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A colleague of mine has asked that I write him a letter of recommendation (LOR). I will call him Steve. He recently was denied tenure and is looking for a new position at several other universities. Steve is currently a co-author on three papers I am trying to publish. He has been extremely difficult to work with on these papers. (There is a reason he is being denied tenure. Everything is a battle with him). I am not in good conscience able to write a strong LOR for Steve. I am not even in good conscience able to write a LOR for him at all. I am of the opinion that he should never hold another faculty position again.
There are a few questions on this site, such as this one, that suggest that I should tell Steve that I cannot write him a strong letter of recommendation. However, Steve also funded a graduate student that worked with us on all three of the aforementioned papers, so there is money and a fledgling student involved, not to mention my own publications. There are two concerns that I thus have:
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day). Moreover, it would be rather unfortunate for the graduate student Steve oversaw if these publications are held hostage or squashed. This graduate student is deserving of these publications and her career could be quite negatively affected by not getting these papers published. Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
By declining to write a LOR for Steve, I also feel that I am declining to provide the search committees at Steve's potential employers valuable insight into what he will be like as a faculty member. I personally would be rather frustrated if I was on a search committee and was denied important information on the temperament and capabilities of a candidate because no one wanted to speak ill of an incorrigible and manipulative colleague. I would also feel rather angry if I was an applicant to one of Steve's potential employers and was passed over because no one dared write a negative letter about a weak candidate. Unlike the case of declining to write a letter for a weak student, allowing a potential faculty member to obscure his actions as a professor can have a much larger impact in my opinion. (Poor students fail out and are dismissed from the program; poor professors dodge and scramble, all the while affecting their students and colleagues).
I am uniquely equipped in my department to write at length about Steve's capabilities as a faculty member. I have done by far the most work with him out of any of the faculty. Steve already has a letter of recommendation from our department chair that expresses Steve's strong ability to obtain grants (one of his few positive capabilities). Steve likely could find one or two other faculty members to write him positive letters (even if they have to stretch the truth in order to save face before Steve). He obtained such letters for his intermediate review (done 3-4 years before applying for tenure as a means of gauging if a potential tenure candidate is progressing on the path). Because no one wanted to step up and write Steve a letter of reservation (i.e. "I have reservations about this candidate"), he continued to do the things that ended up leading to him being denied tenure. It cost the department time and money, as well as engendered a distrust of our department among the university administration.
With these two thoughts in mind, should I decline to write Steve a letter of recommendation?
ADDENDUM
I will admit that there is potential for a revenge factor here. I also feel that it is important that actions such as Steve's not be perpetuated. I am able to provide concrete examples and commentary on his fitness for a faculty position and would refrain from ad hominem attacks.
Because the LOR process would be kept private, I feel that I would have enough time to still submit each of the three publications Steve and I co-authored before Steve could possibly find out I had essentially blacklisted him. All three papers are in their final "submission-ready" format. We are literally just waiting for Steve to finish applying for new positions so that he can give the final submission approval as an author.
I have spoken with department administration about Steve's student. They are considering what to do in terms of interventions.
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A colleague of mine has asked that I write him a letter of recommendation (LOR). I will call him Steve. He recently was denied tenure and is looking for a new position at several other universities. Steve is currently a co-author on three papers I am trying to publish. He has been extremely difficult to work with on these papers. (There is a reason he is being denied tenure. Everything is a battle with him). I am not in good conscience able to write a strong LOR for Steve. I am not even in good conscience able to write a LOR for him at all. I am of the opinion that he should never hold another faculty position again.
There are a few questions on this site, such as this one, that suggest that I should tell Steve that I cannot write him a strong letter of recommendation. However, Steve also funded a graduate student that worked with us on all three of the aforementioned papers, so there is money and a fledgling student involved, not to mention my own publications. There are two concerns that I thus have:
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day). Moreover, it would be rather unfortunate for the graduate student Steve oversaw if these publications are held hostage or squashed. This graduate student is deserving of these publications and her career could be quite negatively affected by not getting these papers published. Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
By declining to write a LOR for Steve, I also feel that I am declining to provide the search committees at Steve's potential employers valuable insight into what he will be like as a faculty member. I personally would be rather frustrated if I was on a search committee and was denied important information on the temperament and capabilities of a candidate because no one wanted to speak ill of an incorrigible and manipulative colleague. I would also feel rather angry if I was an applicant to one of Steve's potential employers and was passed over because no one dared write a negative letter about a weak candidate. Unlike the case of declining to write a letter for a weak student, allowing a potential faculty member to obscure his actions as a professor can have a much larger impact in my opinion. (Poor students fail out and are dismissed from the program; poor professors dodge and scramble, all the while affecting their students and colleagues).
