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What does Kanye (Ye) West actually mean by “Abolish the 13th Amendment�
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On his Saturday Night Live appearance two nights ago Kanye spoke on "abolishing the 13th amendment". (This may have been stewing for a while, but that is when I first became cognizant of it.)
Clearly (I believe) he doesn't desire a literal return of race-based slavery. What indications in his other statements and material are there on his actual meaning?
this represents good and America becoming whole again. We will no longer outsource to other countries. We build factories here in America and create jobs. We will provide jobs for all who are free from prisons as we abolish the 13th amendment. Message sent with love
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On his Saturday Night Live appearance two nights ago Kanye spoke on "abolishing the 13th amendment". (This may have been stewing for a while, but that is when I first became cognizant of it.)
Clearly (I believe) he doesn't desire a literal return of race-based slavery. What indications in his other statements and material are there on his actual meaning?
this represents good and America becoming whole again. We will no longer outsource to other countries. We build factories here in America and create jobs. We will provide jobs for all who are free from prisons as we abolish the 13th amendment. Message sent with love
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united-states constitution
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Isn't this just artistic freedom, rather than some serious policy proposal?
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@Machavity: Good edit. TY
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On his Saturday Night Live appearance two nights ago Kanye spoke on "abolishing the 13th amendment". (This may have been stewing for a while, but that is when I first became cognizant of it.)
Clearly (I believe) he doesn't desire a literal return of race-based slavery. What indications in his other statements and material are there on his actual meaning?
this represents good and America becoming whole again. We will no longer outsource to other countries. We build factories here in America and create jobs. We will provide jobs for all who are free from prisons as we abolish the 13th amendment. Message sent with love
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united-states constitution
edited 18 mins ago
Machavity
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asked 1 hour ago
Pieter Geerkens
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On his Saturday Night Live appearance two nights ago Kanye spoke on "abolishing the 13th amendment". (This may have been stewing for a while, but that is when I first became cognizant of it.)
Clearly (I believe) he doesn't desire a literal return of race-based slavery. What indications in his other statements and material are there on his actual meaning?
this represents good and America becoming whole again. We will no longer outsource to other countries. We build factories here in America and create jobs. We will provide jobs for all who are free from prisons as we abolish the 13th amendment. Message sent with love
Screen capture of original source
united-states constitution
united-states constitution
edited 18 mins ago
Machavity
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asked 1 hour ago
Pieter Geerkens
1697
edited 18 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
asked 1 hour ago
Pieter Geerkens
1697
edited 18 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
edited 18 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
edited 18 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
11.7k23465
asked 1 hour ago
Pieter Geerkens
1697
asked 1 hour ago
Pieter Geerkens
1697
asked 1 hour ago
Pieter Geerkens
1697
1697
Isn't this just artistic freedom, rather than some serious policy proposal?
– JJJ
54 mins ago
@Machavity: Good edit. TY
– Pieter Geerkens
16 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Isn't this just artistic freedom, rather than some serious policy proposal?
– JJJ
54 mins ago
@Machavity: Good edit. TY
– Pieter Geerkens
16 mins ago
Isn't this just artistic freedom, rather than some serious policy proposal?
– JJJ
54 mins ago
Isn't this just artistic freedom, rather than some serious policy proposal?
– JJJ
54 mins ago
@Machavity: Good edit. TY
– Pieter Geerkens
16 mins ago
@Machavity: Good edit. TY
– Pieter Geerkens
16 mins ago
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He seems to have meant amending it (quote below) to remove a the clause permitting slavery and forced labour as punishment for a crime.
So let us ask this possibly dicey question: What, exactly, was Kanye trying to say?
There is a fair chance he was referring to what’s called the 13th Amendment’s “exception clause,†as many speculated on Twitter. It’s the part of the amendment that literally allowed slavery and involuntary servitude to continue across the country, on plantations and within the barbed-wire fences of prisons. Scholars and prisoners’ advocates argue that its impact is still felt today through prison labor.
The argument is that:
The criminal justice system is strongly biased against poor black people.
These people wind up in prisons that are run for profit.
Part of the profit made by these prisons comes from forced labour by black people.
That profit is partly spent on lobbying for increased use of prison as a penalty for crime, thereby ensuring a steady stream of profitable inmates.
Hence this is a continuation of the enslavement of black people under the guise of criminal justice.
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
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answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
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Did West actually say this, or is the WP guessing that he meant this? (I can't read the article itself, as it's behind a paywall; If West did indeed clarify himself, do you mind including a small quote?)
– tim
37 mins ago
1
@tim WP is speculating, but Kanye's clarification seems to imply that's where he was heading.
– Machavity
26 mins ago
@Machavity Thanks!
– tim
25 mins ago
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West later clarified that he thinks that the 13th amendment is "slavery in disguise", so it seems fair to say that he does not want to return to race-based slavery.
