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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
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In PHB, the 2nd paragraph of the description of Improvised Weapons (p. 147) states:
In many cases, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and
can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At
the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a
similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her
proficiency bonus.
If I am understanding this correctly, then the mentioned table leg (or similar object) can be treated as a club. If that is correct, then it would have the light property, as the club has it. If that is also correct, that would mean I can wield a light weapon in one hand and an improvised club-like weapon in other hand, and use Two-Weapon Fighting with those, as both are light.
If all of that is still correct, then can an improvised weapon that is similar enough to a real weapon - e.g. a table leg used as a club - still be treated as an improvised weapon for the purpose of the last bullet point in the Tavern Brawler feat (PHB, p. 170)?
Specific scenario that I am wondering about: I wield a Scimitar (a light weapon) in one hand and a table leg (treated as a club, so also light) in the other hand. On my turn, I attack with the table leg as my Attack action. Then one of two things happen:
I miss - then, as both wielded weapons are light, I proceed to attack with my scimitar (per Two-Weapon Fighting)
I hit - then I drop one of my weapons to free one of my hands and attempt to grapple the target.
Of course this is assuming that I have the Tavern Brawler feat, which states:
- You are proficient with improvised weapons.
- Your unarmed strike uses a d4 for damage.
- When you hit a creature with an unarmed strike or an improvised weapon on your turn, you can use a bonus action to attempt to grapple the target.
Does all of that work as I've described, or is there somewhere a flaw in my reasoning?
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is an improvised weapon and treated as a similar weapon (a club).
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
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@TuggyNE oh right, i misread the scenarios. I thought it was a series of event (1, then 2). I need to read more carefully next time.
– Vylix
1 hour ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is an improvised weapon and treated as a similar weapon (a club).
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
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@TuggyNE oh right, i misread the scenarios. I thought it was a series of event (1, then 2). I need to read more carefully next time.
– Vylix
1 hour ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
9 mins ago
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is an improvised weapon and treated as a similar weapon (a club).
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
6,32712288
@TuggyNE oh right, i misread the scenarios. I thought it was a series of event (1, then 2). I need to read more carefully next time.
– Vylix
1 hour ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
9 mins ago
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is an improvised weapon and treated as a similar weapon (a club).
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
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Yes
You are correct that improvised weapon is still an improvised weapon, thus you still have the option to grapple the target with your bonus action.
At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
It is an improvised weapon and treated as a similar weapon (a club).
In short:
- If you miss with the leg table, then you can only use your bonus action to attack with scimitar.
- If you hit with the leg table, then you can use your bonus action to attack with scimitar, or grapple the target.
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answered 1 hour ago
Vylix
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answered 1 hour ago
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@TuggyNE oh right, i misread the scenarios. I thought it was a series of event (1, then 2). I need to read more carefully next time.
– Vylix
1 hour ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
9 mins ago
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@TuggyNE oh right, i misread the scenarios. I thought it was a series of event (1, then 2). I need to read more carefully next time.
– Vylix
1 hour ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
9 mins ago
@TuggyNE oh right, i misread the scenarios. I thought it was a series of event (1, then 2). I need to read more carefully next time.
– Vylix
1 hour ago
@TuggyNE oh right, i misread the scenarios. I thought it was a series of event (1, then 2). I need to read more carefully next time.
– Vylix
1 hour ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
9 mins ago
Thank you for your answer. I also assumed it would work that way, however I had this talk already with someone that claimed that if I treat improvised weapon as similar regular weapon it no longer act as improvised one - it was his interpretation and in I can also see the point there. Can it be somehow dissproven?
– rav
9 mins ago
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