I am uniquely equipped in my department to write at length about Steve's capabilities as a faculty member. I have done by far the most work with him out of any of the faculty. Steve already has a letter of recommendation from our department chair that expresses Steve's strong ability to obtain grants (one of his few positive capabilities). Steve likely could find one or two other faculty members to write him positive letters (even if they have to stretch the truth in order to save face before Steve). He obtained such letters for his intermediate review (done 3-4 years before applying for tenure as a means of gauging if a potential tenure candidate is progressing on the path). Because no one wanted to step up and write Steve a letter of reservation (i.e. "I have reservations about this candidate"), he continued to do the things that ended up leading to him being denied tenure. It cost the department time and money, as well as engendered a distrust of our department among the university administration.
With these two thoughts in mind, should I decline to write Steve a letter of recommendation?
ADDENDUM
I will admit that there is potential for a revenge factor here. I also feel that it is important that actions such as Steve's not be perpetuated. I am able to provide concrete examples and commentary on his fitness for a faculty position and would refrain from ad hominem attacks.
Because the LOR process would be kept private, I feel that I would have enough time to still submit each of the three publications Steve and I co-authored before Steve could possibly find out I had essentially blacklisted him. All three papers are in their final "submission-ready" format. We are literally just waiting for Steve to finish applying for new positions so that he can give the final submission approval as an author.
I have spoken with department administration about Steve's student. They are considering what to do in terms of interventions.
ethics united-states recommendation-letter faculty-application
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The threat against the student should be surfaced immediately with the department chair. Likely they would allow you to take over as the advisor. Letting Steve hold a student hostage is not a good outcome for the department.
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike Under certain jurisdictions, references can be seen by the applicant.
– Captain Emacs
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike Result: "Steve brought in a large grant once for the department. I wrote some papers with him and he gave me a bottle of $10 wine once. He usually can make it through a class without yelling the F-word. Steve has never killed a student."
– Vladhagen
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@Thomas I think the problem is that refusing to write a recommendation very often results in increased hostility, no matter how good the reasons. I mean you're telling someone they aren't good enough for the life step they are currently trying to take, even if you're letting them know that they have potential for improvement. It's easy to say they should just be honest, but it's always far more nuanced when you are the one in that position. It's a very good - and a very tough - question.
– Misha R
1 hour ago
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The chair probably took the right approach. If this is in the US, a search committee will read between the lines of a nominally positive letter and notice the selective omissions.
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A colleague of mine has asked that I write him a letter of recommendation (LOR). I will call him Steve. He recently was denied tenure and is looking for a new position at several other universities. Steve is currently a co-author on three papers I am trying to publish. He has been extremely difficult to work with on these papers. (There is a reason he is being denied tenure. Everything is a battle with him). I am not in good conscience able to write a strong LOR for Steve. I am not even in good conscience able to write a LOR for him at all. I am of the opinion that he should never hold another faculty position again.
There are a few questions on this site, such as this one, that suggest that I should tell Steve that I cannot write him a strong letter of recommendation. However, Steve also funded a graduate student that worked with us on all three of the aforementioned papers, so there is money and a fledgling student involved, not to mention my own publications. There are two concerns that I thus have:
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day). Moreover, it would be rather unfortunate for the graduate student Steve oversaw if these publications are held hostage or squashed. This graduate student is deserving of these publications and her career could be quite negatively affected by not getting these papers published. Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
By declining to write a LOR for Steve, I also feel that I am declining to provide the search committees at Steve's potential employers valuable insight into what he will be like as a faculty member. I personally would be rather frustrated if I was on a search committee and was denied important information on the temperament and capabilities of a candidate because no one wanted to speak ill of an incorrigible and manipulative colleague. I would also feel rather angry if I was an applicant to one of Steve's potential employers and was passed over because no one dared write a negative letter about a weak candidate. Unlike the case of declining to write a letter for a weak student, allowing a potential faculty member to obscure his actions as a professor can have a much larger impact in my opinion. (Poor students fail out and are dismissed from the program; poor professors dodge and scramble, all the while affecting their students and colleagues).
