they deal with and it is working.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
2
The bechdel test was quite a stupid and useless invention.... many feminist movie do actually fail this test.
– Eries
1 hour ago
@Eries LOL Bechdel is a lesbian test, not a feminist one. Notice the difference between the two answers (Lauren and Amadeus). Bechdel is happy if all the women talk about is bewbs or another woman they hope to bang. Bechdel just wants women to do ANYTHING besides serve as ancillary commenters on important man-stuff, or scheming how to land a man, because these are such clichés and because it illustrates how ancillary they are (see also Maid and Butler dialog). The OP fails Bechdel obviously.
– wetcircuit
45 mins ago
2
Eries and wetcircuit, please keep in mind the Code of Conduct. It's fine to disagree, but let's all be professional about it.
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My novel has approximately a dozen women in it, but they don’t tend to talk to each other. Most of them are separated geographically or philosophically and sitting down for a chat does not seem something they would do as they are busy doing other things.
I have two scenes; in one a kidnapper is asking advice from a teenage girl who has a boyfriend on how to attract the notice of the MC - probably fails the test, but essential scene.
The second scene is one where two lifelong friends are watching their sons compete and are discussing an impending foreclosure and then one misconstrues the intent of the other, who was watching her brother, as something potentially romantic. No romantic interest was involved, but the friend has just assessed qualities in the MC she needs for a guardian for her son.
Would that scene fail the Bechdel test?
characters plot character-development
asked 2 hours ago
Rasdashan
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My novel has approximately a dozen women in it, but they don’t tend to talk to each other. Most of them are separated geographically or philosophically and sitting down for a chat does not seem something they would do as they are busy doing other things.
I have two scenes; in one a kidnapper is asking advice from a teenage girl who has a boyfriend on how to attract the notice of the MC - probably fails the test, but essential scene.
The second scene is one where two lifelong friends are watching their sons compete and are discussing an impending foreclosure and then one misconstrues the intent of the other, who was watching her brother, as something potentially romantic. No romantic interest was involved, but the friend has just assessed qualities in the MC she needs for a guardian for her son.
Would that scene fail the Bechdel test?
characters plot character-development
characters plot character-development
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Rasdashan
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asked 2 hours ago
Rasdashan
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asked 2 hours ago
Rasdashan
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Rasdashan
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Rasdashan
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Why is the Bechdel test so important to you? Why does it matter to you if your story passes or fails? In particular, why does it matter to you if it passes or fails, if its passing depends on one scene in the entire novel that maybe qualifies?
– Galastel
1 hour ago
More curiosity, really. If it fails, I won’t change those scenes. My characters are intriguing and most of the women are smarter than the men they deal with and it is working.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
2
The bechdel test was quite a stupid and useless invention.... many feminist movie do actually fail this test.
– Eries
1 hour ago
@Eries LOL Bechdel is a lesbian test, not a feminist one. Notice the difference between the two answers (Lauren and Amadeus). Bechdel is happy if all the women talk about is bewbs or another woman they hope to bang. Bechdel just wants women to do ANYTHING besides serve as ancillary commenters on important man-stuff, or scheming how to land a man, because these are such clichés and because it illustrates how ancillary they are (see also Maid and Butler dialog). The OP fails Bechdel obviously.
– wetcircuit
45 mins ago
2
Eries and wetcircuit, please keep in mind the Code of Conduct. It's fine to disagree, but let's all be professional about it.
– Î± CVn♦
36 mins ago
 |Â
show 5 more comments
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Why is the Bechdel test so important to you? Why does it matter to you if your story passes or fails? In particular, why does it matter to you if it passes or fails, if its passing depends on one scene in the entire novel that maybe qualifies?
– Galastel
1 hour ago
More curiosity, really. If it fails, I won’t change those scenes. My characters are intriguing and most of the women are smarter than the men they deal with and it is working.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
2
The bechdel test was quite a stupid and useless invention.... many feminist movie do actually fail this test.