Given Wests other recent comments and his further explanations in the linked video, it doesn't seem that he has a very clear message yet. As he puts it, it's a "work in progress" based on his feelings, and he has to do more research and get more information. He also said that he will further clarify tomorrow (I will update this answer if necessary).
If I had to guess, given that he also mentions prisons in the same sentence, he might be alluding to the exception of prison labor in the 13th amendment and it disproportionately affecting black people as well as it's link to slavery (see eg here). But again, West did not (yet) go into depth; all we can say for certain is that his clarification shows that he does not seem to be a proponent of slavery.
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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He seems to have meant amending it (quote below) to remove a the clause permitting slavery and forced labour as punishment for a crime.
So let us ask this possibly dicey question: What, exactly, was Kanye trying to say?
There is a fair chance he was referring to what’s called the 13th Amendment’s “exception clause,†as many speculated on Twitter. It’s the part of the amendment that literally allowed slavery and involuntary servitude to continue across the country, on plantations and within the barbed-wire fences of prisons. Scholars and prisoners’ advocates argue that its impact is still felt today through prison labor.
The argument is that:
The criminal justice system is strongly biased against poor black people.
These people wind up in prisons that are run for profit.
Part of the profit made by these prisons comes from forced labour by black people.
That profit is partly spent on lobbying for increased use of prison as a penalty for crime, thereby ensuring a steady stream of profitable inmates.
Hence this is a continuation of the enslavement of black people under the guise of criminal justice.
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
3,0471818
Did West actually say this, or is the WP guessing that he meant this? (I can't read the article itself, as it's behind a paywall; If West did indeed clarify himself, do you mind including a small quote?)
– tim
37 mins ago
1
@tim WP is speculating, but Kanye's clarification seems to imply that's where he was heading.
– Machavity
26 mins ago
@Machavity Thanks!
– tim
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
He seems to have meant amending it (quote below) to remove a the clause permitting slavery and forced labour as punishment for a crime.
So let us ask this possibly dicey question: What, exactly, was Kanye trying to say?
There is a fair chance he was referring to what’s called the 13th Amendment’s “exception clause,†as many speculated on Twitter. It’s the part of the amendment that literally allowed slavery and involuntary servitude to continue across the country, on plantations and within the barbed-wire fences of prisons. Scholars and prisoners’ advocates argue that its impact is still felt today through prison labor.
The argument is that:
The criminal justice system is strongly biased against poor black people.
These people wind up in prisons that are run for profit.
Part of the profit made by these prisons comes from forced labour by black people.
That profit is partly spent on lobbying for increased use of prison as a penalty for crime, thereby ensuring a steady stream of profitable inmates.
Hence this is a continuation of the enslavement of black people under the guise of criminal justice.
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
3,0471818
Did West actually say this, or is the WP guessing that he meant this? (I can't read the article itself, as it's behind a paywall; If West did indeed clarify himself, do you mind including a small quote?)
– tim
37 mins ago
1
@tim WP is speculating, but Kanye's clarification seems to imply that's where he was heading.
– Machavity
26 mins ago
@Machavity Thanks!
– tim
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
He seems to have meant amending it (quote below) to remove a the clause permitting slavery and forced labour as punishment for a crime.
So let us ask this possibly dicey question: What, exactly, was Kanye trying to say?
There is a fair chance he was referring to what’s called the 13th Amendment’s “exception clause,†as many speculated on Twitter. It’s the part of the amendment that literally allowed slavery and involuntary servitude to continue across the country, on plantations and within the barbed-wire fences of prisons. Scholars and prisoners’ advocates argue that its impact is still felt today through prison labor.
The argument is that:
The criminal justice system is strongly biased against poor black people.
These people wind up in prisons that are run for profit.
Part of the profit made by these prisons comes from forced labour by black people.
That profit is partly spent on lobbying for increased use of prison as a penalty for crime, thereby ensuring a steady stream of profitable inmates.
Hence this is a continuation of the enslavement of black people under the guise of criminal justice.
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
3,0471818
He seems to have meant amending it (quote below) to remove a the clause permitting slavery and forced labour as punishment for a crime.
So let us ask this possibly dicey question: What, exactly, was Kanye trying to say?
There is a fair chance he was referring to what’s called the 13th Amendment’s “exception clause,†as many speculated on Twitter. It’s the part of the amendment that literally allowed slavery and involuntary servitude to continue across the country, on plantations and within the barbed-wire fences of prisons. Scholars and prisoners’ advocates argue that its impact is still felt today through prison labor.
The argument is that:
The criminal justice system is strongly biased against poor black people.
These people wind up in prisons that are run for profit.
Part of the profit made by these prisons comes from forced labour by black people.
That profit is partly spent on lobbying for increased use of prison as a penalty for crime, thereby ensuring a steady stream of profitable inmates.
Hence this is a continuation of the enslavement of black people under the guise of criminal justice.