I am uniquely equipped in my department to write at length about Steve's capabilities as a faculty member. I have done by far the most work with him out of any of the faculty. Steve already has a letter of recommendation from our department chair that expresses Steve's strong ability to obtain grants (one of his few positive capabilities). Steve likely could find one or two other faculty members to write him positive letters (even if they have to stretch the truth in order to save face before Steve). He obtained such letters for his intermediate review (done 3-4 years before applying for tenure as a means of gauging if a potential tenure candidate is progressing on the path). Because no one wanted to step up and write Steve a letter of reservation (i.e. "I have reservations about this candidate"), he continued to do the things that ended up leading to him being denied tenure. It cost the department time and money, as well as engendered a distrust of our department among the university administration.
With these two thoughts in mind, should I decline to write Steve a letter of recommendation?
ADDENDUM
I will admit that there is potential for a revenge factor here. I also feel that it is important that actions such as Steve's not be perpetuated. I am able to provide concrete examples and commentary on his fitness for a faculty position and would refrain from ad hominem attacks.
Because the LOR process would be kept private, I feel that I would have enough time to still submit each of the three publications Steve and I co-authored before Steve could possibly find out I had essentially blacklisted him. All three papers are in their final "submission-ready" format. We are literally just waiting for Steve to finish applying for new positions so that he can give the final submission approval as an author.
I have spoken with department administration about Steve's student. They are considering what to do in terms of interventions.
ethics united-states recommendation-letter faculty-application
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Vladhagen
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A colleague of mine has asked that I write him a letter of recommendation (LOR). I will call him Steve. He recently was denied tenure and is looking for a new position at several other universities. Steve is currently a co-author on three papers I am trying to publish. He has been extremely difficult to work with on these papers. (There is a reason he is being denied tenure. Everything is a battle with him). I am not in good conscience able to write a strong LOR for Steve. I am not even in good conscience able to write a LOR for him at all. I am of the opinion that he should never hold another faculty position again.
There are a few questions on this site, such as this one, that suggest that I should tell Steve that I cannot write him a strong letter of recommendation. However, Steve also funded a graduate student that worked with us on all three of the aforementioned papers, so there is money and a fledgling student involved, not to mention my own publications. There are two concerns that I thus have:
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day). Moreover, it would be rather unfortunate for the graduate student Steve oversaw if these publications are held hostage or squashed. This graduate student is deserving of these publications and her career could be quite negatively affected by not getting these papers published. Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
By declining to write a LOR for Steve, I also feel that I am declining to provide the search committees at Steve's potential employers valuable insight into what he will be like as a faculty member. I personally would be rather frustrated if I was on a search committee and was denied important information on the temperament and capabilities of a candidate because no one wanted to speak ill of an incorrigible and manipulative colleague. I would also feel rather angry if I was an applicant to one of Steve's potential employers and was passed over because no one dared write a negative letter about a weak candidate. Unlike the case of declining to write a letter for a weak student, allowing a potential faculty member to obscure his actions as a professor can have a much larger impact in my opinion. (Poor students fail out and are dismissed from the program; poor professors dodge and scramble, all the while affecting their students and colleagues).
I am uniquely equipped in my department to write at length about Steve's capabilities as a faculty member. I have done by far the most work with him out of any of the faculty. Steve already has a letter of recommendation from our department chair that expresses Steve's strong ability to obtain grants (one of his few positive capabilities). Steve likely could find one or two other faculty members to write him positive letters (even if they have to stretch the truth in order to save face before Steve). He obtained such letters for his intermediate review (done 3-4 years before applying for tenure as a means of gauging if a potential tenure candidate is progressing on the path). Because no one wanted to step up and write Steve a letter of reservation (i.e. "I have reservations about this candidate"), he continued to do the things that ended up leading to him being denied tenure. It cost the department time and money, as well as engendered a distrust of our department among the university administration.
With these two thoughts in mind, should I decline to write Steve a letter of recommendation?
ADDENDUM
I will admit that there is potential for a revenge factor here. I also feel that it is important that actions such as Steve's not be perpetuated. I am able to provide concrete examples and commentary on his fitness for a faculty position and would refrain from ad hominem attacks.
