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I have just become eligible for a senior railcard. This question is more in hope than expectation: can I get any discounts outside the UK?
I guess that the answer is no. The FAQ page tells me that it is not valid in the Republic of Ireland or even Northern Ireland so it is not actually even a whole UK railcard. This strongly suggests but does not confirm that it has no value beyond.
UK railcard FAQs
Addition: I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage
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I have just become eligible for a senior railcard. This question is more in hope than expectation: can I get any discounts outside the UK?
I guess that the answer is no. The FAQ page tells me that it is not valid in the Republic of Ireland or even Northern Ireland so it is not actually even a whole UK railcard. This strongly suggests but does not confirm that it has no value beyond.
UK railcard FAQs
Addition: I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage
uk trains
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badjohn
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There are no UK railcards, the largest area covered by any railcard is Great Britain.
– gerrit
1 hour ago
@gerrit So, I found from the FAQ and I mentioned in my text: "not actually even a whole UK railcard".
– badjohn
1 hour ago
I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
As with may things with UK trains there are always exceptions, while the UK is to broad a term for the area covered by a national railcard due to Northern Island. Grrat Britain is a too restrictive regions as railcards are valid on the Isle of White which is not part of Great Britain. There are also some local railcards valid in much smaller regions.
– skifans
55 mins ago
@skifans "Great Britain" is often taken to be a semi-geographical, semi-political term that includes the main island plus smaller islands which are really politically indistinct from the main island (so the Isle of Wight, Anglesea, etc.)
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51 mins ago
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I have just become eligible for a senior railcard. This question is more in hope than expectation: can I get any discounts outside the UK?
I guess that the answer is no. The FAQ page tells me that it is not valid in the Republic of Ireland or even Northern Ireland so it is not actually even a whole UK railcard. This strongly suggests but does not confirm that it has no value beyond.
UK railcard FAQs
Addition: I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage
uk trains
asked 1 hour ago
badjohn
2,074723
I have just become eligible for a senior railcard. This question is more in hope than expectation: can I get any discounts outside the UK?
I guess that the answer is no. The FAQ page tells me that it is not valid in the Republic of Ireland or even Northern Ireland so it is not actually even a whole UK railcard. This strongly suggests but does not confirm that it has no value beyond.
UK railcard FAQs
Addition: I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage
uk trains
uk trains
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badjohn
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badjohn
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There are no UK railcards, the largest area covered by any railcard is Great Britain.
– gerrit
1 hour ago
@gerrit So, I found from the FAQ and I mentioned in my text: "not actually even a whole UK railcard".
– badjohn
1 hour ago
I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
As with may things with UK trains there are always exceptions, while the UK is to broad a term for the area covered by a national railcard due to Northern Island. Grrat Britain is a too restrictive regions as railcards are valid on the Isle of White which is not part of Great Britain. There are also some local railcards valid in much smaller regions.
– skifans
55 mins ago
@skifans "Great Britain" is often taken to be a semi-geographical, semi-political term that includes the main island plus smaller islands which are really politically indistinct from the main island (so the Isle of Wight, Anglesea, etc.)
– Muzer
51 mins ago
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There are no UK railcards, the largest area covered by any railcard is Great Britain.
– gerrit
1 hour ago
@gerrit So, I found from the FAQ and I mentioned in my text: "not actually even a whole UK railcard".
– badjohn
1 hour ago
I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
As with may things with UK trains there are always exceptions, while the UK is to broad a term for the area covered by a national railcard due to Northern Island. Grrat Britain is a too restrictive regions as railcards are valid on the Isle of White which is not part of Great Britain. There are also some local railcards valid in much smaller regions.
– skifans
55 mins ago
@skifans "Great Britain" is often taken to be a semi-geographical, semi-political term that includes the main island plus smaller islands which are really politically indistinct from the main island (so the Isle of Wight, Anglesea, etc.)
– Muzer
51 mins ago
There are no UK railcards, the largest area covered by any railcard is Great Britain.
– gerrit
1 hour ago
There are no UK railcards, the largest area covered by any railcard is Great Britain.
– gerrit
1 hour ago
@gerrit So, I found from the FAQ and I mentioned in my text: "not actually even a whole UK railcard".
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@gerrit So, I found from the FAQ and I mentioned in my text: "not actually even a whole UK railcard".
