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Aliens performing successful medical procedure on humans at first contact?
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So, humans have finally figured out how to build a solar-system crossing ship. On the way to the first exo-planet to be colonized, an accident happens, and a few people wind up floating through space, injured.
Aliens find the person(s) individually let’s call each person X. X is still alive, and there are no problems relating to nutrition via another bit I don’t have time to explain.
Would the aliens be able to fix X’s injuries?
What if X was a child? Or a woman on her period?
- for the purposes of this question my aliens are humanoid and carbon-based.
- X is familiar with the procedure for first contact, and can successfully initiate it.
- The aliens want to help X.
- there are no human remains accessible.
- aliens are humanoid only in that they are bipedal, have two genders, have four limbs, and hair on their heads. They do not however have hair anywhere else, would this lead to confusion?
- the people are basically loose in spacesuits.
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So, humans have finally figured out how to build a solar-system crossing ship. On the way to the first exo-planet to be colonized, an accident happens, and a few people wind up floating through space, injured.
Aliens find the person(s) individually let’s call each person X. X is still alive, and there are no problems relating to nutrition via another bit I don’t have time to explain.
Would the aliens be able to fix X’s injuries?
What if X was a child? Or a woman on her period?
- for the purposes of this question my aliens are humanoid and carbon-based.
- X is familiar with the procedure for first contact, and can successfully initiate it.
- The aliens want to help X.
- there are no human remains accessible.
- aliens are humanoid only in that they are bipedal, have two genders, have four limbs, and hair on their heads. They do not however have hair anywhere else, would this lead to confusion?
- the people are basically loose in spacesuits.
aliens xenobiology medicine
edited 4 hours ago
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asked 5 hours ago
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Depends on injury, presence of first aid kit in the capsule, similarity to fixing the same injury in alien, etc
– Bald Bear
5 hours ago
They can look the same externally, but internally could be quite different. The alien surgeon could kill a patient looking for their buggleworp or wondering why their fleedlesnap is so small. There's a lot of hazard in guessing here, so I'd say the chances of any procedure being a success here would be sheer dumb luck.
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So, humans have finally figured out how to build a solar-system crossing ship. On the way to the first exo-planet to be colonized, an accident happens, and a few people wind up floating through space, injured.
Aliens find the person(s) individually let’s call each person X. X is still alive, and there are no problems relating to nutrition via another bit I don’t have time to explain.
Would the aliens be able to fix X’s injuries?
What if X was a child? Or a woman on her period?
- for the purposes of this question my aliens are humanoid and carbon-based.
- X is familiar with the procedure for first contact, and can successfully initiate it.
- The aliens want to help X.
- there are no human remains accessible.
- aliens are humanoid only in that they are bipedal, have two genders, have four limbs, and hair on their heads. They do not however have hair anywhere else, would this lead to confusion?
- the people are basically loose in spacesuits.
aliens xenobiology medicine
edited 4 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
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asked 5 hours ago
Tanzanite Dragoness
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So, humans have finally figured out how to build a solar-system crossing ship. On the way to the first exo-planet to be colonized, an accident happens, and a few people wind up floating through space, injured.
Aliens find the person(s) individually let’s call each person X. X is still alive, and there are no problems relating to nutrition via another bit I don’t have time to explain.
Would the aliens be able to fix X’s injuries?
What if X was a child? Or a woman on her period?
- for the purposes of this question my aliens are humanoid and carbon-based.
- X is familiar with the procedure for first contact, and can successfully initiate it.
- The aliens want to help X.
- there are no human remains accessible.
- aliens are humanoid only in that they are bipedal, have two genders, have four limbs, and hair on their heads. They do not however have hair anywhere else, would this lead to confusion?
