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Did 手å–り足å–り come from Portuguese?
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I came across this question on Yahoo where the answerer claims that the expression 手å–り足å–り is based on a Portuguese phrase, transliterated as テトゥーリァ・シトル and supposedly meaning "to describe in great detail". Is there any evidence for this? If so, how is the original phrase spelled?
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I came across this question on Yahoo where the answerer claims that the expression 手å–り足å–り is based on a Portuguese phrase, transliterated as テトゥーリァ・シトル and supposedly meaning "to describe in great detail". Is there any evidence for this? If so, how is the original phrase spelled?
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There is at least a counter-evidence. This twitter account is keeping posting obviously fake trivia, and its tweets include this one.
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I must say 知æµ袋 is full of fake facts because it has no way to downvote or correct wrong answers like on this site. And the system allows users to gain many scores only by posting many short and wrong answers... You should take everything written there with a grain of salt.
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I came across this question on Yahoo where the answerer claims that the expression 手å–り足å–り is based on a Portuguese phrase, transliterated as テトゥーリァ・シトル and supposedly meaning "to describe in great detail". Is there any evidence for this? If so, how is the original phrase spelled?
etymology
asked 2 hours ago
kuchitsu
1,7381516
I came across this question on Yahoo where the answerer claims that the expression 手å–り足å–り is based on a Portuguese phrase, transliterated as テトゥーリァ・シトル and supposedly meaning "to describe in great detail". Is there any evidence for this? If so, how is the original phrase spelled?
etymology
etymology
asked 2 hours ago
kuchitsu
1,7381516
asked 2 hours ago
kuchitsu
1,7381516
asked 2 hours ago
kuchitsu
1,7381516
asked 2 hours ago
kuchitsu
1,7381516
asked 2 hours ago
kuchitsu
1,7381516
1,7381516
1
There is at least a counter-evidence. This twitter account is keeping posting obviously fake trivia, and its tweets include this one.
– naruto
1 hour ago
1
I must say 知æµ袋 is full of fake facts because it has no way to downvote or correct wrong answers like on this site. And the system allows users to gain many scores only by posting many short and wrong answers... You should take everything written there with a grain of salt.
– naruto
1 hour ago
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There is at least a counter-evidence. This twitter account is keeping posting obviously fake trivia, and its tweets include this one.
– naruto
1 hour ago
1
I must say 知æµ袋 is full of fake facts because it has no way to downvote or correct wrong answers like on this site. And the system allows users to gain many scores only by posting many short and wrong answers... You should take everything written there with a grain of salt.
– naruto
1 hour ago
1
1
There is at least a counter-evidence. This twitter account is keeping posting obviously fake trivia, and its tweets include this one.
– naruto
1 hour ago
There is at least a counter-evidence. This twitter account is keeping posting obviously fake trivia, and its tweets include this one.
– naruto
1 hour ago
1
1
I must say 知æµ袋 is full of fake facts because it has no way to downvote or correct wrong answers like on this site. And the system allows users to gain many scores only by posting many short and wrong answers... You should take everything written there with a grain of salt.
– naruto
1 hour ago
I must say 知æµ袋 is full of fake facts because it has no way to downvote or correct wrong answers like on this site. And the system allows users to gain many scores only by posting many short and wrong answers... You should take everything written there with a grain of salt.
– naruto
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Research: Portuguese
I'm not fluent by any means, but I am somewhat familiar with Portuguese. Try as I might, I cannot find a likely match for the purported Portuguese source expression. The closest match for the テトゥーリァ portion would seem to be tutelar ("to guard or protect; to tutor", entry on the Portuguese Wiktionary), but the vowel order is wrong, and none of the conjugated forms match either. Nor can I find any likely match for シトル.
Research: Japanese
Reputable and comprehensive Japanese dictionaries, such as Shogakukan's 国語大辞典 which gives extensive etymologies where available, make no mention of any Portuguese derivation. A purely-Japanese derivation also makes sense in this case, unlike in cases such as 天婦羅ã€Âã¦んã·ら】 (in part from Portuguese temperar, "to season", cognate with English "temper", and in part from Portuguese têmpora, "Ember Days", a Catholic holiday when red meat is avoided, cognate with English "temporary") or 金平糖ã€Âã“んãºã„ã¨ã†】 (from Portuguese confeito, cognate with English "confetti"), etc. etc.
Conclusion
Considering the lack of any sourcing, the lack of any apparent matches in Portuguese, the Japanese-only derivations mentioned in dictionaries, and the additional indications of bogosity pointed out by naruto, I will tentatively call "bullshit" on the Yahoo thread.
answered 1 hour ago
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
4
down vote
Research: Portuguese
I'm not fluent by any means, but I am somewhat familiar with Portuguese. Try as I might, I cannot find a likely match for the purported Portuguese source expression. The closest match for the テトゥーリァ portion would seem to be tutelar ("to guard or protect; to tutor", entry on the Portuguese Wiktionary), but the vowel order is wrong, and none of the conjugated forms match either. Nor can I find any likely match for シトル.
