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Why in FRA are small jets parked so far away from the runway despite taking a bus to get to them?
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Disclaimer: Total layman here.
I quite frequently fly into and out of FRA with regional jets (flight time advertised with 45m) and one thing that everyone is always annoyed about is that you basically spend the "same" amount in the air as in transit on the airfield (thats the correct term?) in Frankfurt.
Now this is a huge Airport, but what doesn't make any apparent sense is why you
- First have to walk 10 min to the gate in one direction
- Then board a bus there that takes about 10min to get you to the aircraft
- and then the aircraft will at least take 10-15min to roll to its start position on the runway.
Given that these regional connection flights are always on a tight schedule, I don't quite get why they do it this way.
Specifically, can anyone explain why, in FRA, these small jets are parked so far away from their landing/starting positions when you have to get there by bus anyway?
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Disclaimer: Total layman here.
I quite frequently fly into and out of FRA with regional jets (flight time advertised with 45m) and one thing that everyone is always annoyed about is that you basically spend the "same" amount in the air as in transit on the airfield (thats the correct term?) in Frankfurt.
Now this is a huge Airport, but what doesn't make any apparent sense is why you
- First have to walk 10 min to the gate in one direction
- Then board a bus there that takes about 10min to get you to the aircraft
- and then the aircraft will at least take 10-15min to roll to its start position on the runway.
Given that these regional connection flights are always on a tight schedule, I don't quite get why they do it this way.
Specifically, can anyone explain why, in FRA, these small jets are parked so far away from their landing/starting positions when you have to get there by bus anyway?
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Hm: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9500/… ... seems this is a near dupe wrt. to a different airport.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
The "driving" is called taxying.
– jcaron
1 hour ago
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Taxiing, rather.
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1 hour ago
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Disclaimer: Total layman here.
I quite frequently fly into and out of FRA with regional jets (flight time advertised with 45m) and one thing that everyone is always annoyed about is that you basically spend the "same" amount in the air as in transit on the airfield (thats the correct term?) in Frankfurt.
Now this is a huge Airport, but what doesn't make any apparent sense is why you
- First have to walk 10 min to the gate in one direction
- Then board a bus there that takes about 10min to get you to the aircraft
- and then the aircraft will at least take 10-15min to roll to its start position on the runway.
Given that these regional connection flights are always on a tight schedule, I don't quite get why they do it this way.
Specifically, can anyone explain why, in FRA, these small jets are parked so far away from their landing/starting positions when you have to get there by bus anyway?
taxiing airport-design airport-operations low-cost-carrier
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Disclaimer: Total layman here.
I quite frequently fly into and out of FRA with regional jets (flight time advertised with 45m) and one thing that everyone is always annoyed about is that you basically spend the "same" amount in the air as in transit on the airfield (thats the correct term?) in Frankfurt.
Now this is a huge Airport, but what doesn't make any apparent sense is why you
- First have to walk 10 min to the gate in one direction
- Then board a bus there that takes about 10min to get you to the aircraft
- and then the aircraft will at least take 10-15min to roll to its start position on the runway.
Given that these regional connection flights are always on a tight schedule, I don't quite get why they do it this way.
Specifically, can anyone explain why, in FRA, these small jets are parked so far away from their landing/starting positions when you have to get there by bus anyway?
taxiing airport-design airport-operations low-cost-carrier
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Hm: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9500/… ... seems this is a near dupe wrt. to a different airport.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
The "driving" is called taxying.
– jcaron
1 hour ago
1
Taxiing, rather.
– Tanner Swett
1 hour ago
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Hm: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9500/… ... seems this is a near dupe wrt. to a different airport.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
The "driving" is called taxying.
– jcaron
1 hour ago
1
Taxiing, rather.
– Tanner Swett
1 hour ago
Hm: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9500/… ... seems this is a near dupe wrt. to a different airport.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
Hm: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9500/… ... seems this is a near dupe wrt. to a different airport.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
The "driving" is called taxying.
– jcaron
1 hour ago
The "driving" is called taxying.
– jcaron
1 hour ago
1
1
Taxiing, rather.
– Tanner Swett
1 hour ago
Taxiing, rather.
– Tanner Swett
1 hour ago
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Why bus
The typical reason you use a bus to your low-cost carrier (LCC) is the cheaper 'remote stands'. But this doesn't mean the stand is necessarily closer to the runway where the planes take off and land.
See: Who decides whether an airline docks at a jetbridge or parks at a remote stand?
Can't be too close
A big area around the runway needs to be clear of tall tail fins, light poles, equipment, etc., as it may affect the navigation equipment near the runway or pose a hazard to landing/departing aircraft.
Example: Why do some airports park the aircraft backwards at the gate?