- the people are basically loose in spacesuits.
aliens xenobiology medicine
aliens xenobiology medicine
edited 4 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
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asked 5 hours ago
Tanzanite Dragoness
16710
edited 4 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
66.9k20161315
asked 5 hours ago
Tanzanite Dragoness
16710
edited 4 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
66.9k20161315
edited 4 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
66.9k20161315
edited 4 hours ago
L.Dutch♦
66.9k20161315
66.9k20161315
asked 5 hours ago
Tanzanite Dragoness
16710
asked 5 hours ago
Tanzanite Dragoness
16710
asked 5 hours ago
Tanzanite Dragoness
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16710
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Depends on injury, presence of first aid kit in the capsule, similarity to fixing the same injury in alien, etc
– Bald Bear
5 hours ago
They can look the same externally, but internally could be quite different. The alien surgeon could kill a patient looking for their buggleworp or wondering why their fleedlesnap is so small. There's a lot of hazard in guessing here, so I'd say the chances of any procedure being a success here would be sheer dumb luck.
– Pleiades
3 hours ago
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Depends on injury, presence of first aid kit in the capsule, similarity to fixing the same injury in alien, etc
– Bald Bear
5 hours ago
They can look the same externally, but internally could be quite different. The alien surgeon could kill a patient looking for their buggleworp or wondering why their fleedlesnap is so small. There's a lot of hazard in guessing here, so I'd say the chances of any procedure being a success here would be sheer dumb luck.
– Pleiades
3 hours ago
1
1
Depends on injury, presence of first aid kit in the capsule, similarity to fixing the same injury in alien, etc
– Bald Bear
5 hours ago
Depends on injury, presence of first aid kit in the capsule, similarity to fixing the same injury in alien, etc
– Bald Bear
5 hours ago
They can look the same externally, but internally could be quite different. The alien surgeon could kill a patient looking for their buggleworp or wondering why their fleedlesnap is so small. There's a lot of hazard in guessing here, so I'd say the chances of any procedure being a success here would be sheer dumb luck.
– Pleiades
3 hours ago
They can look the same externally, but internally could be quite different. The alien surgeon could kill a patient looking for their buggleworp or wondering why their fleedlesnap is so small. There's a lot of hazard in guessing here, so I'd say the chances of any procedure being a success here would be sheer dumb luck.
– Pleiades
3 hours ago
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It comes down to how advanced the alien's xenobiology is.
One big advantage here: We are talking injuries. It should be fairly clear to the aliens what is damaged and what isn't. Furthermore, the body is symmetric--in most cases the opposite part of the body will be uninjured, the aliens can examine it to figure out how the injured part should go back together.
Furthermore, you specified more than one individual. That provides even more options for looking at others to figure out how the part should be.
If they have enough experience treating other aliens I would think they could figure out how a human should fit together. The hard part will be keeping them alive and sane during the process. What materials are safe to use as sutures? What are safe to use as anchors (say, for a smashed bone)? Unless they can learn a lot from our DNA anesthesia is out of the question unless they have samples of local anesthetics in their suits/capsule. Likewise, without a very sophisticated analysis of our DNA they won't be able to produce blood or any drugs.
answered 1 hour ago
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DNA
DNA may be a key. If they are DNA based and have sufficiently advanced technology, they may be able to use a single cell from a human to decipher their entire DNA structure and meaning, including how everything is supposed to work. But that may be a bit much, so they can instead use...
Surgery for Dummies
Language shouldn't be a problem as long as the universal translator is online. So X just needs to tell the aliens how to access Surgery for Dummies stored in the capsule computer. Actually, a quick search found an almost modern day equivalent in this PDF from the World Health Organization. The key is starting with humanoid, carbon-based life forms. Unlike something radically different, other humanoids will be able to adapt to the necessary techniques and, being carbon-based, some of the key things, like clean water, typical temperature range, etc. will be compatible.
Replacements?