Research: Japanese
Reputable and comprehensive Japanese dictionaries, such as Shogakukan's 国語大辞典 which gives extensive etymologies where available, make no mention of any Portuguese derivation. A purely-Japanese derivation also makes sense in this case, unlike in cases such as 天婦羅ã€Âã¦んã·ら】 (in part from Portuguese temperar, "to season", cognate with English "temper", and in part from Portuguese têmpora, "Ember Days", a Catholic holiday when red meat is avoided, cognate with English "temporary") or 金平糖ã€Âã“んãºã„ã¨ã†】 (from Portuguese confeito, cognate with English "confetti"), etc. etc.
Conclusion
Considering the lack of any sourcing, the lack of any apparent matches in Portuguese, the Japanese-only derivations mentioned in dictionaries, and the additional indications of bogosity pointed out by naruto, I will tentatively call "bullshit" on the Yahoo thread.
answered 1 hour ago
EirÃkr Útlendi
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up vote
4
down vote
Research: Portuguese
I'm not fluent by any means, but I am somewhat familiar with Portuguese. Try as I might, I cannot find a likely match for the purported Portuguese source expression. The closest match for the テトゥーリァ portion would seem to be tutelar ("to guard or protect; to tutor", entry on the Portuguese Wiktionary), but the vowel order is wrong, and none of the conjugated forms match either. Nor can I find any likely match for シトル.
Research: Japanese
Reputable and comprehensive Japanese dictionaries, such as Shogakukan's 国語大辞典 which gives extensive etymologies where available, make no mention of any Portuguese derivation. A purely-Japanese derivation also makes sense in this case, unlike in cases such as 天婦羅ã€Âã¦んã·ら】 (in part from Portuguese temperar, "to season", cognate with English "temper", and in part from Portuguese têmpora, "Ember Days", a Catholic holiday when red meat is avoided, cognate with English "temporary") or 金平糖ã€Âã“んãºã„ã¨ã†】 (from Portuguese confeito, cognate with English "confetti"), etc. etc.
Conclusion
Considering the lack of any sourcing, the lack of any apparent matches in Portuguese, the Japanese-only derivations mentioned in dictionaries, and the additional indications of bogosity pointed out by naruto, I will tentatively call "bullshit" on the Yahoo thread.
answered 1 hour ago
EirÃkr Útlendi
14.4k12652
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
Research: Portuguese
I'm not fluent by any means, but I am somewhat familiar with Portuguese. Try as I might, I cannot find a likely match for the purported Portuguese source expression. The closest match for the テトゥーリァ portion would seem to be tutelar ("to guard or protect; to tutor", entry on the Portuguese Wiktionary), but the vowel order is wrong, and none of the conjugated forms match either. Nor can I find any likely match for シトル.
Research: Japanese
Reputable and comprehensive Japanese dictionaries, such as Shogakukan's 国語大辞典 which gives extensive etymologies where available, make no mention of any Portuguese derivation. A purely-Japanese derivation also makes sense in this case, unlike in cases such as 天婦羅ã€Âã¦んã·ら】 (in part from Portuguese temperar, "to season", cognate with English "temper", and in part from Portuguese têmpora, "Ember Days", a Catholic holiday when red meat is avoided, cognate with English "temporary") or 金平糖ã€Âã“んãºã„ã¨ã†】 (from Portuguese confeito, cognate with English "confetti"), etc. etc.
Conclusion
Considering the lack of any sourcing, the lack of any apparent matches in Portuguese, the Japanese-only derivations mentioned in dictionaries, and the additional indications of bogosity pointed out by naruto, I will tentatively call "bullshit" on the Yahoo thread.
answered 1 hour ago
EirÃkr Útlendi
14.4k12652
Research: Portuguese
I'm not fluent by any means, but I am somewhat familiar with Portuguese. Try as I might, I cannot find a likely match for the purported Portuguese source expression. The closest match for the テトゥーリァ portion would seem to be tutelar ("to guard or protect; to tutor", entry on the Portuguese Wiktionary), but the vowel order is wrong, and none of the conjugated forms match either. Nor can I find any likely match for シトル.
Research: Japanese
Reputable and comprehensive Japanese dictionaries, such as Shogakukan's 国語大辞典 which gives extensive etymologies where available, make no mention of any Portuguese derivation. A purely-Japanese derivation also makes sense in this case, unlike in cases such as 天婦羅ã€Âã¦んã·ら】 (in part from Portuguese temperar, "to season", cognate with English "temper", and in part from Portuguese têmpora, "Ember Days", a Catholic holiday when red meat is avoided, cognate with English "temporary") or 金平糖ã€Âã“んãºã„ã¨ã†】 (from Portuguese confeito, cognate with English "confetti"), etc. etc.
Conclusion
Considering the lack of any sourcing, the lack of any apparent matches in Portuguese, the Japanese-only derivations mentioned in dictionaries, and the additional indications of bogosity pointed out by naruto, I will tentatively call "bullshit" on the Yahoo thread.
answered 1 hour ago
EirÃkr Útlendi
14.4k12652
answered 1 hour ago
EirÃkr Útlendi
14.4k12652
answered 1 hour ago
EirÃkr Útlendi
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answered 1 hour ago
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There is at least a counter-evidence. This twitter account is keeping posting obviously fake trivia, and its tweets include this one.
– naruto
1 hour ago
1
I must say 知æµ袋 is full of fake facts because it has no way to downvote or correct wrong answers like on this site. And the system allows users to gain many scores only by posting many short and wrong answers... You should take everything written there with a grain of salt.
– naruto
1 hour ago