– badjohn
1 hour ago
I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
1
As with may things with UK trains there are always exceptions, while the UK is to broad a term for the area covered by a national railcard due to Northern Island. Grrat Britain is a too restrictive regions as railcards are valid on the Isle of White which is not part of Great Britain. There are also some local railcards valid in much smaller regions.
– skifans
55 mins ago
As with may things with UK trains there are always exceptions, while the UK is to broad a term for the area covered by a national railcard due to Northern Island. Grrat Britain is a too restrictive regions as railcards are valid on the Isle of White which is not part of Great Britain. There are also some local railcards valid in much smaller regions.
– skifans
55 mins ago
@skifans "Great Britain" is often taken to be a semi-geographical, semi-political term that includes the main island plus smaller islands which are really politically indistinct from the main island (so the Isle of Wight, Anglesea, etc.)
– Muzer
51 mins ago
@skifans "Great Britain" is often taken to be a semi-geographical, semi-political term that includes the main island plus smaller islands which are really politically indistinct from the main island (so the Isle of Wight, Anglesea, etc.)
– Muzer
51 mins ago
 |Â
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No, the railcard doesn't carry any benefits outside of the UK.
From the FAQ page you linked in the question:
Which train companies give Railcard discounts?
You can use your Railcard on all franchised train operating companies that provide services within England, Scotland and Wales.
Railcards do not give discounts on Eurostar services, Charter services, and Heritage Railways unless state otherwise.
and
Can I use my Railcard on any Train Company?
Yes. Your Railcard is accepted by all of the Train Companies who operate Passenger Railway Services in Great Britain, except Eurostar. Special excursions and charters are also excluded.
There's no explicit statement that non-UK services aren't included (except those in Ireland), but the FAQs provide a straightforward and reasonably specific description of where the card is valid (and of the services within that region which are excluded), with no mention of any validity outside the UK.
This strikes me as a case where an absence of evidence is very strong evidence of absence. If the cards were accepted by (for example) Deutsche Bahn or other foreign train service providers, this would surely be mentioned in the above FAQs.
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
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Thanks. I did say "more in hope than expectation" but I thought that there might be some chance. E.g. a country that gave old people a discount even if not citizens but needed some evidence.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
@badjohn there may well be countries which do that, but I think it would be hard to classify as a benefit of a railcard if the qualification is only age-based (it sounds like potentially another good question, though). I doubt a railcard would be officially recognised as proof-of-age anyway in such cases (a passport or driving license would probably be required, or national ID card for citizens of countries which have them), although I suppose it's not too hard to image a generous ticket inspector accepting it.
– Chris H
30 mins ago
Probably so but I just had a little hope that there may be some odd reciprocal recognition agreement with some other rail operator. Sometimes these arrangements are not obvious. For example, I visited Warwick Castle a while ago and failed to guess that my English Heritage card would have given me a 50% discount; quite upsetting since it is quite expensive.
– badjohn
27 mins ago
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No, the railcard doesn't carry any benefits outside of the UK.
From the FAQ page you linked in the question:
Which train companies give Railcard discounts?
You can use your Railcard on all franchised train operating companies that provide services within England, Scotland and Wales.
Railcards do not give discounts on Eurostar services, Charter services, and Heritage Railways unless state otherwise.
and
Can I use my Railcard on any Train Company?
Yes. Your Railcard is accepted by all of the Train Companies who operate Passenger Railway Services in Great Britain, except Eurostar. Special excursions and charters are also excluded.
There's no explicit statement that non-UK services aren't included (except those in Ireland), but the FAQs provide a straightforward and reasonably specific description of where the card is valid (and of the services within that region which are excluded), with no mention of any validity outside the UK.
This strikes me as a case where an absence of evidence is very strong evidence of absence. If the cards were accepted by (for example) Deutsche Bahn or other foreign train service providers, this would surely be mentioned in the above FAQs.
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
759112
Thanks. I did say "more in hope than expectation" but I thought that there might be some chance. E.g. a country that gave old people a discount even if not citizens but needed some evidence.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
@badjohn there may well be countries which do that, but I think it would be hard to classify as a benefit of a railcard if the qualification is only age-based (it sounds like potentially another good question, though). I doubt a railcard would be officially recognised as proof-of-age anyway in such cases (a passport or driving license would probably be required, or national ID card for citizens of countries which have them), although I suppose it's not too hard to image a generous ticket inspector accepting it.