The one problem I see is if replacement biological items are needed. Titanium parts for joint repair? They can fabricate those easily enough. Blood? Not so much. In fact, blood is likely to be the biggest problem because if you need it, you usually need it NOW, so waiting a few days for the scientists to figure out a compatible hemoglobin-based solution won't work. But stitches for minor injuries, setting broken bones, even removing an appendix - the aliens can do it.
Just remember to bring your Galactic Insurance Card...
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
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No. This is not going to work.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
5 hours ago
@TanzaniteDragoness "This is not going to work." Why? It sounds like you have other reasons not already listed (perhaps story-related) why my ideas won't work. Please explain.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
You are assuming that aliens have had contact with others as well. Neither species knows about each other, so universal translator doesn’t work. Nor does anything to do with the human ship, as I specified that it was un-accsesable.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
4 hours ago
Original question had capsule instead of spacesuit - I assumed that to be something with self-contained life support, computer, etc. but lacking the propulsion and larger size of a full spaceship. As far as the universal translator, I don't know what is involved in the first contact procedure - it could include a step-by-step process for coming up with a common language.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
i'd assume the ship has an extensive database, with all the medical requisites (anatomy/physiology/pathology/biochem/surgery/language primers), which the aliens could absorb, even aided by the human crew. otherwise, the sick fellow will get sicker still.
– theRiley
12 mins ago
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2 Answers
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It comes down to how advanced the alien's xenobiology is.
One big advantage here: We are talking injuries. It should be fairly clear to the aliens what is damaged and what isn't. Furthermore, the body is symmetric--in most cases the opposite part of the body will be uninjured, the aliens can examine it to figure out how the injured part should go back together.
Furthermore, you specified more than one individual. That provides even more options for looking at others to figure out how the part should be.
If they have enough experience treating other aliens I would think they could figure out how a human should fit together. The hard part will be keeping them alive and sane during the process. What materials are safe to use as sutures? What are safe to use as anchors (say, for a smashed bone)? Unless they can learn a lot from our DNA anesthesia is out of the question unless they have samples of local anesthetics in their suits/capsule. Likewise, without a very sophisticated analysis of our DNA they won't be able to produce blood or any drugs.
answered 1 hour ago
Loren Pechtel
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It comes down to how advanced the alien's xenobiology is.
One big advantage here: We are talking injuries. It should be fairly clear to the aliens what is damaged and what isn't. Furthermore, the body is symmetric--in most cases the opposite part of the body will be uninjured, the aliens can examine it to figure out how the injured part should go back together.
Furthermore, you specified more than one individual. That provides even more options for looking at others to figure out how the part should be.
If they have enough experience treating other aliens I would think they could figure out how a human should fit together. The hard part will be keeping them alive and sane during the process. What materials are safe to use as sutures? What are safe to use as anchors (say, for a smashed bone)? Unless they can learn a lot from our DNA anesthesia is out of the question unless they have samples of local anesthetics in their suits/capsule. Likewise, without a very sophisticated analysis of our DNA they won't be able to produce blood or any drugs.
answered 1 hour ago
Loren Pechtel
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up vote
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It comes down to how advanced the alien's xenobiology is.
One big advantage here: We are talking injuries. It should be fairly clear to the aliens what is damaged and what isn't. Furthermore, the body is symmetric--in most cases the opposite part of the body will be uninjured, the aliens can examine it to figure out how the injured part should go back together.
Furthermore, you specified more than one individual. That provides even more options for looking at others to figure out how the part should be.
If they have enough experience treating other aliens I would think they could figure out how a human should fit together. The hard part will be keeping them alive and sane during the process. What materials are safe to use as sutures? What are safe to use as anchors (say, for a smashed bone)? Unless they can learn a lot from our DNA anesthesia is out of the question unless they have samples of local anesthetics in their suits/capsule. Likewise, without a very sophisticated analysis of our DNA they won't be able to produce blood or any drugs.
answered 1 hour ago
Loren Pechtel
18.1k2258
It comes down to how advanced the alien's xenobiology is.