Queue
An LCC plane won't get ahead in line just because it's parked closer to the runway. If a plane at the terminal pushed back and started its engines before the one at a remote stand, it will typically be ahead by the time the LCC one is ready to go.
Shorter flights also typically use a more congested airspace (they don't fly too high, the flight is short, and it's busy near airports), so there might be a delay in releasing that flight.
Remote stand analogy
I'm not sure which remote stand you typically use, but also in airport design it's fairly common to have the remote stand share the same taxiway (the road planes use to get to the runway) as the terminal.
(Google Earth - FRA)
Think of it like this, there's a road with a mall and its fancy parking on one side (1), and the cheap parking across the road (2). Regardless of where you park, when it's time to reach the highway, cars from the two parking lots will eventually merge (3).
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I've recently experienced the same thing on Schiphol, but to me the things that you mention seem pretty obvious: its all down to economics.
There is only so much parking space around the airport terminals. Aicraft for regional routes are smaller (50-120 passengers) so using a few buses to shuttle the passengers around is only a small undertaking. This allows the aircraft to be parked further away from the terminals and I can imagine that this decreases airport fees for the flight.
The regional flights mainly have competition from trains, buses and car travel. Using an airport takes up a lot of time (you didnt even mention luggage check-in and security) and you have to move around a lot. But all in all people still choose air travel because it is faster/cheaper/less of a hassle then other modes of transport for that specific route.
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MadMarky
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What you write with the sapce around the terminal make much sense, but not my final question above: I would find it interesting why the airplanes are parked so far away / require so much driving around from the runway, when the pasgrs are ferried over by bus anyway. Would seem more efficient to have the bus drive further so that the taxiing of the plane could be shorter.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
1
Where should the aircraft parking be located according to you? Next to the runway? And which one? Airports like Frankfurt and Schiphol have many runways and which one are in use may change depending on wind direction and noise restrictions. And you don't want passenger aircraft to be parked at the other side of the airport, because you want as little traffic as possible crossing the runways and taxiways.
– MadMarky
2 hours ago
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2 Answers
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active
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active
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active
oldest
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up vote
3
down vote
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Why bus
The typical reason you use a bus to your low-cost carrier (LCC) is the cheaper 'remote stands'. But this doesn't mean the stand is necessarily closer to the runway where the planes take off and land.
See: Who decides whether an airline docks at a jetbridge or parks at a remote stand?
Can't be too close
A big area around the runway needs to be clear of tall tail fins, light poles, equipment, etc., as it may affect the navigation equipment near the runway or pose a hazard to landing/departing aircraft.
Example: Why do some airports park the aircraft backwards at the gate?
Queue
An LCC plane won't get ahead in line just because it's parked closer to the runway. If a plane at the terminal pushed back and started its engines before the one at a remote stand, it will typically be ahead by the time the LCC one is ready to go.
Shorter flights also typically use a more congested airspace (they don't fly too high, the flight is short, and it's busy near airports), so there might be a delay in releasing that flight.
Remote stand analogy
I'm not sure which remote stand you typically use, but also in airport design it's fairly common to have the remote stand share the same taxiway (the road planes use to get to the runway) as the terminal.
(Google Earth - FRA)
Think of it like this, there's a road with a mall and its fancy parking on one side (1), and the cheap parking across the road (2). Regardless of where you park, when it's time to reach the highway, cars from the two parking lots will eventually merge (3).
answered 1 hour ago
ymb1
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Why bus
The typical reason you use a bus to your low-cost carrier (LCC) is the cheaper 'remote stands'. But this doesn't mean the stand is necessarily closer to the runway where the planes take off and land.
See: Who decides whether an airline docks at a jetbridge or parks at a remote stand?
Can't be too close
A big area around the runway needs to be clear of tall tail fins, light poles, equipment, etc., as it may affect the navigation equipment near the runway or pose a hazard to landing/departing aircraft.
Example: Why do some airports park the aircraft backwards at the gate?
Queue
An LCC plane won't get ahead in line just because it's parked closer to the runway. If a plane at the terminal pushed back and started its engines before the one at a remote stand, it will typically be ahead by the time the LCC one is ready to go.
Shorter flights also typically use a more congested airspace (they don't fly too high, the flight is short, and it's busy near airports), so there might be a delay in releasing that flight.
Remote stand analogy
I'm not sure which remote stand you typically use, but also in airport design it's fairly common to have the remote stand share the same taxiway (the road planes use to get to the runway) as the terminal.