– Chris H
30 mins ago
Probably so but I just had a little hope that there may be some odd reciprocal recognition agreement with some other rail operator. Sometimes these arrangements are not obvious. For example, I visited Warwick Castle a while ago and failed to guess that my English Heritage card would have given me a 50% discount; quite upsetting since it is quite expensive.
– badjohn
27 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
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No, the railcard doesn't carry any benefits outside of the UK.
From the FAQ page you linked in the question:
Which train companies give Railcard discounts?
You can use your Railcard on all franchised train operating companies that provide services within England, Scotland and Wales.
Railcards do not give discounts on Eurostar services, Charter services, and Heritage Railways unless state otherwise.
and
Can I use my Railcard on any Train Company?
Yes. Your Railcard is accepted by all of the Train Companies who operate Passenger Railway Services in Great Britain, except Eurostar. Special excursions and charters are also excluded.
There's no explicit statement that non-UK services aren't included (except those in Ireland), but the FAQs provide a straightforward and reasonably specific description of where the card is valid (and of the services within that region which are excluded), with no mention of any validity outside the UK.
This strikes me as a case where an absence of evidence is very strong evidence of absence. If the cards were accepted by (for example) Deutsche Bahn or other foreign train service providers, this would surely be mentioned in the above FAQs.
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
759112
Thanks. I did say "more in hope than expectation" but I thought that there might be some chance. E.g. a country that gave old people a discount even if not citizens but needed some evidence.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
@badjohn there may well be countries which do that, but I think it would be hard to classify as a benefit of a railcard if the qualification is only age-based (it sounds like potentially another good question, though). I doubt a railcard would be officially recognised as proof-of-age anyway in such cases (a passport or driving license would probably be required, or national ID card for citizens of countries which have them), although I suppose it's not too hard to image a generous ticket inspector accepting it.
– Chris H
30 mins ago
Probably so but I just had a little hope that there may be some odd reciprocal recognition agreement with some other rail operator. Sometimes these arrangements are not obvious. For example, I visited Warwick Castle a while ago and failed to guess that my English Heritage card would have given me a 50% discount; quite upsetting since it is quite expensive.
– badjohn
27 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
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up vote
5
down vote
No, the railcard doesn't carry any benefits outside of the UK.
From the FAQ page you linked in the question:
Which train companies give Railcard discounts?
You can use your Railcard on all franchised train operating companies that provide services within England, Scotland and Wales.
Railcards do not give discounts on Eurostar services, Charter services, and Heritage Railways unless state otherwise.
and
Can I use my Railcard on any Train Company?
Yes. Your Railcard is accepted by all of the Train Companies who operate Passenger Railway Services in Great Britain, except Eurostar. Special excursions and charters are also excluded.
There's no explicit statement that non-UK services aren't included (except those in Ireland), but the FAQs provide a straightforward and reasonably specific description of where the card is valid (and of the services within that region which are excluded), with no mention of any validity outside the UK.
This strikes me as a case where an absence of evidence is very strong evidence of absence. If the cards were accepted by (for example) Deutsche Bahn or other foreign train service providers, this would surely be mentioned in the above FAQs.
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
759112
No, the railcard doesn't carry any benefits outside of the UK.
From the FAQ page you linked in the question:
Which train companies give Railcard discounts?
You can use your Railcard on all franchised train operating companies that provide services within England, Scotland and Wales.
Railcards do not give discounts on Eurostar services, Charter services, and Heritage Railways unless state otherwise.
and
Can I use my Railcard on any Train Company?
Yes. Your Railcard is accepted by all of the Train Companies who operate Passenger Railway Services in Great Britain, except Eurostar. Special excursions and charters are also excluded.
There's no explicit statement that non-UK services aren't included (except those in Ireland), but the FAQs provide a straightforward and reasonably specific description of where the card is valid (and of the services within that region which are excluded), with no mention of any validity outside the UK.
This strikes me as a case where an absence of evidence is very strong evidence of absence. If the cards were accepted by (for example) Deutsche Bahn or other foreign train service providers, this would surely be mentioned in the above FAQs.