One big advantage here: We are talking injuries. It should be fairly clear to the aliens what is damaged and what isn't. Furthermore, the body is symmetric--in most cases the opposite part of the body will be uninjured, the aliens can examine it to figure out how the injured part should go back together.
Furthermore, you specified more than one individual. That provides even more options for looking at others to figure out how the part should be.
If they have enough experience treating other aliens I would think they could figure out how a human should fit together. The hard part will be keeping them alive and sane during the process. What materials are safe to use as sutures? What are safe to use as anchors (say, for a smashed bone)? Unless they can learn a lot from our DNA anesthesia is out of the question unless they have samples of local anesthetics in their suits/capsule. Likewise, without a very sophisticated analysis of our DNA they won't be able to produce blood or any drugs.
answered 1 hour ago
Loren Pechtel
18.1k2258
answered 1 hour ago
Loren Pechtel
18.1k2258
answered 1 hour ago
Loren Pechtel
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answered 1 hour ago
Loren Pechtel
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2
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DNA
DNA may be a key. If they are DNA based and have sufficiently advanced technology, they may be able to use a single cell from a human to decipher their entire DNA structure and meaning, including how everything is supposed to work. But that may be a bit much, so they can instead use...
Surgery for Dummies
Language shouldn't be a problem as long as the universal translator is online. So X just needs to tell the aliens how to access Surgery for Dummies stored in the capsule computer. Actually, a quick search found an almost modern day equivalent in this PDF from the World Health Organization. The key is starting with humanoid, carbon-based life forms. Unlike something radically different, other humanoids will be able to adapt to the necessary techniques and, being carbon-based, some of the key things, like clean water, typical temperature range, etc. will be compatible.
Replacements?
The one problem I see is if replacement biological items are needed. Titanium parts for joint repair? They can fabricate those easily enough. Blood? Not so much. In fact, blood is likely to be the biggest problem because if you need it, you usually need it NOW, so waiting a few days for the scientists to figure out a compatible hemoglobin-based solution won't work. But stitches for minor injuries, setting broken bones, even removing an appendix - the aliens can do it.
Just remember to bring your Galactic Insurance Card...
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
2,974422
No. This is not going to work.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
5 hours ago
@TanzaniteDragoness "This is not going to work." Why? It sounds like you have other reasons not already listed (perhaps story-related) why my ideas won't work. Please explain.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
You are assuming that aliens have had contact with others as well. Neither species knows about each other, so universal translator doesn’t work. Nor does anything to do with the human ship, as I specified that it was un-accsesable.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
4 hours ago
Original question had capsule instead of spacesuit - I assumed that to be something with self-contained life support, computer, etc. but lacking the propulsion and larger size of a full spaceship. As far as the universal translator, I don't know what is involved in the first contact procedure - it could include a step-by-step process for coming up with a common language.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
i'd assume the ship has an extensive database, with all the medical requisites (anatomy/physiology/pathology/biochem/surgery/language primers), which the aliens could absorb, even aided by the human crew. otherwise, the sick fellow will get sicker still.
– theRiley
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
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DNA
DNA may be a key. If they are DNA based and have sufficiently advanced technology, they may be able to use a single cell from a human to decipher their entire DNA structure and meaning, including how everything is supposed to work. But that may be a bit much, so they can instead use...
Surgery for Dummies
Language shouldn't be a problem as long as the universal translator is online. So X just needs to tell the aliens how to access Surgery for Dummies stored in the capsule computer. Actually, a quick search found an almost modern day equivalent in this PDF from the World Health Organization. The key is starting with humanoid, carbon-based life forms. Unlike something radically different, other humanoids will be able to adapt to the necessary techniques and, being carbon-based, some of the key things, like clean water, typical temperature range, etc. will be compatible.
Replacements?