– Eries
1 hour ago
@Eries LOL Bechdel is a lesbian test, not a feminist one. Notice the difference between the two answers (Lauren and Amadeus). Bechdel is happy if all the women talk about is bewbs or another woman they hope to bang. Bechdel just wants women to do ANYTHING besides serve as ancillary commenters on important man-stuff, or scheming how to land a man, because these are such clichés and because it illustrates how ancillary they are (see also Maid and Butler dialog). The OP fails Bechdel obviously.
– wetcircuit
45 mins ago
2
Eries and wetcircuit, please keep in mind the Code of Conduct. It's fine to disagree, but let's all be professional about it.
– Î± CVn♦
36 mins ago
2
2
Why is the Bechdel test so important to you? Why does it matter to you if your story passes or fails? In particular, why does it matter to you if it passes or fails, if its passing depends on one scene in the entire novel that maybe qualifies?
– Galastel
1 hour ago
Why is the Bechdel test so important to you? Why does it matter to you if your story passes or fails? In particular, why does it matter to you if it passes or fails, if its passing depends on one scene in the entire novel that maybe qualifies?
– Galastel
1 hour ago
More curiosity, really. If it fails, I won’t change those scenes. My characters are intriguing and most of the women are smarter than the men they deal with and it is working.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
More curiosity, really. If it fails, I won’t change those scenes. My characters are intriguing and most of the women are smarter than the men they deal with and it is working.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
2
2
The bechdel test was quite a stupid and useless invention.... many feminist movie do actually fail this test.
– Eries
1 hour ago
The bechdel test was quite a stupid and useless invention.... many feminist movie do actually fail this test.
– Eries
1 hour ago
@Eries LOL Bechdel is a lesbian test, not a feminist one. Notice the difference between the two answers (Lauren and Amadeus). Bechdel is happy if all the women talk about is bewbs or another woman they hope to bang. Bechdel just wants women to do ANYTHING besides serve as ancillary commenters on important man-stuff, or scheming how to land a man, because these are such clichés and because it illustrates how ancillary they are (see also Maid and Butler dialog). The OP fails Bechdel obviously.
– wetcircuit
45 mins ago
@Eries LOL Bechdel is a lesbian test, not a feminist one. Notice the difference between the two answers (Lauren and Amadeus). Bechdel is happy if all the women talk about is bewbs or another woman they hope to bang. Bechdel just wants women to do ANYTHING besides serve as ancillary commenters on important man-stuff, or scheming how to land a man, because these are such clichés and because it illustrates how ancillary they are (see also Maid and Butler dialog). The OP fails Bechdel obviously.
– wetcircuit
45 mins ago
2
2
Eries and wetcircuit, please keep in mind the Code of Conduct. It's fine to disagree, but let's all be professional about it.
– Î± CVn♦
36 mins ago
Eries and wetcircuit, please keep in mind the Code of Conduct. It's fine to disagree, but let's all be professional about it.
– Î± CVn♦
36 mins ago
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The Bechdel Test has three rules:
- It has to have at least two [named] women in it
- Who talk to each other
- About something besides a man
Some people who try to apply it use "man" in the romantic sense, but it doesn't have to be.
So if your scene has the two women as named characters talking about a foreclosure, it passes.
The idea is not to tick off a list of checkboxes, but to make you consider the work as a whole: Do the female characters function without male character intervention? Are the female characters interesting on their own? Do they have independent personalities, thoughts, lives, plot arcs? If you removed the male characters, would the female characters still have stuff to do?
Those questions are more important than "Do I have enough lines in this paragraph of these two characters talking about non-romantic stuff to qualify for passing this test?" If your female characters ONLY ever interact because they are talking about relationships with men, that's the problem the Bechdel test is trying to highlight. Women do stuff which has nothing to do with men at all.