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
3,0471818
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
edited 27 mins ago
Machavity
11.7k23465
11.7k23465
answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
3,0471818
answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
3,0471818
answered 42 mins ago
Paul Johnson
3,0471818
3,0471818
Did West actually say this, or is the WP guessing that he meant this? (I can't read the article itself, as it's behind a paywall; If West did indeed clarify himself, do you mind including a small quote?)
– tim
37 mins ago
1
@tim WP is speculating, but Kanye's clarification seems to imply that's where he was heading.
– Machavity
26 mins ago
@Machavity Thanks!
– tim
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Did West actually say this, or is the WP guessing that he meant this? (I can't read the article itself, as it's behind a paywall; If West did indeed clarify himself, do you mind including a small quote?)
– tim
37 mins ago
1
@tim WP is speculating, but Kanye's clarification seems to imply that's where he was heading.
– Machavity
26 mins ago
@Machavity Thanks!
– tim
25 mins ago
Did West actually say this, or is the WP guessing that he meant this? (I can't read the article itself, as it's behind a paywall; If West did indeed clarify himself, do you mind including a small quote?)
– tim
37 mins ago
Did West actually say this, or is the WP guessing that he meant this? (I can't read the article itself, as it's behind a paywall; If West did indeed clarify himself, do you mind including a small quote?)
– tim
37 mins ago
1
1
@tim WP is speculating, but Kanye's clarification seems to imply that's where he was heading.
– Machavity
26 mins ago
@tim WP is speculating, but Kanye's clarification seems to imply that's where he was heading.
– Machavity
26 mins ago
@Machavity Thanks!
– tim
25 mins ago
@Machavity Thanks!
– tim
25 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
West later clarified that he thinks that the 13th amendment is "slavery in disguise", so it seems fair to say that he does not want to return to race-based slavery.
Given Wests other recent comments and his further explanations in the linked video, it doesn't seem that he has a very clear message yet. As he puts it, it's a "work in progress" based on his feelings, and he has to do more research and get more information. He also said that he will further clarify tomorrow (I will update this answer if necessary).
If I had to guess, given that he also mentions prisons in the same sentence, he might be alluding to the exception of prison labor in the 13th amendment and it disproportionately affecting black people as well as it's link to slavery (see eg here). But again, West did not (yet) go into depth; all we can say for certain is that his clarification shows that he does not seem to be a proponent of slavery.
answered 41 mins ago
tim
14.6k53870
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
West later clarified that he thinks that the 13th amendment is "slavery in disguise", so it seems fair to say that he does not want to return to race-based slavery.
Given Wests other recent comments and his further explanations in the linked video, it doesn't seem that he has a very clear message yet. As he puts it, it's a "work in progress" based on his feelings, and he has to do more research and get more information. He also said that he will further clarify tomorrow (I will update this answer if necessary).
If I had to guess, given that he also mentions prisons in the same sentence, he might be alluding to the exception of prison labor in the 13th amendment and it disproportionately affecting black people as well as it's link to slavery (see eg here). But again, West did not (yet) go into depth; all we can say for certain is that his clarification shows that he does not seem to be a proponent of slavery.
answered 41 mins ago
tim
14.6k53870
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
West later clarified that he thinks that the 13th amendment is "slavery in disguise", so it seems fair to say that he does not want to return to race-based slavery.
Given Wests other recent comments and his further explanations in the linked video, it doesn't seem that he has a very clear message yet. As he puts it, it's a "work in progress" based on his feelings, and he has to do more research and get more information. He also said that he will further clarify tomorrow (I will update this answer if necessary).
If I had to guess, given that he also mentions prisons in the same sentence, he might be alluding to the exception of prison labor in the 13th amendment and it disproportionately affecting black people as well as it's link to slavery (see eg here). But again, West did not (yet) go into depth; all we can say for certain is that his clarification shows that he does not seem to be a proponent of slavery.
answered 41 mins ago
tim
14.6k53870
West later clarified that he thinks that the 13th amendment is "slavery in disguise", so it seems fair to say that he does not want to return to race-based slavery.
Given Wests other recent comments and his further explanations in the linked video, it doesn't seem that he has a very clear message yet. As he puts it, it's a "work in progress" based on his feelings, and he has to do more research and get more information. He also said that he will further clarify tomorrow (I will update this answer if necessary).
If I had to guess, given that he also mentions prisons in the same sentence, he might be alluding to the exception of prison labor in the 13th amendment and it disproportionately affecting black people as well as it's link to slavery (see eg here). But again, West did not (yet) go into depth; all we can say for certain is that his clarification shows that he does not seem to be a proponent of slavery.
answered 41 mins ago
tim
14.6k53870
answered 41 mins ago
tim
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answered 41 mins ago
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answered 41 mins ago
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Isn't this just artistic freedom, rather than some serious policy proposal?
– JJJ
54 mins ago
@Machavity: Good edit. TY
– Pieter Geerkens
16 mins ago