The one problem I see is if replacement biological items are needed. Titanium parts for joint repair? They can fabricate those easily enough. Blood? Not so much. In fact, blood is likely to be the biggest problem because if you need it, you usually need it NOW, so waiting a few days for the scientists to figure out a compatible hemoglobin-based solution won't work. But stitches for minor injuries, setting broken bones, even removing an appendix - the aliens can do it.
Just remember to bring your Galactic Insurance Card...
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
2,974422
No. This is not going to work.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
5 hours ago
@TanzaniteDragoness "This is not going to work." Why? It sounds like you have other reasons not already listed (perhaps story-related) why my ideas won't work. Please explain.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
You are assuming that aliens have had contact with others as well. Neither species knows about each other, so universal translator doesn’t work. Nor does anything to do with the human ship, as I specified that it was un-accsesable.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
4 hours ago
Original question had capsule instead of spacesuit - I assumed that to be something with self-contained life support, computer, etc. but lacking the propulsion and larger size of a full spaceship. As far as the universal translator, I don't know what is involved in the first contact procedure - it could include a step-by-step process for coming up with a common language.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
i'd assume the ship has an extensive database, with all the medical requisites (anatomy/physiology/pathology/biochem/surgery/language primers), which the aliens could absorb, even aided by the human crew. otherwise, the sick fellow will get sicker still.
– theRiley
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
DNA
DNA may be a key. If they are DNA based and have sufficiently advanced technology, they may be able to use a single cell from a human to decipher their entire DNA structure and meaning, including how everything is supposed to work. But that may be a bit much, so they can instead use...
Surgery for Dummies
Language shouldn't be a problem as long as the universal translator is online. So X just needs to tell the aliens how to access Surgery for Dummies stored in the capsule computer. Actually, a quick search found an almost modern day equivalent in this PDF from the World Health Organization. The key is starting with humanoid, carbon-based life forms. Unlike something radically different, other humanoids will be able to adapt to the necessary techniques and, being carbon-based, some of the key things, like clean water, typical temperature range, etc. will be compatible.
Replacements?
The one problem I see is if replacement biological items are needed. Titanium parts for joint repair? They can fabricate those easily enough. Blood? Not so much. In fact, blood is likely to be the biggest problem because if you need it, you usually need it NOW, so waiting a few days for the scientists to figure out a compatible hemoglobin-based solution won't work. But stitches for minor injuries, setting broken bones, even removing an appendix - the aliens can do it.
Just remember to bring your Galactic Insurance Card...
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
2,974422
DNA
DNA may be a key. If they are DNA based and have sufficiently advanced technology, they may be able to use a single cell from a human to decipher their entire DNA structure and meaning, including how everything is supposed to work. But that may be a bit much, so they can instead use...
Surgery for Dummies
Language shouldn't be a problem as long as the universal translator is online. So X just needs to tell the aliens how to access Surgery for Dummies stored in the capsule computer. Actually, a quick search found an almost modern day equivalent in this PDF from the World Health Organization. The key is starting with humanoid, carbon-based life forms. Unlike something radically different, other humanoids will be able to adapt to the necessary techniques and, being carbon-based, some of the key things, like clean water, typical temperature range, etc. will be compatible.
Replacements?
The one problem I see is if replacement biological items are needed. Titanium parts for joint repair? They can fabricate those easily enough. Blood? Not so much. In fact, blood is likely to be the biggest problem because if you need it, you usually need it NOW, so waiting a few days for the scientists to figure out a compatible hemoglobin-based solution won't work. But stitches for minor injuries, setting broken bones, even removing an appendix - the aliens can do it.
Just remember to bring your Galactic Insurance Card...