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
759112
edited 55 mins ago
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
759112
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
759112
answered 1 hour ago
Chris H
759112
759112
Thanks. I did say "more in hope than expectation" but I thought that there might be some chance. E.g. a country that gave old people a discount even if not citizens but needed some evidence.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
@badjohn there may well be countries which do that, but I think it would be hard to classify as a benefit of a railcard if the qualification is only age-based (it sounds like potentially another good question, though). I doubt a railcard would be officially recognised as proof-of-age anyway in such cases (a passport or driving license would probably be required, or national ID card for citizens of countries which have them), although I suppose it's not too hard to image a generous ticket inspector accepting it.
– Chris H
30 mins ago
Probably so but I just had a little hope that there may be some odd reciprocal recognition agreement with some other rail operator. Sometimes these arrangements are not obvious. For example, I visited Warwick Castle a while ago and failed to guess that my English Heritage card would have given me a 50% discount; quite upsetting since it is quite expensive.
– badjohn
27 mins ago
add a comment |Â
Thanks. I did say "more in hope than expectation" but I thought that there might be some chance. E.g. a country that gave old people a discount even if not citizens but needed some evidence.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
@badjohn there may well be countries which do that, but I think it would be hard to classify as a benefit of a railcard if the qualification is only age-based (it sounds like potentially another good question, though). I doubt a railcard would be officially recognised as proof-of-age anyway in such cases (a passport or driving license would probably be required, or national ID card for citizens of countries which have them), although I suppose it's not too hard to image a generous ticket inspector accepting it.
– Chris H
30 mins ago
Probably so but I just had a little hope that there may be some odd reciprocal recognition agreement with some other rail operator. Sometimes these arrangements are not obvious. For example, I visited Warwick Castle a while ago and failed to guess that my English Heritage card would have given me a 50% discount; quite upsetting since it is quite expensive.
– badjohn
27 mins ago
Thanks. I did say "more in hope than expectation" but I thought that there might be some chance. E.g. a country that gave old people a discount even if not citizens but needed some evidence.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Thanks. I did say "more in hope than expectation" but I thought that there might be some chance. E.g. a country that gave old people a discount even if not citizens but needed some evidence.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
@badjohn there may well be countries which do that, but I think it would be hard to classify as a benefit of a railcard if the qualification is only age-based (it sounds like potentially another good question, though). I doubt a railcard would be officially recognised as proof-of-age anyway in such cases (a passport or driving license would probably be required, or national ID card for citizens of countries which have them), although I suppose it's not too hard to image a generous ticket inspector accepting it.
– Chris H
30 mins ago
@badjohn there may well be countries which do that, but I think it would be hard to classify as a benefit of a railcard if the qualification is only age-based (it sounds like potentially another good question, though). I doubt a railcard would be officially recognised as proof-of-age anyway in such cases (a passport or driving license would probably be required, or national ID card for citizens of countries which have them), although I suppose it's not too hard to image a generous ticket inspector accepting it.
– Chris H
30 mins ago
Probably so but I just had a little hope that there may be some odd reciprocal recognition agreement with some other rail operator. Sometimes these arrangements are not obvious. For example, I visited Warwick Castle a while ago and failed to guess that my English Heritage card would have given me a 50% discount; quite upsetting since it is quite expensive.
– badjohn
27 mins ago
Probably so but I just had a little hope that there may be some odd reciprocal recognition agreement with some other rail operator. Sometimes these arrangements are not obvious. For example, I visited Warwick Castle a while ago and failed to guess that my English Heritage card would have given me a 50% discount; quite upsetting since it is quite expensive.
– badjohn
27 mins ago
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There are no UK railcards, the largest area covered by any railcard is Great Britain.
– gerrit
1 hour ago
@gerrit So, I found from the FAQ and I mentioned in my text: "not actually even a whole UK railcard".
– badjohn
1 hour ago
I ask with a little hope because some England / GB / UK cards have some value beyond their primary territory e.g. National Trust and English Heritage.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
As with may things with UK trains there are always exceptions, while the UK is to broad a term for the area covered by a national railcard due to Northern Island. Grrat Britain is a too restrictive regions as railcards are valid on the Isle of White which is not part of Great Britain. There are also some local railcards valid in much smaller regions.
– skifans
55 mins ago
@skifans "Great Britain" is often taken to be a semi-geographical, semi-political term that includes the main island plus smaller islands which are really politically indistinct from the main island (so the Isle of Wight, Anglesea, etc.)
– Muzer
51 mins ago