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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
dnd-5e feats two-weapon-fighting improvised-weaponry
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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is still an improvised weapon, but can be treated as a similar weapon (a club), if your character proficient with it. So it has both the properties of improvised and the similar weapon.
Note: This treatment is also has two conditions: at DM's discretion, and only if the they are proficient with said weapon. Most (if not all) character is proficient with simple weapon, however.
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
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Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
55 mins ago
@rav the key part is "as if" which I bolded in the answer. It is still an improvised weapon, however at the DM's discretion, it can be treated as a similar weapon. And only to a character that is proficient with the similar weapon. I'll update for clarity.
– Vylix
40 mins ago
The part of descriptionAt the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.only reffers to DM allowing using proficiency bonus from some other weapon which is irrelevant in case ofTavern Brawlerthat gives character proficiency in improvised weapons. Am I right?
– rav
22 mins ago
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is still an improvised weapon, but can be treated as a similar weapon (a club), if your character proficient with it. So it has both the properties of improvised and the similar weapon.
Note: This treatment is also has two conditions: at DM's discretion, and only if the they are proficient with said weapon. Most (if not all) character is proficient with simple weapon, however.
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
answered 2 hours ago
Vylix
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Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
55 mins ago
@rav the key part is "as if" which I bolded in the answer. It is still an improvised weapon, however at the DM's discretion, it can be treated as a similar weapon. And only to a character that is proficient with the similar weapon. I'll update for clarity.
– Vylix
40 mins ago
The part of descriptionAt the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.only reffers to DM allowing using proficiency bonus from some other weapon which is irrelevant in case ofTavern Brawlerthat gives character proficiency in improvised weapons. Am I right?
– rav
22 mins ago
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You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is still an improvised weapon, but can be treated as a similar weapon (a club), if your character proficient with it. So it has both the properties of improvised and the similar weapon.
Note: This treatment is also has two conditions: at DM's discretion, and only if the they are proficient with said weapon. Most (if not all) character is proficient with simple weapon, however.
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
answered 2 hours ago
Vylix
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Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
55 mins ago
@rav the key part is "as if" which I bolded in the answer. It is still an improvised weapon, however at the DM's discretion, it can be treated as a similar weapon. And only to a character that is proficient with the similar weapon. I'll update for clarity.
– Vylix
40 mins ago
The part of descriptionAt the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.only reffers to DM allowing using proficiency bonus from some other weapon which is irrelevant in case ofTavern Brawlerthat gives character proficiency in improvised weapons. Am I right?
– rav
22 mins ago
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is still an improvised weapon, but can be treated as a similar weapon (a club), if your character proficient with it. So it has both the properties of improvised and the similar weapon.
Note: This treatment is also has two conditions: at DM's discretion, and only if the they are proficient with said weapon. Most (if not all) character is proficient with simple weapon, however.
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
answered 2 hours ago
Vylix
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is still an improvised weapon, but can be treated as a similar weapon (a club), if your character proficient with it. So it has both the properties of improvised and the similar weapon.
Note: This treatment is also has two conditions: at DM's discretion, and only if the they are proficient with said weapon. Most (if not all) character is proficient with simple weapon, however.
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
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Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
55 mins ago
@rav the key part is "as if" which I bolded in the answer. It is still an improvised weapon, however at the DM's discretion, it can be treated as a similar weapon. And only to a character that is proficient with the similar weapon. I'll update for clarity.
– Vylix
40 mins ago
The part of descriptionAt the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.only reffers to DM allowing using proficiency bonus from some other weapon which is irrelevant in case ofTavern Brawlerthat gives character proficiency in improvised weapons. Am I right?
– rav
22 mins ago
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Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
55 mins ago
@rav the key part is "as if" which I bolded in the answer. It is still an improvised weapon, however at the DM's discretion, it can be treated as a similar weapon. And only to a character that is proficient with the similar weapon. I'll update for clarity.
– Vylix
40 mins ago
The part of descriptionAt the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.only reffers to DM allowing using proficiency bonus from some other weapon which is irrelevant in case ofTavern Brawlerthat gives character proficiency in improvised weapons. Am I right?
– rav
22 mins ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
55 mins ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
55 mins ago
@rav the key part is "as if" which I bolded in the answer. It is still an improvised weapon, however at the DM's discretion, it can be treated as a similar weapon. And only to a character that is proficient with the similar weapon. I'll update for clarity.
– Vylix
40 mins ago
@rav the key part is "as if" which I bolded in the answer. It is still an improvised weapon, however at the DM's discretion, it can be treated as a similar weapon. And only to a character that is proficient with the similar weapon. I'll update for clarity.
– Vylix
40 mins ago
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At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus. only reffers to DM allowing using proficiency bonus from some other weapon which is irrelevant in case of Tavern Brawler that gives character proficiency in improvised weapons. Am I right?– rav
22 mins ago
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At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus. only reffers to DM allowing using proficiency bonus from some other weapon which is irrelevant in case of Tavern Brawler that gives character proficiency in improvised weapons. Am I right?– rav
22 mins ago
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