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
To be fair to Bechdel, the two women can talk about romantic stuff just so long as a man isn't involved.
– wetcircuit
37 mins ago
@wetcircuit yes, absolutely.
– Lauren Ipsum
57 secs ago
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In both scenes, this seems like for women, all roads lead to romance with men; that this is the only thing they are good for. Or in the second scene, the only reason these women are together in the first place is related to child-care.
You do not need women in a story to talk to each other in order to make them actual human beings. You just need them doing something that has nothing to do with sex, romance, dating, or in general mating, reproduction or child care.
Why can't the two women be at a political rally or something (not for anybody related to them)? Why can't they be at lunch discussing a new business project? Why can't the friends be an architect and an attorney?
I'm not saying women never engage in any of their stereotyped female roles, the world is filled with real soccer-moms and housewives, and women that love to shop and talk fashion, and do all the grocery shopping.
But if you want to pass the Bechdel Test (or if you want to write a realistic book, period) then your characters -- including both male and female, black and white, gay and straight, adults and children -- will not fit neatly into their stereotyped roles. They will have other unique interests that are not part of their stereotype, and will have conversations with other people about those interests, and take actions to pursue their interests. If you need an excuse for friends to have a conversation, give them some mutual interest in a topic or activity enjoyed by both men and women.
Typically conversations in a novel (or movie) exist to impart some kind of information or an idea to another character, sometimes they provide inspiration on how to tackle a problem. Keep your focus on that, and avoid cliché settings to get this done. Break free of the stereotype, or even use an anti-stereotype. It may take imagination, but that's the job of a writer.
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
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True. The woman in the first scene is introduced to the reader where she is kidnapping a CIA agent and having a lot of fun doing it. She later is shown trying to get the MC’s attention as she would like to see where that might go and has never failed of an assignment. Then, almost for comedic effect, she realized that asking this kid might be best. She offers to teach the girl a sleeper hold, etc
– Rasdashan
39 mins ago
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The Bechdel Test has three rules:
- It has to have at least two [named] women in it
- Who talk to each other
- About something besides a man
Some people who try to apply it use "man" in the romantic sense, but it doesn't have to be.
So if your scene has the two women as named characters talking about a foreclosure, it passes.
The idea is not to tick off a list of checkboxes, but to make you consider the work as a whole: Do the female characters function without male character intervention? Are the female characters interesting on their own? Do they have independent personalities, thoughts, lives, plot arcs? If you removed the male characters, would the female characters still have stuff to do?
Those questions are more important than "Do I have enough lines in this paragraph of these two characters talking about non-romantic stuff to qualify for passing this test?" If your female characters ONLY ever interact because they are talking about relationships with men, that's the problem the Bechdel test is trying to highlight. Women do stuff which has nothing to do with men at all.
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
To be fair to Bechdel, the two women can talk about romantic stuff just so long as a man isn't involved.
– wetcircuit
37 mins ago
@wetcircuit yes, absolutely.
– Lauren Ipsum
57 secs ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
The Bechdel Test has three rules:
- It has to have at least two [named] women in it
- Who talk to each other
- About something besides a man
Some people who try to apply it use "man" in the romantic sense, but it doesn't have to be.
So if your scene has the two women as named characters talking about a foreclosure, it passes.
The idea is not to tick off a list of checkboxes, but to make you consider the work as a whole: Do the female characters function without male character intervention? Are the female characters interesting on their own? Do they have independent personalities, thoughts, lives, plot arcs? If you removed the male characters, would the female characters still have stuff to do?
Those questions are more important than "Do I have enough lines in this paragraph of these two characters talking about non-romantic stuff to qualify for passing this test?" If your female characters ONLY ever interact because they are talking about relationships with men, that's the problem the Bechdel test is trying to highlight. Women do stuff which has nothing to do with men at all.
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
To be fair to Bechdel, the two women can talk about romantic stuff just so long as a man isn't involved.