Because the LOR process would be kept private, I feel that I would have enough time to still submit each of the three publications Steve and I co-authored before Steve could possibly find out I had essentially blacklisted him. All three papers are in their final "submission-ready" format. We are literally just waiting for Steve to finish applying for new positions so that he can give the final submission approval as an author.
I have spoken with department administration about Steve's student. They are considering what to do in terms of interventions.
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The threat against the student should be surfaced immediately with the department chair. Likely they would allow you to take over as the advisor. Letting Steve hold a student hostage is not a good outcome for the department.
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
1
@SolarMike Under certain jurisdictions, references can be seen by the applicant.
– Captain Emacs
3 hours ago
5
@SolarMike Result: "Steve brought in a large grant once for the department. I wrote some papers with him and he gave me a bottle of $10 wine once. He usually can make it through a class without yelling the F-word. Steve has never killed a student."
– Vladhagen
3 hours ago
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@Thomas I think the problem is that refusing to write a recommendation very often results in increased hostility, no matter how good the reasons. I mean you're telling someone they aren't good enough for the life step they are currently trying to take, even if you're letting them know that they have potential for improvement. It's easy to say they should just be honest, but it's always far more nuanced when you are the one in that position. It's a very good - and a very tough - question.
– Misha R
1 hour ago
2
The chair probably took the right approach. If this is in the US, a search committee will read between the lines of a nominally positive letter and notice the selective omissions.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
 |Â
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The threat against the student should be surfaced immediately with the department chair. Likely they would allow you to take over as the advisor. Letting Steve hold a student hostage is not a good outcome for the department.
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
1
@SolarMike Under certain jurisdictions, references can be seen by the applicant.
– Captain Emacs
3 hours ago
5
@SolarMike Result: "Steve brought in a large grant once for the department. I wrote some papers with him and he gave me a bottle of $10 wine once. He usually can make it through a class without yelling the F-word. Steve has never killed a student."
– Vladhagen
3 hours ago
1
@Thomas I think the problem is that refusing to write a recommendation very often results in increased hostility, no matter how good the reasons. I mean you're telling someone they aren't good enough for the life step they are currently trying to take, even if you're letting them know that they have potential for improvement. It's easy to say they should just be honest, but it's always far more nuanced when you are the one in that position. It's a very good - and a very tough - question.
– Misha R
1 hour ago
2
The chair probably took the right approach. If this is in the US, a search committee will read between the lines of a nominally positive letter and notice the selective omissions.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
8
8
The threat against the student should be surfaced immediately with the department chair. Likely they would allow you to take over as the advisor. Letting Steve hold a student hostage is not a good outcome for the department.
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
The threat against the student should be surfaced immediately with the department chair. Likely they would allow you to take over as the advisor. Letting Steve hold a student hostage is not a good outcome for the department.
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
1
1
@SolarMike Under certain jurisdictions, references can be seen by the applicant.
– Captain Emacs
3 hours ago
@SolarMike Under certain jurisdictions, references can be seen by the applicant.
– Captain Emacs
3 hours ago
5
5
@SolarMike Result: "Steve brought in a large grant once for the department. I wrote some papers with him and he gave me a bottle of $10 wine once. He usually can make it through a class without yelling the F-word. Steve has never killed a student."
– Vladhagen
3 hours ago
@SolarMike Result: "Steve brought in a large grant once for the department. I wrote some papers with him and he gave me a bottle of $10 wine once. He usually can make it through a class without yelling the F-word. Steve has never killed a student."
– Vladhagen
3 hours ago
1
1
@Thomas I think the problem is that refusing to write a recommendation very often results in increased hostility, no matter how good the reasons. I mean you're telling someone they aren't good enough for the life step they are currently trying to take, even if you're letting them know that they have potential for improvement. It's easy to say they should just be honest, but it's always far more nuanced when you are the one in that position. It's a very good - and a very tough - question.
– Misha R
1 hour ago
@Thomas I think the problem is that refusing to write a recommendation very often results in increased hostility, no matter how good the reasons. I mean you're telling someone they aren't good enough for the life step they are currently trying to take, even if you're letting them know that they have potential for improvement. It's easy to say they should just be honest, but it's always far more nuanced when you are the one in that position. It's a very good - and a very tough - question.
– Misha R
1 hour ago
2
2
The chair probably took the right approach. If this is in the US, a search committee will read between the lines of a nominally positive letter and notice the selective omissions.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
The chair probably took the right approach. If this is in the US, a search committee will read between the lines of a nominally positive letter and notice the selective omissions.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago
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There is quite a bit going on here.