(Google Earth - FRA)
Think of it like this, there's a road with a mall and its fancy parking on one side (1), and the cheap parking across the road (2). Regardless of where you park, when it's time to reach the highway, cars from the two parking lots will eventually merge (3).
answered 1 hour ago
ymb1
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up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
Why bus
The typical reason you use a bus to your low-cost carrier (LCC) is the cheaper 'remote stands'. But this doesn't mean the stand is necessarily closer to the runway where the planes take off and land.
See: Who decides whether an airline docks at a jetbridge or parks at a remote stand?
Can't be too close
A big area around the runway needs to be clear of tall tail fins, light poles, equipment, etc., as it may affect the navigation equipment near the runway or pose a hazard to landing/departing aircraft.
Example: Why do some airports park the aircraft backwards at the gate?
Queue
An LCC plane won't get ahead in line just because it's parked closer to the runway. If a plane at the terminal pushed back and started its engines before the one at a remote stand, it will typically be ahead by the time the LCC one is ready to go.
Shorter flights also typically use a more congested airspace (they don't fly too high, the flight is short, and it's busy near airports), so there might be a delay in releasing that flight.
Remote stand analogy
I'm not sure which remote stand you typically use, but also in airport design it's fairly common to have the remote stand share the same taxiway (the road planes use to get to the runway) as the terminal.
(Google Earth - FRA)
Think of it like this, there's a road with a mall and its fancy parking on one side (1), and the cheap parking across the road (2). Regardless of where you park, when it's time to reach the highway, cars from the two parking lots will eventually merge (3).
answered 1 hour ago
ymb1
61.3k6192321
Why bus
The typical reason you use a bus to your low-cost carrier (LCC) is the cheaper 'remote stands'. But this doesn't mean the stand is necessarily closer to the runway where the planes take off and land.
See: Who decides whether an airline docks at a jetbridge or parks at a remote stand?
Can't be too close
A big area around the runway needs to be clear of tall tail fins, light poles, equipment, etc., as it may affect the navigation equipment near the runway or pose a hazard to landing/departing aircraft.
Example: Why do some airports park the aircraft backwards at the gate?
Queue
An LCC plane won't get ahead in line just because it's parked closer to the runway. If a plane at the terminal pushed back and started its engines before the one at a remote stand, it will typically be ahead by the time the LCC one is ready to go.
Shorter flights also typically use a more congested airspace (they don't fly too high, the flight is short, and it's busy near airports), so there might be a delay in releasing that flight.
Remote stand analogy
I'm not sure which remote stand you typically use, but also in airport design it's fairly common to have the remote stand share the same taxiway (the road planes use to get to the runway) as the terminal.
(Google Earth - FRA)
Think of it like this, there's a road with a mall and its fancy parking on one side (1), and the cheap parking across the road (2). Regardless of where you park, when it's time to reach the highway, cars from the two parking lots will eventually merge (3).
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I've recently experienced the same thing on Schiphol, but to me the things that you mention seem pretty obvious: its all down to economics.
There is only so much parking space around the airport terminals. Aicraft for regional routes are smaller (50-120 passengers) so using a few buses to shuttle the passengers around is only a small undertaking. This allows the aircraft to be parked further away from the terminals and I can imagine that this decreases airport fees for the flight.
The regional flights mainly have competition from trains, buses and car travel. Using an airport takes up a lot of time (you didnt even mention luggage check-in and security) and you have to move around a lot. But all in all people still choose air travel because it is faster/cheaper/less of a hassle then other modes of transport for that specific route.
answered 2 hours ago
MadMarky
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What you write with the sapce around the terminal make much sense, but not my final question above: I would find it interesting why the airplanes are parked so far away / require so much driving around from the runway, when the pasgrs are ferried over by bus anyway. Would seem more efficient to have the bus drive further so that the taxiing of the plane could be shorter.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
1
Where should the aircraft parking be located according to you? Next to the runway? And which one? Airports like Frankfurt and Schiphol have many runways and which one are in use may change depending on wind direction and noise restrictions. And you don't want passenger aircraft to be parked at the other side of the airport, because you want as little traffic as possible crossing the runways and taxiways.
– MadMarky
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
I've recently experienced the same thing on Schiphol, but to me the things that you mention seem pretty obvious: its all down to economics.
There is only so much parking space around the airport terminals. Aicraft for regional routes are smaller (50-120 passengers) so using a few buses to shuttle the passengers around is only a small undertaking. This allows the aircraft to be parked further away from the terminals and I can imagine that this decreases airport fees for the flight.