– wetcircuit
37 mins ago
@wetcircuit yes, absolutely.
– Lauren Ipsum
57 secs ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
The Bechdel Test has three rules:
- It has to have at least two [named] women in it
- Who talk to each other
- About something besides a man
Some people who try to apply it use "man" in the romantic sense, but it doesn't have to be.
So if your scene has the two women as named characters talking about a foreclosure, it passes.
The idea is not to tick off a list of checkboxes, but to make you consider the work as a whole: Do the female characters function without male character intervention? Are the female characters interesting on their own? Do they have independent personalities, thoughts, lives, plot arcs? If you removed the male characters, would the female characters still have stuff to do?
Those questions are more important than "Do I have enough lines in this paragraph of these two characters talking about non-romantic stuff to qualify for passing this test?" If your female characters ONLY ever interact because they are talking about relationships with men, that's the problem the Bechdel test is trying to highlight. Women do stuff which has nothing to do with men at all.
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
The Bechdel Test has three rules:
- It has to have at least two [named] women in it
- Who talk to each other
- About something besides a man
Some people who try to apply it use "man" in the romantic sense, but it doesn't have to be.
So if your scene has the two women as named characters talking about a foreclosure, it passes.
The idea is not to tick off a list of checkboxes, but to make you consider the work as a whole: Do the female characters function without male character intervention? Are the female characters interesting on their own? Do they have independent personalities, thoughts, lives, plot arcs? If you removed the male characters, would the female characters still have stuff to do?
Those questions are more important than "Do I have enough lines in this paragraph of these two characters talking about non-romantic stuff to qualify for passing this test?" If your female characters ONLY ever interact because they are talking about relationships with men, that's the problem the Bechdel test is trying to highlight. Women do stuff which has nothing to do with men at all.
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
answered 1 hour ago
Lauren Ipsum
63.1k486198
63.1k486198
To be fair to Bechdel, the two women can talk about romantic stuff just so long as a man isn't involved.
– wetcircuit
37 mins ago
@wetcircuit yes, absolutely.
– Lauren Ipsum
57 secs ago
add a comment |Â
To be fair to Bechdel, the two women can talk about romantic stuff just so long as a man isn't involved.
– wetcircuit
37 mins ago
@wetcircuit yes, absolutely.
– Lauren Ipsum
57 secs ago
To be fair to Bechdel, the two women can talk about romantic stuff just so long as a man isn't involved.
– wetcircuit
37 mins ago
To be fair to Bechdel, the two women can talk about romantic stuff just so long as a man isn't involved.
– wetcircuit
37 mins ago
@wetcircuit yes, absolutely.
– Lauren Ipsum
57 secs ago
@wetcircuit yes, absolutely.
– Lauren Ipsum
57 secs ago
add a comment |Â
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2
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In both scenes, this seems like for women, all roads lead to romance with men; that this is the only thing they are good for. Or in the second scene, the only reason these women are together in the first place is related to child-care.
You do not need women in a story to talk to each other in order to make them actual human beings. You just need them doing something that has nothing to do with sex, romance, dating, or in general mating, reproduction or child care.
Why can't the two women be at a political rally or something (not for anybody related to them)? Why can't they be at lunch discussing a new business project? Why can't the friends be an architect and an attorney?
I'm not saying women never engage in any of their stereotyped female roles, the world is filled with real soccer-moms and housewives, and women that love to shop and talk fashion, and do all the grocery shopping.
But if you want to pass the Bechdel Test (or if you want to write a realistic book, period) then your characters -- including both male and female, black and white, gay and straight, adults and children -- will not fit neatly into their stereotyped roles. They will have other unique interests that are not part of their stereotype, and will have conversations with other people about those interests, and take actions to pursue their interests. If you need an excuse for friends to have a conversation, give them some mutual interest in a topic or activity enjoyed by both men and women.