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
2,974422
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
2,974422
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
2,974422
answered 5 hours ago
manassehkatz
2,974422
2,974422
No. This is not going to work.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
5 hours ago
@TanzaniteDragoness "This is not going to work." Why? It sounds like you have other reasons not already listed (perhaps story-related) why my ideas won't work. Please explain.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
You are assuming that aliens have had contact with others as well. Neither species knows about each other, so universal translator doesn’t work. Nor does anything to do with the human ship, as I specified that it was un-accsesable.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
4 hours ago
Original question had capsule instead of spacesuit - I assumed that to be something with self-contained life support, computer, etc. but lacking the propulsion and larger size of a full spaceship. As far as the universal translator, I don't know what is involved in the first contact procedure - it could include a step-by-step process for coming up with a common language.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
i'd assume the ship has an extensive database, with all the medical requisites (anatomy/physiology/pathology/biochem/surgery/language primers), which the aliens could absorb, even aided by the human crew. otherwise, the sick fellow will get sicker still.
– theRiley
12 mins ago
add a comment |Â
No. This is not going to work.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
5 hours ago
@TanzaniteDragoness "This is not going to work." Why? It sounds like you have other reasons not already listed (perhaps story-related) why my ideas won't work. Please explain.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
You are assuming that aliens have had contact with others as well. Neither species knows about each other, so universal translator doesn’t work. Nor does anything to do with the human ship, as I specified that it was un-accsesable.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
4 hours ago
Original question had capsule instead of spacesuit - I assumed that to be something with self-contained life support, computer, etc. but lacking the propulsion and larger size of a full spaceship. As far as the universal translator, I don't know what is involved in the first contact procedure - it could include a step-by-step process for coming up with a common language.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
i'd assume the ship has an extensive database, with all the medical requisites (anatomy/physiology/pathology/biochem/surgery/language primers), which the aliens could absorb, even aided by the human crew. otherwise, the sick fellow will get sicker still.
– theRiley
12 mins ago
No. This is not going to work.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
5 hours ago
No. This is not going to work.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
5 hours ago
@TanzaniteDragoness "This is not going to work." Why? It sounds like you have other reasons not already listed (perhaps story-related) why my ideas won't work. Please explain.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
@TanzaniteDragoness "This is not going to work." Why? It sounds like you have other reasons not already listed (perhaps story-related) why my ideas won't work. Please explain.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
You are assuming that aliens have had contact with others as well. Neither species knows about each other, so universal translator doesn’t work. Nor does anything to do with the human ship, as I specified that it was un-accsesable.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
4 hours ago
You are assuming that aliens have had contact with others as well. Neither species knows about each other, so universal translator doesn’t work. Nor does anything to do with the human ship, as I specified that it was un-accsesable.
– Tanzanite Dragoness
4 hours ago
Original question had capsule instead of spacesuit - I assumed that to be something with self-contained life support, computer, etc. but lacking the propulsion and larger size of a full spaceship. As far as the universal translator, I don't know what is involved in the first contact procedure - it could include a step-by-step process for coming up with a common language.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
Original question had capsule instead of spacesuit - I assumed that to be something with self-contained life support, computer, etc. but lacking the propulsion and larger size of a full spaceship. As far as the universal translator, I don't know what is involved in the first contact procedure - it could include a step-by-step process for coming up with a common language.
– manassehkatz
4 hours ago
i'd assume the ship has an extensive database, with all the medical requisites (anatomy/physiology/pathology/biochem/surgery/language primers), which the aliens could absorb, even aided by the human crew. otherwise, the sick fellow will get sicker still.
– theRiley
12 mins ago
i'd assume the ship has an extensive database, with all the medical requisites (anatomy/physiology/pathology/biochem/surgery/language primers), which the aliens could absorb, even aided by the human crew. otherwise, the sick fellow will get sicker still.
– theRiley
12 mins ago
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Depends on injury, presence of first aid kit in the capsule, similarity to fixing the same injury in alien, etc
– Bald Bear
5 hours ago
They can look the same externally, but internally could be quite different. The alien surgeon could kill a patient looking for their buggleworp or wondering why their fleedlesnap is so small. There's a lot of hazard in guessing here, so I'd say the chances of any procedure being a success here would be sheer dumb luck.
– Pleiades
3 hours ago