The regional flights mainly have competition from trains, buses and car travel. Using an airport takes up a lot of time (you didnt even mention luggage check-in and security) and you have to move around a lot. But all in all people still choose air travel because it is faster/cheaper/less of a hassle then other modes of transport for that specific route.
answered 2 hours ago
MadMarky
56112
What you write with the sapce around the terminal make much sense, but not my final question above: I would find it interesting why the airplanes are parked so far away / require so much driving around from the runway, when the pasgrs are ferried over by bus anyway. Would seem more efficient to have the bus drive further so that the taxiing of the plane could be shorter.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
1
Where should the aircraft parking be located according to you? Next to the runway? And which one? Airports like Frankfurt and Schiphol have many runways and which one are in use may change depending on wind direction and noise restrictions. And you don't want passenger aircraft to be parked at the other side of the airport, because you want as little traffic as possible crossing the runways and taxiways.
– MadMarky
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
I've recently experienced the same thing on Schiphol, but to me the things that you mention seem pretty obvious: its all down to economics.
There is only so much parking space around the airport terminals. Aicraft for regional routes are smaller (50-120 passengers) so using a few buses to shuttle the passengers around is only a small undertaking. This allows the aircraft to be parked further away from the terminals and I can imagine that this decreases airport fees for the flight.
The regional flights mainly have competition from trains, buses and car travel. Using an airport takes up a lot of time (you didnt even mention luggage check-in and security) and you have to move around a lot. But all in all people still choose air travel because it is faster/cheaper/less of a hassle then other modes of transport for that specific route.
answered 2 hours ago
MadMarky
56112
I've recently experienced the same thing on Schiphol, but to me the things that you mention seem pretty obvious: its all down to economics.
There is only so much parking space around the airport terminals. Aicraft for regional routes are smaller (50-120 passengers) so using a few buses to shuttle the passengers around is only a small undertaking. This allows the aircraft to be parked further away from the terminals and I can imagine that this decreases airport fees for the flight.
The regional flights mainly have competition from trains, buses and car travel. Using an airport takes up a lot of time (you didnt even mention luggage check-in and security) and you have to move around a lot. But all in all people still choose air travel because it is faster/cheaper/less of a hassle then other modes of transport for that specific route.
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MadMarky
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MadMarky
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MadMarky
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MadMarky
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56112
What you write with the sapce around the terminal make much sense, but not my final question above: I would find it interesting why the airplanes are parked so far away / require so much driving around from the runway, when the pasgrs are ferried over by bus anyway. Would seem more efficient to have the bus drive further so that the taxiing of the plane could be shorter.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
1
Where should the aircraft parking be located according to you? Next to the runway? And which one? Airports like Frankfurt and Schiphol have many runways and which one are in use may change depending on wind direction and noise restrictions. And you don't want passenger aircraft to be parked at the other side of the airport, because you want as little traffic as possible crossing the runways and taxiways.
– MadMarky
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
What you write with the sapce around the terminal make much sense, but not my final question above: I would find it interesting why the airplanes are parked so far away / require so much driving around from the runway, when the pasgrs are ferried over by bus anyway. Would seem more efficient to have the bus drive further so that the taxiing of the plane could be shorter.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
1
Where should the aircraft parking be located according to you? Next to the runway? And which one? Airports like Frankfurt and Schiphol have many runways and which one are in use may change depending on wind direction and noise restrictions. And you don't want passenger aircraft to be parked at the other side of the airport, because you want as little traffic as possible crossing the runways and taxiways.
– MadMarky
2 hours ago
What you write with the sapce around the terminal make much sense, but not my final question above: I would find it interesting why the airplanes are parked so far away / require so much driving around from the runway, when the pasgrs are ferried over by bus anyway. Would seem more efficient to have the bus drive further so that the taxiing of the plane could be shorter.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
What you write with the sapce around the terminal make much sense, but not my final question above: I would find it interesting why the airplanes are parked so far away / require so much driving around from the runway, when the pasgrs are ferried over by bus anyway. Would seem more efficient to have the bus drive further so that the taxiing of the plane could be shorter.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
1
1
Where should the aircraft parking be located according to you? Next to the runway? And which one? Airports like Frankfurt and Schiphol have many runways and which one are in use may change depending on wind direction and noise restrictions. And you don't want passenger aircraft to be parked at the other side of the airport, because you want as little traffic as possible crossing the runways and taxiways.
– MadMarky
2 hours ago
Where should the aircraft parking be located according to you? Next to the runway? And which one? Airports like Frankfurt and Schiphol have many runways and which one are in use may change depending on wind direction and noise restrictions. And you don't want passenger aircraft to be parked at the other side of the airport, because you want as little traffic as possible crossing the runways and taxiways.
– MadMarky
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
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Hm: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9500/… ... seems this is a near dupe wrt. to a different airport.
– Martin Ba
2 hours ago
The "driving" is called taxying.
– jcaron
1 hour ago
1
Taxiing, rather.
– Tanner Swett
1 hour ago