First things first: you seem to suggest that it is a code of honor among academics to never write a weak or negative recommendation letter or to omit all weak points in a letter. I think that's too strong. Indeed, when people suggest declining to write letters, I think they are mostly thinking of letters for students of whom they do not have a strong opinion, rather than a clear, qualified negative opinion. I would say rather that you can write a letter for whomever you want, and omitting weak points that you feel are crucially relevant to the position being applied to is an ethical lapse.
In your case, you say that you have strong feelings and strong evidence that your colleague Steve should not get another tenure track job. Given that, I think the correct thing to do is to write a letter for him. In that letter, you should take extra care that your criticism be 100% factual. Indeed, I would mostly or entirely restrict yourself to reporting the facts. You should be able to trust a hiring committee to put the pieces together correctly.
As an aside: getting a tenure track job is a significant achievement in the current job market. Getting a tenure track job after being denied tenure is much harder still. The idea that Steve can get another tenure track job using letters from the department that denied him tenure boggles my mind. I think that's essentially impossible: any positive things said in such letters will have to be outweighed by the fact that the department as a whole denied him tenure! (Or possibly the department supported him and his tenure was denied at a higher level. Even so, it would be hard for department members to make a convincing case.) A nice letter from the chair about grant support is not going to cut it.
There are some other aspects to your question that I find more alarming.
Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
That's really horrible. It's so horrible that in my view if you know about that and are not doing anything about it, you become somewhat complicit. Can you not take this student as your own? I think you should (or find some other way to ensure the student lands on her feet).
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day).
Indeed maybe you should not have collaborated with someone who is as uncooperative and immoral as you say Steve is. Some academic investments don't pay out. You don't need, and apparently don't want, to be held hostage to this person for the foreseeable future. It sounds like you have no guarantee that the work will come through successfully no matter what you do and that it very much depends on Steve's future career. I would seriously consider decoupling from him, even if that costs you a certain amount of academic work.
In summary: I suggest honesty all around while making extricating Steve's poor student from the situation as your top priority. Steve is trying to strongarm his student from a position of no power -- the university administration is not going to support him; on the contrary, they have already dimissed him! You should not pretend that you approve of Steve's actions. Neither should you try to "blacklist" him: just let the facts speak for themselves.
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There is quite a bit going on here.
First things first: you seem to suggest that it is a code of honor among academics to never write a weak or negative recommendation letter or to omit all weak points in a letter. I think that's too strong. Indeed, when people suggest declining to write letters, I think they are mostly thinking of letters for students of whom they do not have a strong opinion, rather than a clear, qualified negative opinion. I would say rather that you can write a letter for whomever you want, and omitting weak points that you feel are crucially relevant to the position being applied to is an ethical lapse.
In your case, you say that you have strong feelings and strong evidence that your colleague Steve should not get another tenure track job. Given that, I think the correct thing to do is to write a letter for him. In that letter, you should take extra care that your criticism be 100% factual. Indeed, I would mostly or entirely restrict yourself to reporting the facts. You should be able to trust a hiring committee to put the pieces together correctly.
As an aside: getting a tenure track job is a significant achievement in the current job market. Getting a tenure track job after being denied tenure is much harder still. The idea that Steve can get another tenure track job using letters from the department that denied him tenure boggles my mind. I think that's essentially impossible: any positive things said in such letters will have to be outweighed by the fact that the department as a whole denied him tenure! (Or possibly the department supported him and his tenure was denied at a higher level. Even so, it would be hard for department members to make a convincing case.) A nice letter from the chair about grant support is not going to cut it.
There are some other aspects to your question that I find more alarming.
Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
That's really horrible. It's so horrible that in my view if you know about that and are not doing anything about it, you become somewhat complicit. Can you not take this student as your own? I think you should (or find some other way to ensure the student lands on her feet).
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day).
Indeed maybe you should not have collaborated with someone who is as uncooperative and immoral as you say Steve is. Some academic investments don't pay out. You don't need, and apparently don't want, to be held hostage to this person for the foreseeable future. It sounds like you have no guarantee that the work will come through successfully no matter what you do and that it very much depends on Steve's future career. I would seriously consider decoupling from him, even if that costs you a certain amount of academic work.