Typically conversations in a novel (or movie) exist to impart some kind of information or an idea to another character, sometimes they provide inspiration on how to tackle a problem. Keep your focus on that, and avoid cliché settings to get this done. Break free of the stereotype, or even use an anti-stereotype. It may take imagination, but that's the job of a writer.
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
42.1k252135
True. The woman in the first scene is introduced to the reader where she is kidnapping a CIA agent and having a lot of fun doing it. She later is shown trying to get the MC’s attention as she would like to see where that might go and has never failed of an assignment. Then, almost for comedic effect, she realized that asking this kid might be best. She offers to teach the girl a sleeper hold, etc
– Rasdashan
39 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
In both scenes, this seems like for women, all roads lead to romance with men; that this is the only thing they are good for. Or in the second scene, the only reason these women are together in the first place is related to child-care.
You do not need women in a story to talk to each other in order to make them actual human beings. You just need them doing something that has nothing to do with sex, romance, dating, or in general mating, reproduction or child care.
Why can't the two women be at a political rally or something (not for anybody related to them)? Why can't they be at lunch discussing a new business project? Why can't the friends be an architect and an attorney?
I'm not saying women never engage in any of their stereotyped female roles, the world is filled with real soccer-moms and housewives, and women that love to shop and talk fashion, and do all the grocery shopping.
But if you want to pass the Bechdel Test (or if you want to write a realistic book, period) then your characters -- including both male and female, black and white, gay and straight, adults and children -- will not fit neatly into their stereotyped roles. They will have other unique interests that are not part of their stereotype, and will have conversations with other people about those interests, and take actions to pursue their interests. If you need an excuse for friends to have a conversation, give them some mutual interest in a topic or activity enjoyed by both men and women.
Typically conversations in a novel (or movie) exist to impart some kind of information or an idea to another character, sometimes they provide inspiration on how to tackle a problem. Keep your focus on that, and avoid cliché settings to get this done. Break free of the stereotype, or even use an anti-stereotype. It may take imagination, but that's the job of a writer.
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
42.1k252135
True. The woman in the first scene is introduced to the reader where she is kidnapping a CIA agent and having a lot of fun doing it. She later is shown trying to get the MC’s attention as she would like to see where that might go and has never failed of an assignment. Then, almost for comedic effect, she realized that asking this kid might be best. She offers to teach the girl a sleeper hold, etc
– Rasdashan
39 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
In both scenes, this seems like for women, all roads lead to romance with men; that this is the only thing they are good for. Or in the second scene, the only reason these women are together in the first place is related to child-care.
You do not need women in a story to talk to each other in order to make them actual human beings. You just need them doing something that has nothing to do with sex, romance, dating, or in general mating, reproduction or child care.
Why can't the two women be at a political rally or something (not for anybody related to them)? Why can't they be at lunch discussing a new business project? Why can't the friends be an architect and an attorney?
I'm not saying women never engage in any of their stereotyped female roles, the world is filled with real soccer-moms and housewives, and women that love to shop and talk fashion, and do all the grocery shopping.
But if you want to pass the Bechdel Test (or if you want to write a realistic book, period) then your characters -- including both male and female, black and white, gay and straight, adults and children -- will not fit neatly into their stereotyped roles. They will have other unique interests that are not part of their stereotype, and will have conversations with other people about those interests, and take actions to pursue their interests. If you need an excuse for friends to have a conversation, give them some mutual interest in a topic or activity enjoyed by both men and women.
Typically conversations in a novel (or movie) exist to impart some kind of information or an idea to another character, sometimes they provide inspiration on how to tackle a problem. Keep your focus on that, and avoid cliché settings to get this done. Break free of the stereotype, or even use an anti-stereotype. It may take imagination, but that's the job of a writer.
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
42.1k252135
In both scenes, this seems like for women, all roads lead to romance with men; that this is the only thing they are good for. Or in the second scene, the only reason these women are together in the first place is related to child-care.