In summary: I suggest honesty all around while making extricating Steve's poor student from the situation as your top priority. Steve is trying to strongarm his student from a position of no power -- the university administration is not going to support him; on the contrary, they have already dimissed him! You should not pretend that you approve of Steve's actions. Neither should you try to "blacklist" him: just let the facts speak for themselves.
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There is quite a bit going on here.
First things first: you seem to suggest that it is a code of honor among academics to never write a weak or negative recommendation letter or to omit all weak points in a letter. I think that's too strong. Indeed, when people suggest declining to write letters, I think they are mostly thinking of letters for students of whom they do not have a strong opinion, rather than a clear, qualified negative opinion. I would say rather that you can write a letter for whomever you want, and omitting weak points that you feel are crucially relevant to the position being applied to is an ethical lapse.
In your case, you say that you have strong feelings and strong evidence that your colleague Steve should not get another tenure track job. Given that, I think the correct thing to do is to write a letter for him. In that letter, you should take extra care that your criticism be 100% factual. Indeed, I would mostly or entirely restrict yourself to reporting the facts. You should be able to trust a hiring committee to put the pieces together correctly.
As an aside: getting a tenure track job is a significant achievement in the current job market. Getting a tenure track job after being denied tenure is much harder still. The idea that Steve can get another tenure track job using letters from the department that denied him tenure boggles my mind. I think that's essentially impossible: any positive things said in such letters will have to be outweighed by the fact that the department as a whole denied him tenure! (Or possibly the department supported him and his tenure was denied at a higher level. Even so, it would be hard for department members to make a convincing case.) A nice letter from the chair about grant support is not going to cut it.
There are some other aspects to your question that I find more alarming.
Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
That's really horrible. It's so horrible that in my view if you know about that and are not doing anything about it, you become somewhat complicit. Can you not take this student as your own? I think you should (or find some other way to ensure the student lands on her feet).
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day).
Indeed maybe you should not have collaborated with someone who is as uncooperative and immoral as you say Steve is. Some academic investments don't pay out. You don't need, and apparently don't want, to be held hostage to this person for the foreseeable future. It sounds like you have no guarantee that the work will come through successfully no matter what you do and that it very much depends on Steve's future career. I would seriously consider decoupling from him, even if that costs you a certain amount of academic work.
In summary: I suggest honesty all around while making extricating Steve's poor student from the situation as your top priority. Steve is trying to strongarm his student from a position of no power -- the university administration is not going to support him; on the contrary, they have already dimissed him! You should not pretend that you approve of Steve's actions. Neither should you try to "blacklist" him: just let the facts speak for themselves.
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There is quite a bit going on here.
First things first: you seem to suggest that it is a code of honor among academics to never write a weak or negative recommendation letter or to omit all weak points in a letter. I think that's too strong. Indeed, when people suggest declining to write letters, I think they are mostly thinking of letters for students of whom they do not have a strong opinion, rather than a clear, qualified negative opinion. I would say rather that you can write a letter for whomever you want, and omitting weak points that you feel are crucially relevant to the position being applied to is an ethical lapse.
In your case, you say that you have strong feelings and strong evidence that your colleague Steve should not get another tenure track job. Given that, I think the correct thing to do is to write a letter for him. In that letter, you should take extra care that your criticism be 100% factual. Indeed, I would mostly or entirely restrict yourself to reporting the facts. You should be able to trust a hiring committee to put the pieces together correctly.
As an aside: getting a tenure track job is a significant achievement in the current job market. Getting a tenure track job after being denied tenure is much harder still. The idea that Steve can get another tenure track job using letters from the department that denied him tenure boggles my mind. I think that's essentially impossible: any positive things said in such letters will have to be outweighed by the fact that the department as a whole denied him tenure! (Or possibly the department supported him and his tenure was denied at a higher level. Even so, it would be hard for department members to make a convincing case.) A nice letter from the chair about grant support is not going to cut it.
There are some other aspects to your question that I find more alarming.
Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
That's really horrible. It's so horrible that in my view if you know about that and are not doing anything about it, you become somewhat complicit. Can you not take this student as your own? I think you should (or find some other way to ensure the student lands on her feet).
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day).
Indeed maybe you should not have collaborated with someone who is as uncooperative and immoral as you say Steve is. Some academic investments don't pay out. You don't need, and apparently don't want, to be held hostage to this person for the foreseeable future. It sounds like you have no guarantee that the work will come through successfully no matter what you do and that it very much depends on Steve's future career. I would seriously consider decoupling from him, even if that costs you a certain amount of academic work.
In summary: I suggest honesty all around while making extricating Steve's poor student from the situation as your top priority. Steve is trying to strongarm his student from a position of no power -- the university administration is not going to support him; on the contrary, they have already dimissed him! You should not pretend that you approve of Steve's actions. Neither should you try to "blacklist" him: just let the facts speak for themselves.
answered 1 hour ago
Pete L. Clark
113k23301461
There is quite a bit going on here.
First things first: you seem to suggest that it is a code of honor among academics to never write a weak or negative recommendation letter or to omit all weak points in a letter. I think that's too strong. Indeed, when people suggest declining to write letters, I think they are mostly thinking of letters for students of whom they do not have a strong opinion, rather than a clear, qualified negative opinion. I would say rather that you can write a letter for whomever you want, and omitting weak points that you feel are crucially relevant to the position being applied to is an ethical lapse.
In your case, you say that you have strong feelings and strong evidence that your colleague Steve should not get another tenure track job. Given that, I think the correct thing to do is to write a letter for him. In that letter, you should take extra care that your criticism be 100% factual. Indeed, I would mostly or entirely restrict yourself to reporting the facts. You should be able to trust a hiring committee to put the pieces together correctly.
As an aside: getting a tenure track job is a significant achievement in the current job market. Getting a tenure track job after being denied tenure is much harder still. The idea that Steve can get another tenure track job using letters from the department that denied him tenure boggles my mind. I think that's essentially impossible: any positive things said in such letters will have to be outweighed by the fact that the department as a whole denied him tenure! (Or possibly the department supported him and his tenure was denied at a higher level. Even so, it would be hard for department members to make a convincing case.) A nice letter from the chair about grant support is not going to cut it.
There are some other aspects to your question that I find more alarming.
Steve has already informed this student that if she does not comply with helping him obtain a new position, he will not allow her to defend her dissertation in a few months.
That's really horrible. It's so horrible that in my view if you know about that and are not doing anything about it, you become somewhat complicit. Can you not take this student as your own? I think you should (or find some other way to ensure the student lands on her feet).
By declining to write Steve a LOR, I fear that he will refuse to cooperate on the pending publications we have. (And he has not exactly been cooperative to begin with. Again, there is a reason he is being dismissed). This would obviously affect my publications that I have worked on for the past two years. (I regret even getting tangled up with Steve. But that's a discussion for a different day).
Indeed maybe you should not have collaborated with someone who is as uncooperative and immoral as you say Steve is. Some academic investments don't pay out. You don't need, and apparently don't want, to be held hostage to this person for the foreseeable future. It sounds like you have no guarantee that the work will come through successfully no matter what you do and that it very much depends on Steve's future career. I would seriously consider decoupling from him, even if that costs you a certain amount of academic work.
In summary: I suggest honesty all around while making extricating Steve's poor student from the situation as your top priority. Steve is trying to strongarm his student from a position of no power -- the university administration is not going to support him; on the contrary, they have already dimissed him! You should not pretend that you approve of Steve's actions. Neither should you try to "blacklist" him: just let the facts speak for themselves.
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The threat against the student should be surfaced immediately with the department chair. Likely they would allow you to take over as the advisor. Letting Steve hold a student hostage is not a good outcome for the department.
– Jon Custer
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike Under certain jurisdictions, references can be seen by the applicant.
– Captain Emacs
3 hours ago
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@SolarMike Result: "Steve brought in a large grant once for the department. I wrote some papers with him and he gave me a bottle of $10 wine once. He usually can make it through a class without yelling the F-word. Steve has never killed a student."
– Vladhagen
3 hours ago
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@Thomas I think the problem is that refusing to write a recommendation very often results in increased hostility, no matter how good the reasons. I mean you're telling someone they aren't good enough for the life step they are currently trying to take, even if you're letting them know that they have potential for improvement. It's easy to say they should just be honest, but it's always far more nuanced when you are the one in that position. It's a very good - and a very tough - question.
– Misha R
1 hour ago
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The chair probably took the right approach. If this is in the US, a search committee will read between the lines of a nominally positive letter and notice the selective omissions.
– Elizabeth Henning
1 hour ago