You do not need women in a story to talk to each other in order to make them actual human beings. You just need them doing something that has nothing to do with sex, romance, dating, or in general mating, reproduction or child care.
Why can't the two women be at a political rally or something (not for anybody related to them)? Why can't they be at lunch discussing a new business project? Why can't the friends be an architect and an attorney?
I'm not saying women never engage in any of their stereotyped female roles, the world is filled with real soccer-moms and housewives, and women that love to shop and talk fashion, and do all the grocery shopping.
But if you want to pass the Bechdel Test (or if you want to write a realistic book, period) then your characters -- including both male and female, black and white, gay and straight, adults and children -- will not fit neatly into their stereotyped roles. They will have other unique interests that are not part of their stereotype, and will have conversations with other people about those interests, and take actions to pursue their interests. If you need an excuse for friends to have a conversation, give them some mutual interest in a topic or activity enjoyed by both men and women.
Typically conversations in a novel (or movie) exist to impart some kind of information or an idea to another character, sometimes they provide inspiration on how to tackle a problem. Keep your focus on that, and avoid cliché settings to get this done. Break free of the stereotype, or even use an anti-stereotype. It may take imagination, but that's the job of a writer.
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
42.1k252135
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
42.1k252135
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
42.1k252135
answered 1 hour ago
Amadeus
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42.1k252135
True. The woman in the first scene is introduced to the reader where she is kidnapping a CIA agent and having a lot of fun doing it. She later is shown trying to get the MC’s attention as she would like to see where that might go and has never failed of an assignment. Then, almost for comedic effect, she realized that asking this kid might be best. She offers to teach the girl a sleeper hold, etc
– Rasdashan
39 mins ago
add a comment |Â
True. The woman in the first scene is introduced to the reader where she is kidnapping a CIA agent and having a lot of fun doing it. She later is shown trying to get the MC’s attention as she would like to see where that might go and has never failed of an assignment. Then, almost for comedic effect, she realized that asking this kid might be best. She offers to teach the girl a sleeper hold, etc
– Rasdashan
39 mins ago
True. The woman in the first scene is introduced to the reader where she is kidnapping a CIA agent and having a lot of fun doing it. She later is shown trying to get the MC’s attention as she would like to see where that might go and has never failed of an assignment. Then, almost for comedic effect, she realized that asking this kid might be best. She offers to teach the girl a sleeper hold, etc
– Rasdashan
39 mins ago
True. The woman in the first scene is introduced to the reader where she is kidnapping a CIA agent and having a lot of fun doing it. She later is shown trying to get the MC’s attention as she would like to see where that might go and has never failed of an assignment. Then, almost for comedic effect, she realized that asking this kid might be best. She offers to teach the girl a sleeper hold, etc
– Rasdashan
39 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Why is the Bechdel test so important to you? Why does it matter to you if your story passes or fails? In particular, why does it matter to you if it passes or fails, if its passing depends on one scene in the entire novel that maybe qualifies?
– Galastel
1 hour ago
More curiosity, really. If it fails, I won’t change those scenes. My characters are intriguing and most of the women are smarter than the men they deal with and it is working.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
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The bechdel test was quite a stupid and useless invention.... many feminist movie do actually fail this test.
– Eries
1 hour ago
@Eries LOL Bechdel is a lesbian test, not a feminist one. Notice the difference between the two answers (Lauren and Amadeus). Bechdel is happy if all the women talk about is bewbs or another woman they hope to bang. Bechdel just wants women to do ANYTHING besides serve as ancillary commenters on important man-stuff, or scheming how to land a man, because these are such clichés and because it illustrates how ancillary they are (see also Maid and Butler dialog). The OP fails Bechdel obviously.
– wetcircuit
45 mins ago
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Eries and wetcircuit, please keep in mind the Code of Conduct. It's fine to disagree, but let's all be professional about it.
– Î± CVn♦
36 mins ago